Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

As I see it, MTP is quite the ideal protocol to do these transfers over USB. Maybe someone could make a port of that to the n810. There is existing code already available. It's a solution that works on linux and windows out of the box. OSX users need to install some additional stuff (as apple tends to only like their own standards).

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

MTP, quite a young standard that one. and one that comes out of microsoft even...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I wouldn't want MTP. On my windows machine, I had to mess around with windows media player installs to get it to work.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

There should be a business quality "E820" too, because not everyone wants a slider or want to take a phone to connect to Internet on the way:

- form factor: like E61 (no slider) + materials and shapes from N810 (metal, aluminium), 14mm thick
- screen size: like E61, maybe a bit larger
- screen resolution: 640x360, multi-touch (to touch if installed in a car and for canola)
- keyboard: like E61 (please no flat keys like on N810 or this crap on N82)
- camera: Zeiss with Flash from N82
- GPS with 10hz resolution
- 2x Acceleration sensor
- working 3D chipset + playing HQ videos
- GSM + HSDPA (to take calls too!)
- maybe WiMax (but I think WiMax sucks...)
- 1x Full-SDHC, 16GB onboard
- car mounting kit wich doesn't scratch the device
- ;) carman + canola2 + claws-mail integrated ;)

Edit:
> - camera: Zeiss with Flash from N82

of course, including the open/close mechanism for the lense ;)

And:
- Video out (like on N82)
- hardware bus to play full resolution Video recorded with the digicam
- as screen size is 4:3 like E61, it could be 640x480 too of course ;) (but 640x360 should be enough. I think most of us can life with 480x320 like on iPhone /BB-Bold too)
- rubberish or leather battery lid (to avoid scratches, it looks awful on metal, but acceptable on a rubber/leather surface)

Imagine the case of N810 (a bit smaller) with the front surface (especially the keyboard) of E61, Naviwheel instead of a joystick, VGA cam for Skype Video at the front and the back surface with the cam module from N82.

Nokia, do you hear me? This device with a stable system (maybe dual boot Symbian and Maemo) will blast everything away what's on the market now (and the next few months) if you release on xmas 2008.

For the Internettablet users, which needs a bigger device, a N900 with higher specs must be released too! But personally, I don't need it if I'm away. I'm happy with the multimedia/navigation/phone features of N82, with the keyboard of E61 (for shell + ssh) and with Linux in a pocket. I think and hope, most of the users will be happy with an "E820" too ;)

This thread looks like it can only be one N900 device which fits all. But as every user is different I think this is impossible and it should be two (or maybe three) devices...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

A VTC is a video teleconference. I've tried only two-party VTCs. I don't know how the N800 works with multiple parties.

With the N800, we're so close to Dick Tracy's two-way wrist TV!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

slha89 you do realize the N7/8XX have 800x600 screens. Why would we want something with a lower resolution? Also I think Nokia would be smart not to add SIM's to the IT. Not only will it add cost, and/or lock you to a carrier. It would be one huge phone. Seeing people hold iPhone's and Blackberry's to there face look funny enough. Imagine the device we're proposing :D. Though it would be a nice accessory module if it such functionality could snap on the back for people that want the ability.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

800x480 afaik

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Get the N96. Has all this and more (except wimax).

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

faster wireless connection!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

You read my post? Everyone must get a N900 if he wants a N900. And you really read my post? I said, an 'E820' should have the size of an E61. That is acceptable as a phone.
And as I said, 'one device fits all' doesn't work, so it should be at least two or three devices.
Do you really read my post at least on a 800x480 screen? ;)

If I'm away from home I can live with 320x240 if I don't want to take two devices with me. So 640x360 is enough in one device. And that's my phone I take with me.

Nice try to joke and thanks a lot you don't read my posting too or don't respect my idea :mad:

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Many webpages are close to 1000 pixels wide so I wish for a 1024x600 display. Perhaps the same 5" as on the Sharp D4. The trade off is more battery drain (60% more pixels), a slightly higher pixel density (237 versus 228) and the display width increase (20mm). Perhaps some of the width increase can come out of the bezel and/or used for a larger battery. 1024x600 also has the advantage that half size full size HD video - 1920x1080/2=960x540 - fits and take the least cpu to scale.

