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can i run the log me in app on this guys - please let me know

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hey, i promised you my first born, not cash. just kidding. check your account for a tiny contribution in hopes you'll keep making the n900 THE device. reference: 03L1767822007845C

thank you once again qole!

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What a wonderfully pleasant surprise. Thank you! That's the third donation I've received for Easy Debian.

Did the Ctrl-dot window moving trick work for you?

I tried some portrait mode experiments, but they didn't work out so well. Things don't resize properly and the touchscreen goes out of calibration. (I think it is the two layers of X-servers...)

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the default config is messing up with the current install from extras, the image pointer is set to a filename (outdated aswell I guess) and not to MyDocs/debian*.img* or mmc1/debian*...
had to write it into .chroot by hand to get it working from sd card.

Nice work btw (found no further bugs yet)

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chemist:

Thanks for the report!

I just checked. My package still has all the images commented out in the default .chroot file. But my package does not overwrite your existing .chroot file, so if your existing file points to an outdated package, you will have to modify it manually...

I wish Maemo had some kind of functionality that would ask if you want to overwrite or keep your config files, like in Debian.

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I tested the versions of easy-deb and easy-deb-chroot in Extras-Testing and everything works fine for me.

The config files in .config/lxde are just overwritten, which I guess is OK, since only those following this thread will have figured out how to change the appearance of LXDE anyway.

The .xbindkeysrc file was not overwritten, and .xbindkeysrc.dist provided instead, which is how I like it to be, but in .xbindkeysrc.dist the first two lines seem to have slipped in by accident. This file starts with the lines
Btw, there is indeed a slight typo in your bugtracker link: Instead of "http://..." it reads "xsbc-bugtracker: http://..." and does not open in my browser when I click it. The URL however is correct. [EDIT: Just saw that you are aware of the problem.]

Thanks again for your good work, and I think I owe you a donation as well - once I've finally donated to Haiti, you are the second on my list!

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rebhana:

I can confirm the "Mounting... Using ext2 file system" in the .xbindkeysrc file. The two extra lines don't seem to break xbindkeys, so that's good news. I've fixed it for later versions.

The bugtracker link is NOT broken. Seriously. Where are you (and others) seeing the broken link? On the package instance page (where, for me, it is correct)? Or on the overview page, where it is indeed broken, because it is inherited from an old version of the package?

UPDATE: Now it appears to be fixed on the overview page as well. I wonder if it randomly pulls info from whatever package each time it rebuilds the web page???

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On http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...6-1fremantle1/ but as I now found, not always. Every other reload it's broken, then it's OK again, as I now commented over there. EDIT: Did it a few more times - it really oscillates! :eek: EDIT2: and now it stopped, fortunately in the correct state.

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sounds like a proxy / caching problem to me. (not necessary on your part, could be a transparent proxy or smth like that).

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Seems to be really a bug in the packages pages - as qole noted over there: http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...6-1fremantle1/

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Hi guys.

I have install Debian and work just great!

I do have only one issue with the keyboard...my phone is Italian (so Italian keyboard...)

So I have did this:

Closed Debian
Opened Debian chroot
then typed "dpkg-reconfigure locales"

and when the list come up I have choose the file " it_IT ISO-8859-1"

after that another list pop up and I have tried with "none" (and after I have tried with "en_CA.UTF-8")

closed chroot
opened Debian again but the keyboard does not work property..

Anyone can help me out with this?

Thanks in advance

Nico

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I solve the problem, work 100% fine with N900 -> it keyboard!

Is awesome really!
Thanks a million time!

I did this instead:

add the following line to /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart in your Debian chroot:

@setxkbmap de

I was doing that from the terminal in Debian so I was not able to save the file...
So I have tried from the app Debian chroot (edited the file with leafpad) and worked right away.

thanks for everything!
(great package, great wiky, great website, etc etc)


Nico

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Really?? after over 5000 Thank-yous? That diminishes my confidence in the community somewhat I must say.
So who was the first? ;)

Slightly more on-topic, did anyone get VLC running correctly yet? Using the 3b image, and Squeeze repositories (without doing a full update), it works, with sound, but the colors are wrong (people have blue faces). I did find some Debian users that reported the same bug, but there was no solution given. At least none that I could understand.

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To slightly increase confidence in the community and to set an example, I donated a token amount to qole.org, namely about the amount I had paid for a Nokia leather case to protect my beloved N900, which has become much more valuable thanks to qole!

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I'm just curious: you did setxkbmap de and it gave you an Italian keyboard? Or did you set it to "it"?

