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Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles

Does it need to be?

I bet none of the programs I use everyday on my ubuntu desktop is optimized for many cores (apart maybe from gimp) but I can really see a difference between the 6 core Phenom 3.3Ghz over my old P4 2.8 and even over my core 2 duo 2.8 laptop.

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1160145)

Yes to the first one. This isn't a yes or no answer but I think the point is that it's very much possible if it were allowed to be since Meego like Android is POSIX compliant and already supports pthreads.

So Harmattan is optimized for multiple core and they didn't use it but still charged as much as other multiple core phones?

It's optimized for OMAP3. That I knew. Are you saying it's optimized for multiple-core? Not at the kernel level. I mean fully through. So if it were (legally) port it to the SGS Exynos dual-core platform (I know, impossible, but ****... you people are saying it's multiple-core optimized. Want me to play your game, play mine...) and Harmattan will scream, right?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1160151)

So Harmattan is optimized for multiple core and they didn't use it but still charged as much as other multiple core phones?

What do you mean with optimized for "multiple cores"?
How software is optimized depends on the developer

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Originally Posted by gosh (Post 1160155)

What do you mean with optimized for "multiple cores"?
How software is optimized depends on the developer

Ok. Here's the deal.

Nokia N9. I have one, love it. This conversation is dragging on to the point where I want to abandon it. So let's just clarify something since it's gotten way out of hand and has encroached the point of it being a situation where one of us is going to lose our cool.

The OMAP3 CPU in the N9 is not multiple core.
Linux is multiple-core ready.
Harmattan does indeed have threads.
Nokia N9 does not have a multiple-core CPU (see #1)
Nokia has not paired Harmattan with a multiple-core chipset to our knowledge - could have happened behind closed doors (speculation)
Since we have not seen #5, it's all speculation (fact)
The above all just means one thing, until we see it, we're speculating... it needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1160163)

Ok. Here's the deal.

Nokia N9. I have one, love it. This conversation is dragging on to the point where I want to abandon it. [...]

not sure what you are referring to
(that's the kind of "details" that make a discussion on a forum so... painstaking) :rolleyes:
i hope it is later, but in case it is former, i may be interested ;)

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles

gerbick,
No one cares... If you like your N9 great, if you don't, great. Please stop arguing a mute point and wasting bandwidth on our normally productive and helpful forum. Asking questions that clearly no one outside of Nokia has answers to doesn't help.

Edit: just saw your post, yes please abandon this circular argument.

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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1159706)

Nice to see another Ashens fan here :) If you haven't already I would recommend seeing the Pandora review.

Anyhoo, back on topic

Since this thread is far from topic...
Found ashens on pure luck, was funny so I thought I'd share. iPhone 5G review was even funnier with extendable aerial antenna. One other review (for pandora-based gamepad) was quite pro-pandora in terms of connectivity/battery/reliability... so will check it out. iPhone-owning reviewer definitely, but seems reasonable and funny at times

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1160169)

gerbick,
No one cares... [...]

tsk tsk tsk
if you don't care, why are you pursuing the argument?
let the man have his opinion... AND RESPECT THAT

Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1160151)

Not sure why you or I should lose our cool over a normal discussion. Perhaps I don't understand what you are trying to say and you are becoming frustrated.

I don't get what you are trying to imply with the cost but I thought the use of OMAP3 was to save money on Hardware/SoC integration yet it still cost the same. That's not an OS issue more hardware design and drivers. Yeah Harmattan if porting was possible will perform better on a OMAP 4 dual core, especially since it also has true multitasking. Meego has been ported to OMAP 4 boards already since 2010 (PandaBoard) so I'm not sure why Harmattan will not benefit, it's the kernel and drivers which make the difference because apps have low level access anyway don't they?

Anyway, if I'm not getting your point then I apologize in advance and perhaps it's best to abandon it in that case.

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I'm not frustrated - I think others in the thread are. Feel free to hit me via PM to avoid derailing this discussion as you can easily see others have spoken.

Take care. No need to apologize my friend.