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Quadband GSM/Triband HSDPA Please! HTC Advantage has it which is huge. Why cant nokia have it in N900 with slightly bigger form factor?

i promise i will ditch my phone because i would rather carry a phone with real browser mainly because i use my phone more for data than voice.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

What I want on the N900

Same physical size or no more than .1 inch increase to depth or height
No cellular GSM, GPRS, EVDO etc
Ability to change resolution from 800x480 to 1024x768 and back as needed
TI OMAP 34xx processor
Upgrade the RAM to 256MB
802.11b,g,n
longer battery life
USB charging - I may not be able to full charge in an hour. But I can at least work for another 20 minutes. That may be all I need. If I am overseas and forgot my charger this would be essential.
broadcom bluetooth with all the add ons
FM Radio
I guess GPS can stay but I don't really care for it
A little more space between the keyboard and screen
Internal MicroSD card slot with a 2GB card installed
full sized SDIO card slot - so we can add various accessories not just RAM
USB port(s) for connecting usb drives/keyboards or computers/laptops
keep the camera at same res for video calls


Adiditional accessories available in stores (some may already exist)
USB to serial
USB to IR
USB to ethernet
USB to Compact flash
Extended batteries
docking station with stereo out, microphone, 2 USB ports, DB15 VGAout


What would really make or break this device is the software. The iphone does not have any really earth shattering hardware. It sells mostly because of the brand and the sofware.

We need better software. ie.
PIMS with ability to sync (offline) to PCs
Top class email, calender, scheduling, task, todo, notes
Loud alarms
vibration on event
full MS Office compatibility
Best browser ever seen
total or almost total finger control
task switching speed
multi tasking
MS Exchange connection
Black berry server connection (if possible)
all the audio/video codecs known to man that can be pre-installed cheaply
full and complete flash, ajax, java, activex etc support


The N900 should be an excellent tool now and still be relevant 2 years from now. Which is why the full sized SDIO and USB are important as well as the 1024 screen resolution. We need to be able to add features onto the device as demands change.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

ouch, my eyes pain @ the thought of having higher res on a similar sized screen. If they can manage such a resolution on a 5in screen that would virtually take up almost all of the face space, I'd bite.

My main gripes with my existing N800 are the cpu speed, memory, and crummy inking experience and hw recog software.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I agree that it is useless for all except those with special eyesite to actually use smaller pixel sized screen (thus squeezing in 1024 of them on the same sized screen), the alternative is a 128% wider screen, which maybe could be done if you moved the buttons off the front.

Perhaps a browser option to render side-by-side webpage frames vertically instead of normally could work without too much confusion (I have my doubts).

The vibrator option idea is an interesting new one. Maybe it could also be used as an interesting game-feedback device too?

The loud alarms reminds me of another problem with current hardware: The headphone level is too low. It should be the same level that the iPod has. Companies often have them turned down to avoid lawsuits from those who lose hearing. The problem is that there is too much variation in headphones out there to be able to limit level to a "safe" level for everybody.

Anyway, notice there is a division between those who want to make the unit bigger (whether they think they are or not by asking for things like "better" keyboards, bigger displays, vibrators, etc) and those that don't. My personal requirement is that it needs to fit in the front pocket of my Blue-Jeans.

Perhaps those wanting a larger device should be looking at a traditional Ultra-portable laptop, which the current breed of those have issues, typically with battery life because they at least have the option of running Windows so therefore they run on power hungery X86 processors instead of amazingly power-frugal ARM based ones. So perhaps someone should make a Linux-only ARM based ultra-portable that is about the size of an Asus EEE-PC, that then has better battery life, but then runs Open Office for MS-Office compatibility. Note that this "someone" could be Nokia if they want to enter that market, but my vote is NOT to make the N900 into one of these products.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Guess I got special eyesight, then. You don't want to be able to resolve individual pixels; that impairs anti-aliasing.

As for how things render, there are settings that can be tweaked to yield the same size text by default, but the really small text, fine details, etc. will be clear.

I'm not sure which you're comparing against, but I'd like the same size device as the N800, with a definitely high-res, and if possible slightly larger, screen, with the d-pad on the left and some other buttons on the right.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

...much bigger than what they already are and you have an eeepc; what then would be the point?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

jeebus 1024 fullscreen on these things would be unreadable...?

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dbec10, what you are looking for sounds something Sony would make and charge $2000 for. Full MS Office suite? Who in god's name needs such a thing from a pocketable internet tablet? AV out, docking station... what in the wide world of sports... I need to be able to afford this next gen tablet!