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Eh eh eh...

You are right...

I set it for "it", not for "de".

I copy that from the Wiki page, that's why.

I don't really think it and de are the same...

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Bit of a newbie question from me. Which image file do I download from qole's website? Searched through this thread and there's a few of them, even a few Ubuntu ones. >.>

I'm mainly interested in getting OpenOffice up and running before my Spring Break ends. Also, are things like the keyboard still not working (based on the first post). Since a post from nicorumiz indicates that he got the hardware keyboard working.

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You can actually install everything from the phone (download included) by using the app

"Deb Img Install"

The keyboard work great. My phone have one Italian keyboard so I had to change the settings.

If your phone is US will work right away.

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I'm using qole's v3b, which is Debian 5.0 with OpenOffice 3.1. The Ubuntu images are attempts to get OO 3.2 running for armel.
Keyboard works fine for me, just for special characters not on the hardware kbd one has to tweak it with either xmodmap or xbindkeys.

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As much as I appreciate the donations, the last people who I expect to donate money are the hard-working beta-testers doing so much of the heavy lifting for me finding bugs and offering solutions...

But I'm noticing in all areas of my life that the Good People who are generous with their time are usually the ones who are also generous with their money, too.

Thanks to rebhana and debernardis for both their time and their donations.

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I do have some issue...
Since I am newbie I think the solution should be simple but I can not figure it out...

- I still have issue with the keyboard, arrow up and arrow down are not working

- look like the OS is half Italian and Half in english and I am getting errors when I try to install additional programs.

The problem with the language (half It and half en) as far as I know is related with the keyboard (I think).

I have tried to select english from the list when I do dpkg-reconfigure locales but whene the generation is colpleted I have the following:

perl: warning: Setting Locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale setting:
LANGUAGE = (unset)
LC_ALL = "it_IT'
LC_PAPER = "it_IT"
here I have a list with different LC_ all set with "it_IT"
LC_NAME = "it_IT"
LANG = C"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Failing back to the standard locale ("C")
perl: warning: Setting Locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale setting:
LANGUAGE = (unset)
LC_ALL = (unset)
LC_PAPER = "it_IT"
here I have a list with different LC_ all set with "it_IT"
LC_NAME = "it_IT"
LANG = C"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Failing back to the standard locale ("C")


The language of the phone itself matters or not?

I can not set Debian in English...

thanks for your time guys.

Nico

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Ok, here what I have found out

(I hope is right)

I have change the language on my phone to EN and I have did again "dpkg-reconfigure locales" with en settings.

The procedure went correctly without errors or messages and now I have the OS completely in EN.

I think that the language on the phone is somehow related with the language on Debian (since they share root is possible I think)

I have installed again Abiword on debian with apt-get and the installation went perfectly fine (before I had errors because of the language).

Now I have only the issue with the arrow UP and DOWN

(ARROW UP = Fn + ARROW LEFT)
(ARROW DOWN = Fn + ARROW RIGHT)

Should I map those keys or they should work?
If yes I'll probably need some help on what to write on the file .xbindkeysrc (this is what I have found on the wiki page)

I really appreciate any comment in this matter.

Nico

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With my German keyboad and system, I have exactly the same issues. Here is what I did, which is not a perfect solution, but I have all I really need:

1. The time zone needed to be set. The correct Debian way is to do "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (in Debian chroot as root) and to select the one you are in.

2. "dpkg-reconfigure locales" with de_DE.UTF-8 leads to the correct German language environment when running Debian as user - though not as root, because root inherits LANG=de_DE (without the UTF) from Maemo. I don't bother however, because applications are to run under user mostly. I also got those warnings when installing new packages, but I found it's safe to just ignore them.

Now with applications started by "debbie" (everything outside LXDE) the German keyboard works, including Fn-Right/Left for Up/Down. Running the "Set Deb HW Keys" app (which is xbindkeys) gives F1-F12 and Ctrl-Space for full screen toggle.

Because some special characters are missing and the soft keyboard not available, I actually modified /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 in Maemo by making umlauts composable by 2 key presses (through dead_diaeresis), which frees some keys I use for extra characters. In Italian you don't have umlauts, so no need to describe it to you. If somebody else is interested, I can post my rx-51 file, which modifies the keyboard under both Maemo and Debian (so I never actually need the Fn-Ctrl combo).

