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Wait... did you just condemn trolling only to troll yourself?

Dude.

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Probably depends on "which side" (east or west), f.e. Munich is Apple territory anyway but nobody could drag me to work there again. Terrible snubby city, almost like shitty Miami. As a native German plus still living there, i know plenty of people still using Nokias. And the chicks that got HTCs and S2s do nearly only Facebook and WhatsApp etc., so enough potential wasted. But they got them mostly because they are everywhere (promoted) so they don't actually have to think about what to get, and because they like those stupid oversized touch glass screens that are ideal for getting RSIs.

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This is EXACTLY the question Nokia should be asking.

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Here in Northern Germany most people use Android phones, iphones are second. Nokia used to be the leader until N95 times, but after N97 debacle they lost most supporters.
Most people I talk to would never buy a WP here. The city was plastered with Lumia placards recently, but I know only one person who bought one and she desperately but unsuccessfully tries to sell it...

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I have to confess. I did troll, but never got a good answer :)

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You're just a Taliban terrorist.

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Hehehehehe.......Even Europeans think that Nokia sells Taliban phones

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WTF is that supposed to mean?

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I've been confused ever since the word Taliban has been tossed around as if it means something hilarious. Inside joke perhaps?

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Probably "Taliban phone" as in "gets only bought by people originating from Asia Minor/Middle East/Arabic Peninsula" or "cheap phones mainly used in developing countries". Nature knows why such a dim-wit... never mind.

But why the people living in the oh-so-developed (=stagnated) countries flock to luxury toddler toys (IPhones) is a mystery to me too. :cool:

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Oh great. So that means WP7 will invariably be compared to something only Americans buy... the SUV-phone or cheeseburger-phone.

Diabetes phone?

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Taliban phones=old, extinct, dinosaur, not used elsewhere, not advanced, laggy, stuttering, not smooth.

But can be durable!

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You quoted before i spell-checked. Now i'm gonna look bad.

SUV-Phone would be something like the XPphone 2 ;)

EDIT: when i hear "laggy", i always imagine something like "lecki lecki"... probably only Germans will know why this is funny. :cool:

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I think Lumiaman called Nokia Symbian/Meego users Taliban. Not sure where it came from, I may be wrong but I think it may have arisen from some racist undertone and the fact that Symbian/meego Nokia users are multicultural and from all over the world. He seems to have a problem with that. I think this was the original post from him that mentioned anything outside the US as Taliban.

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Why do you associate a terrorist organization with it then?
Why not dinosaur phones?

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The only joke appears to be on the the troll that invented the term as it's a clear reflection of his intellect.

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Can somebody explain to me, since all of you seem to love old NOKIA phones: why does Europe dig iphone and android and not Symbian?

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As Steve Blowjobs would say: Marketing is everything.


(There are still enough people that just "want to call and text" and hold onto their old phones with two week-standby times. Why not...)

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Not true. Marketing will enhance a good product. If you got crap product, no amount of marketing will help

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Case in point, WP.

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Case in point: Miller / Coors / Bud.

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man, thats too deep, looooool


can i give ur thanks double? :D

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Just ignore the guy. I only post factual information about WP which contradict his points, just to wind him up. Europe is actually one of nokias strong territories and iPhones weaker one. Nokia is a lot stronger in Europe than the Middle east yet he thinks it's a "Taliban" phone because it doesn't sell in the US.

http://www.techinasia.com/techinasia...-filing-03.jpg

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Flawless victory :cool:

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One thing Apple did right was capitalize on stupid moves by other companies. I was running Skype video on my E75 and E72 way before Apple "invented" video calls on mobile phones.

Only Skype screwed Fring over (maybe Apple tossed them some investment cash, who knows?) and suddenly Symbian no longer had Skype video and then "Apple had it first!"

Marketing and shady back room deals...

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Lumia still doing well over on Amazon. Remember, no unlocked Lumias available yet, only with plan. Sort of like iphone deal. If you combine black and cyan, it is likely close to first place:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-C..._nav_cps_1_cps

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Lumiaman, I mean this as friendly advice. You really need to lay off the Lumia propaganda, why do you do it?
Everthing you post doesn't make any sense.

You post a list of service plan only bestsellers then suggest that it's disadvantaged because it's only on a service plan. Does this make sense to you?

You say that if you combine colours it would be first place yet have no evidence of it, you also overlook the fact that the Black Galaxy SII is above the black Lumia 900 and the White Galaxy SII is above the Cyan Lumia 900. Does that mathematically make sense to you?

I understand that you are out to try and promote Lumias but stop and think for a second, why you are doing it and whether your idea to promote it overtakes your common sense. I mean this as friendly advice.

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It was a new, simpler way to do things that people were already doing. Marketing was part of it, but it was the streamlined UI/UX that appealed to most. It's more streamlined than Symbian at that time.

Underneath it all, Apple had been laying the groundwork for a one-stop shop for music, video and other media as well as it was a place where you could seamlessly and quickly add/remove stuff from your phone.