And "total finger control".... full stop with this repetitive drivel pleeeeeze.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

iphone


:p

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Well, at least that's more concise than "total finger control". (And sounds less like what folks with Parkinson's lack.)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

By MS office compatibility I was really only referring to Word, Excel and powerpoint. Basically what Documents to go does for Palm. Nothing more.

And the docking station is an optional accessory. ie it does not come with the tablet.

This would appeal to persons who travel with the tablet and would like to have better functionality at a location. Say... home in the den, temporary office, board room presentation, conference, back porch. etc. A place where they can have almost ful PC type functionality without lugging the PC or sub notebook.

The 1024 x768 resolution would come in here with a 15 or 17 inch LCD or projector connected to the docking station.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I even had a great idea for an add. Of course based on my N900 requirements.

Mods.. you can move this if you want.

Picture a board room with a couple execs around a table some with laptops, some with journals and portfolios. One of them comes into the meeting and passes behind the company techy who is busy playing a game on his Nokia N900.

The meeting starts and the execs present their budgets or whatever. The techy guy is called to make his presentation and the guy that came in makes a joke that the techy guy is playing on his toy. So give him a minute to collect his thoughts.

Other members are smiling and nodding as the techy guy gets up; goes to the front of the room and docks his N900 with the docking station I spoke about . He connects the projector and...

Silence fills the room....

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Why can't the techy guy just use a laptop like everybody else? cripes the new HP Pavilion tablet would be a much better choice for a techie guy in a boardroom, than an Nseries tablet. Would probably impress people more, too.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1211587729489

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

For starters he may not be able to play games and make the full presentation before his battery ran out.

It cost him 3 times as much and he can't put it in his pocket on his way to the bathroom.

Not making fun of you. But the reality is that we buy these tablets because they are small, battery runs long and they are cheap.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Because Nokia isn't trying to sell HP laptops? (Disclaimer: I recently got a tx2000, and I'm loving everything about it but the battery life and Vista.)

Honestly, the reason would be because he doesn't want to carry a laptop everywhere he goes; if the N900 will do the presentation (and the N800 already will, if it's fixed slides) why tote the big iron for that, when the device you already carry everywhere is adequate?

My laptop is dandy, but I only carry it when I anticipate needing it. While it's a joy to use, the bag is heavy, and it's a hassle getting it out and powering it up (Vista :mad:), so it really sees a lot less use than it would if I had no N800.

Edit: Heh. Ninjaed.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Another feature I thought about was a mode button.

You press it once and it cycles through a range of settings.
Like presentation mode. - lowest CPU speed, screen saver off, WIFI, bluetooth, alarms off
Silent mode - vibrate on, alarms low, screen off?
travel mode - GPS on, WIFI off, alarms, bluetooth on
Entertainment mode - equilizer on, WIFI on?, bluetooth off, screen brightness low, alarms popup but do not beep, GPS off

etc.. just a thought, may not be practical but it would save us having to do some/all of those settings when the time came. It would be like profiles on Nokia phones.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

We also buy them as leisure devices, not productivity tools. Why is everyone so fixated on making these things into micro versions of laptop?

I'm sure that if battery power in a boardroom is an issue, tech guy easily locate an outlet to plug into... as far as putting my presentations in my pocket... hasn't really been a concern now in 20 years in the business world. I doubt that pocketable presentations is really "make or break" in the boardroom.

Would make a cool commercial, though... but much like commercials with scenes of BMW's whipping through curvy canyons - not much in common with the real world.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'd just say more options in the power-key menu; you can use the d-pad to select those pretty covertly and quickly. Different power-key semantics could also apply (we already can enable semi-broken softpoweroff by double-press/long-press, so it could be adapted for that), but I like the menu better.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Heh heh.

Like maybe when you give presentations in the boardroom? LOL

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

My N800 is a micro version of a laptop, already.
The plugin is one more reason not to do the laptop; you can't just bring a laptop, you gotta bring a charger, and make sure your chair's in reach of a plug, etc.

Still, I'm sure nobody's going to buy them on that justification, but I would do that with the tablet I bought for leisure/light work reasons. (I've done nearly that, although in a classroom, not a boardroom... doodled some equations in xournal and showed them using the document camera and projector, not having VGA output at that time.)