Under LXDE things are different. There I additionally need "setxkbmap de" in the first line of /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart, but then the Up/Down arrows which should be mapped to Fn-Left/Right don't work. (Also omitting the setxkbmap altogether Up/Down is gone.) This is a problem I haven't been able to solve, although I was tweaking the LXDE settings quite a lot (e.g. I use xmodmap to have a new keyboard layout fitted to my needs under LXDE). But under LXDE I have a cursor, so I found that I don't usually need Up/Down - and under debbie, where I'm working mostly, I do have them.

In the v3b image, by the way, /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart includes a hack to have sticky shift and fn keys. I didn't like it in the end, because it also makes Ctrl sticky, and that got quite annoying in practise. Also, with the German keyboard, some key combinations worked only when pressed successively, others when pressed simultaneously. So my /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart now has sticky keys disabled:
@hstende: Have you tried again to get your nordic keyboard working under LXDE? Are you having the same problem with Up/Down then?

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@rebhana it work with "dano" and "nordic" with the same problems as german keyboard. So I use english keyboard inside lxde.

I now try to build openoffice 3.2 on my karmic image based on the source of lucid. I had to map a 3GB usr-partition and my 8gb sdhc-card to get enough space. I tried yesterday and ran out of space. Hopefully it will be finished today.... It has bee building for 15 hours now.....

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@qole: I have a suggestion for the next version of easy-deb-chroot.

Since in applications like openoffice and evince one really does need the extra key bindings from xbindkeys in order to be able to get out of navigator or presentation modes, I would suggest that xbindkeys is already started by default. I'm doing so by including xbindkeys in the application.desktop files, e.g.
and similarly for other debbie applications. I'd suggest to do so with all those shipped by the easy-deb-chroot package.

With openoffice (from v3b) I have in fact encountered one case, where also the function keys don't get me out of a particular mode: If I don't use Ctrl+Space to get full screen in "debbie oowriter", but choose "Full Screen" from the menu "View", the screen becomes grey with horizontal stripes as in a Venetian blind. Superimposed is the Maemos's application bar, which is translucent under which I see a part of openoffice in full screen mode. But in the rest it's this Venetian blind. Now from that mode I cannot get out other than closing the application (which requires several clicks from the task manager). Could that problem have to do with the fact that I have de-installed openoffice.org-gtk during my initial attempts to change themes?

Qole, if by any chance you still have openoffice.org-gtk for armel in version 1:3.1.1-8, would you be so kind to put it on qole.org/files? I could of course start from the pristine v3b image, but that would safe me some work.

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@rebhana:

I have found the sticky function "annoing" too yesterday...the keyboard was working weird and took me a while to find out why...I didn't knew that the sticky function was working under LXDE.

Anyway: I think we have the same issue...
I have tried to run a program under "debbie" (oocalc from Debian chroot) and up and down arrows are working fine.

[I don't know why gnumeric (run from chroot) if I use up and down in stead of moving to the cell up and down the program scroll the entire spreadsheet. (Gnumeric opens in 6 seconds) I guess the problem is because I have installed the program after si it's not a big deal.]

Now this is my question.

If I would like to keep the phone language set in Italian but have Debian in English is it possible?

I have tried to change the timezone and after that the language but as soon as the phone in italian I have all those errors.
I think they don't really matters. Those errors (and errors that I'm getting when I am installing additional programs) are basically related to the messages correct?
So if Debian can not find the message in Italian automatically pick the message in English...correct? This explain why my OS is half Italian and half in English. (if this is how it works is not a problem at all...my OS will be half and half)

I would like to have a confirmation for something else also:
If I run programs under Debbie (oocalc from chroot) with Fn+Ctrl all the additionl keys are not working (touch screen keys). This is normal right? That's why we have to map additional keys correct?

Sorry if my question is "stupid" I hope one day I will be able to return all the favor and help that you are giving me now...

thanks



Nico

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rebhana: I'm sorry, the only way to get OpenOffice packages right now is either by starting with a pristine Easy Debian or by using hstende's or my Ubuntu image.

As for the xbindkeys always starting... Perhaps my next image should have xbindkeys as part of the /var/run/onfirstchroot.rc script?

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qole : maybe you could have a sort of meny in onstart script to ask for keyboard layout?
Another suggestion in this script
cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab inside debian

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@qole: in your next image, I'd suggest to leave the sticky bit commented out - even after closing LXDE it had unexpected effects that many might find weird

For that you should set the LANG and LC_ALL environment variables to en_US, I think.

@qole: where should one set those variables? I tried /etc/bash.bashrc, where you set PS1, but inserting "export LANG=en_US" etc. didn't have any effect. :confused: I still get LANG=de_DE when doing so.