Simply stated, CTRL+C and CTRL+V (or even drag and drop sometimes) for some folks was too much for an USB mass storage device for some folks. Apple had found a way to lower the entry level for "smartphones" (loosely applied here) from savvy to just "if you have this much in your pocket, congrats... you're a smartphone owner - Apple"

I think it's more of a phenomena that iOS is catching on in Japan. What they call usable is quite different than say Europe and/or North America. But the simplification for something that is supposed to be a convergence of media, contacts, phone calls, gaming, et al and as it stands, iPhone was doing it in a simpler manner than most. Did others do it even more simple, yes they did.

But marketing said Apple's efforts were simpler and people believed it "just worked". There are a ton of other factors, but a streamlined, uniform UI/UX was what got the ball rolling, but the media, software, OS and other parts all contributed to that success - distribution also had to be in place, Nokia dismantled their distribution (online stores gone, stores in the North American market gone... I have to buy via Amazon or some other 3rd party). And ultimately... Apple walked in to the carriers and successfully made them deal with them on their terms. Nokia was not successful at this outside of Europe.

That's my take. Feel free to dissect, but each point above is where Nokia is failing or have failed.

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I'd say that Levi's would be a study on marketing hype. Nothing special about the 501 jeans... but the hype surrounding it made each and every person in Europe that knew when I was coming there to request for a pair or three on my trips from the US.

The marketing hype made people do illegal stuff to get a pair.

Meanwhile, Miller/Coors/Bud... even Americans know those are crap beers. I don't drink those beers even when they're on sale. I don't damn sure drink them when I go to Europe - better exists for cheaper.

But the counter to that, Heineken. In the states, it's seen as a beer with prestige. It's not... it's a cheap beer in Holland and many better options exist. In the states, it costs quite a bit much more and folks equate that to something special.

In terms of gadgets though... Nokia has always been too expensive in the US and N-series has had very little distribution.

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All of the above but just a little more...

It is true that many of us Europeans prefer the simplicity of the iphone and android devices these days. People will always be attracted to the latest and greatest mobile handsets but they are often used as a way to be with the "me too" crowd for bragging rights. (and I mean that in the nicest possible way)

However nearly every European also has a Nokia device that we can't seem to part with. Granted that many of them will be older handsets now and stuffed away in their junk draw, but they are loved. These phones are generally seen as their reliable "back up" phones and if you were to ask them what was the best phone they ever owned? They would still point to that device and follow it up with an anecdote of how "from all of the phones they have owned, their aging indestructible Nokia that still works today even after they dropped it down the toilet and drove over it too, is still the best phone to date".

Now I accept that what I have said is a huge generalisation but as a European who has ever spoken about old phones to friends colleagues and wider social circles, I have heard similar stories over and over again.

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Urgs... Heineken is pure bliss. Sorry, i meant piss. But every beer in the states costs more. I don't have to throw 10 bucks to the cashier for a six-pack in DE (and don't have to present an (IN-STATE!) ID, but that's a different issue).

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Wallmart-phone? :D:D:D

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did i say they are in first place? I said close. Reread my post before misinterpreting what i said. You don't make any sense.

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you have no sense, at all, lumish*t

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i would like to add to what Gerbick said that iPhone did provide a unique experience with, at the time, beautiful interface. Nothing came close to it at the time. I remember Nokia executives dreading about the implications, yet choosing not to attack, but deliver Taliban devices.

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The Germans I met, waving their.iPhones, dismissed Nokia as a lost Dinosaur. No one cares there about Nokia phones. Its become a.class issue in europe. Well to do have iPhones, and not so well to do have Nokia's.

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You still didn't say WHERE. I bet you went only to the "westside". And btw: enough businesses still issue Nokia Symbian-based phones, amongst BB's. Why? If you need a _reliable workhorse_ for being able to CALL.

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You must be the biggest troll of all. This is actually worse than Ahonen. At least Ahonen is a raving lunatic, and does not pretend to be anything else, but this "article" is pure nonsense. I could easily purchase the cheapest Android phone running gingerbread I found and started arguing that ICS does not exist, and never will, because this phone does not run ICS. And then I should end it saying Android is doomed.

I don't like Win8 either, but please!!!

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The chance that you've met many Germans is zilch.
I have partners in Germany (2 locations), Poland, France and Switzerland with roughly 100 employees total and not one iPhone. Oh, I actually go there just like China (6-12 times per year to Asia). Did I mention that out of 20+ employees in China not one has an iPhone? Nokia dominates with Android second and domestic phones third (advantageous as most can accomodate 2 SIMs).

Lumiaman, you are just a troll. Some fatass, Big Mac-eating embarrassment for whom US folks who travel often have to apologize.

Can't someone ban a poster who never does anything but troll?

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In Germany, we have many guys with iPhones, but many more with Android (the latter is 95 % of my friend circle). And almost all of them say: "Nokia? Wasn't it bankrupt and bought by Microsoft?" and similar jokes... Having a N9 is feeling lonely here...