:D Indeed.

EDIT:
Man, I set myself up for that... :D But I hope you get my point: I'm an insufferable gadget geek, and if I can do weird stuff with my pocket laptop, I will! ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It is not, and comments like this are what lead to so many "frustration" post by newbies here. These are NOT mini laptops, they just aren't, and were never designed to be. They are certainly capable machines but they have serious limitations when comparing them to laptops.


So, better battery technology is the issue? Seriously, I've never been in a meeting room in the last 5 years or so that everyone wasn't plugged in with their laptops. I think this battery thing is a non issue in the context we are discussing. Long battery life is great when you are out and about, not so much an issue when you are in the office environment.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It's a general purpose computer. It runs arbitrary apps. It has a near laptop-resolution screen. It even (sometimes) runs a full desktop OS (Debian). They arguably aren't intended as laptops, but with a little hacking, they most definitely are laptops. For tech users that can do the hacking, of course, not for everyone who picks one up.

Not better batteries, less power-hungry CPUs for doing tiny little tasks like pushing images out a video port. In powersaver profile, and doing only light web browsing, I can't make 3 hours, and I've got the extended battery. It's quite possible to exhaust it in a 2-hour meeting, while the N800 (and presumably N900) you just can't drain it that hard. So, yes, all the laptops are plugged in, but if your N900 (that you're carrying anyway) will do everything you need to do, that's one more hassle of life you can skip right on past.


Still, I think we're not likely to convince each other, so do feel free to reply to anything in this that's worthy of comment, but I'll likely be letting it go after that. ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Well, for me it's a laptop. They may have certain disadvantages compared to laptops, but they also have many advantages. Including things like pocketability. ;) I guess it boils down more to what it's able to do rather than how quickly it does it. I don't have any trouble doing pretty much all of the things I'd do with a laptop, they're just not done as quickly as with a proper laptop.

I pretty much do all the same things on my tablet that I do on my desktop. It's definitely alleviated any desire I might have ever had for a laptop

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

You mean like Nokia already does with their Symbian phones? ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'm not going to argue beyond this point, but... the fact that an internet tablet does everything YOU need a laptop to do, doesn't make them 'laptops'. The reality of the situation is that they can't perform most of what business people actually use laptops for. To argue otherwise is ... just silly.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

sorted by prefference:

1st - HARDWARE VIDEO AND AUDIO CODECS SUPPORT!!! This device CAN run DVDs even with full sized XviD/DivXs... And it MUST.
2nd - VIDEO INPUT AND OUTPUT!!!!!
3d - LARGE battery - at least twice larger but better with 4..5 Ah
4th - working driver for WinNT to easily set up PAN over BT or LAN over USB - without any more clicks just Plug-&-Play
5th - two full size SD card instead of one mini-SD - but with same size of the entire device as N810 has
6th - rotation weel at left to easily scroll texts
7th - give us radio back!
8th - joystick near the screen, but not on keyboard - then keyboard can be larger and more useful
9th - more durable case (look at iAudio COWON A2, A3 - if you will drop it it will just jump, but if you will drop N810 it will be the end...)
10th - second camera at back - to allow video shots and Net sharing
11th - 3D acceleration and Compiz/Beryl-like interface using it

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

That's a nice wishlist, but "realistically" is in the thread title.

I can see no way to sustain the N810's form factor while cramming all that extra stuff in.

Regarding durability, though... Is the N810 really that bad? I've dropped my N800 at least 3 feet onto concrete while walking, and it's just fine. I'd thought the N810 was of similar durability...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Just my 2 cents comments ...

It already do it ...

lol

Useless, dpad is more usefull ... this stupid rotation weel never work past 2 month of usage ...

Useless too ...

lol. ... so a larger size ... or a lesser sized screen ... this is suffisant ... mine is already down severall time without any dammages.

This is not a cam recorder ...

The joystick is great here ... the only things to add to keyboard is tab ...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

My only fear in all of this is that the N900 is gonna be way too pricey to grab market share. I'm SO glad I got my N800 before they became rare, because there's no way I'd be shelling out $500+ for the next IT. Now that the N810 is showing up at $299, it's at the point where I might have considered it. But if the next IT is priced where I think it will be, it won't even be something I envy.

Bottom line: What do I realistically want in the next IT? A realistic price.