Yes. In fact, Fn+Ctrl does work in deb chroot as long as one is in terminal mode. But it's no longer available within applications started from there.

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That's perhaps more elegant, although xbindkeys is not needed in terminal mode. What about including it in /usr/bin/debbie? Could one then have xbindkeys terminated automatically upon closing debbie applications? I'm asking because xbindkeys binds Ctrl+Space, which under Maemo has the function of changing input language. On second thought, I guess one wouldn't want to kill xbindkeys in one debbie application while another might still be running.

No problem, I had only this one glitch with OpenOffice after I removed openoffice.org-gtk.
I'll have a look at the Ubuntu images out of curiosity, but otherwise will probably stick to Debian, since my desktop is Debian lenny. Will v3b remain your last Debian image actually?

EDIT: Just tried out your ubuntu-m5-v1.img.ext2. I had expected this was about getting OpenOffice 3.2, but it is still 3.1!? More importantly, LXTerminal does not open with a prompt for me. And finally, I am puzzled why this ubuntu image still gives me [root@deb-m5v3b:] as a shell prompt. This seems to be related to the problem I had above with setting language in /etc/bash.bashrc. Is that file not processed actually? How should one configure the system wide profile in deb-chroot?

EDIT2: After rebooting the N900, the deb chroot terminal has ubuntu in its prompt. Why not before? I had done a close chroot before switching. I'd really like to understand how things are initialized here!

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@hstende: I also tried your Ubuntu image v2. In your image, LXTerminal does come back with a prompt (it didn't with qole's Ubuntu image). You also succeeded only with OO 3.1?

As to sshd in your image: I find it slightly worrying that all users of your image will have the same server key. When I installed ssh in my Debian image, I gave it some thought and then preferred not to have another sshd running, since I can connect anyway by ssh-ing to Maemo and then running debian. And from Debian chroot I can start ssh connection anyway. So my recommendation would be to only install openssh-client under Debian.

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first, sorry folks, I don't exactly where this post should be, but I've been checking/browsing all over the web for 1 hour and still don't have an answer (or even a clue).

I installed Easy Debian on my N900 and everything was beatiful until I accidentally activated the “navigator” view mode in OpenOffice (I have NO IDEA how I did it) and now I can’t get out of it to the “normal” document view (making OO useless).

How do I close the &($#$*()% “Navigator” view?.

PD: feel free to move this post to wherever it belongs...

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You've come to the right place. The solution is further up in this thread: if you run the "Set Deb HW Keys" app provided by the newest easy-deb-chroot package, function keys will be mapped to Shift+Fn+(upper row keys). So you can issue F5 in openoffice which closes Navigator mode.

EDIT: Just tried that out and contrary to what I was remembering, I get a new window when choosing Navigator mode, which I can just close.

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Yes, this is how work for me too.

Which is fine, I just have to add few keys for programs that I run with debbie (for example "=" when I use spreadsheet etc etc)


Anyone tried to install exiftool for fotoxx successfully?

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@rebahana good point about ssh. I guess I'll have to find a way to generate the keys at first-run.

I try to compile openoffice3.2 for karmic to put in my image. It has been compiling for 50 hours on my n900 now... hopefully it will finish soon. lxterminal worked fine for me, but I didn't install roxterm in my image.

@nicorumiz I installed that package on my ubuntu image. If I remember right it was arhcitecture-independent package.

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To folks experimenting with Ubuntu root images - is this about Karmic or Lucid ? I hear ARM Lucid is ARMv7+Thumb2 which could be fairly interesting...

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attila77: trying to upgrade to Ubuntu Lucid from Ubuntu Karmic trashes my disk image every time. It actually corrupts the image. But the OpenOffice 3.2 doesn't seem to be any faster than 3.1... Or if it is, it isn't so much faster that I must have it.

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@hstende

ok thanks. I'm not really familiar with Linux but I'll try. Should work with the debian image as well.

Nico

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I think I did it...

apt-get install libimage-exiftool-perl

and look like work just fine :-)

is this the right procedure?

Nico

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Hi, and I don't know if this is an out of the topic ... but I'm managing the JDownloader with easydebian, and there's no way to get the right click. Everything is very slow (although with patience, it works) so perhaps this is the problem.

However, I need to ask, is there any shortcut with the keyboard (the physical or the virtual) to get this done??

By the way, my physical keyboard (spanish), although it has the "es" in the etc file, is mapped with the english keys.

Thanxs :)