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also option to enable fm transmitter straight from instinctiv? would be great for use in the car

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Oh is that how the final version is gonna look like ?
If so... WOW simply fantastic, It makes the current one look like crap, and up until a few minutes ago i thought that one looked amazing,

Can't wait till you're finished, great work instinctiv team!!!

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Everything look good except something i don't like:

1. The color of the bottom portion shouldn't be black. Use the color of the current player would be nice. It looks slick that way.

2. The album art is being reduced i think. I prefer the way it is.

3. You have to tab every time to see timer and current play song info? Hmmm....nope. So now you have to tab twice in order to skip somewhere. Tab once to bring the time bar and tab again to jump to a different portion of the song. When i am in the car, i don't want to tab twice (well, i already tab twice since the light will go dim)...that means i have to tab 3 times now just to skip, i don't have time for that....sorry!

4. Icons does not looks appealing. Even the thumbnails art is smaller...Sorry i don't like the desktop version. N900 version is the shyt....it looks slick and tight UI. You want to model after the slick mobile version, not the desktop.

Well, let's see how it go...if everything don't look the way i wanted, then i'll probably keep the oldest N900 version forever rather than upgrade. Remember, the reason Instintiv is unique is because of it's slick UI, huge album art and user friendly. If you take away all that and crowded it with FEATURES....or sacrifice slick looking UI for features....you essential lose that uniqueness. And so it becomes nothing more than just a default media player like the one they shipped with.

Something else...

What about landscape orientation...is the art going to be as big? Is there an option to shutoff rotation?

Is there a repeat mode for single song and playlist of songs??

I see a volume bar at the bottom....i think it's unnecessary since you already have a volume icon on the right side. How about scratch that bar and replace it with a progressive timer bar and place it right above before the art?? This bar, you can tab and skip to different portion of the song any time just like the current version. Get rid of the one-tab timer bar display....and replace put the equalizer bar on the right side.

And what about swipe art to change song?? Now that's a slick feature.

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A free one dude. And one with which you are given an opportunity to participate in its development.

If it troubles you. Wait for it on OVI. :)

***

And Peter...

Keep on truckin' toward release...

When it is time, I am anxious to hear and see what the Windows companion piece involves. :)

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hey peter
i think i read that the update will be through Ovi Store
Ovi store is blocked in my country
please could you ( at the update date ) to share the .deb file online like you used to do
thanks a lot
all the updates the picture look very promissing
caaaaaaaaaaant wait :)

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@peter,

Everything looks great. Looking forward to the ultimate music player on the N900.

P.S. Cover flow style of album selection would be awesome - just sayin'

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Hi Peter, do you guys have "genre"-selection on your list?

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Hello, Peter

I am still unable to place about 60% of my mp3 files with the latest test version of Instinctiv. It crashes after first several seconds of playback. Is there anything I can do to help you diagnose the problem?

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I think it's not a good idea to display "shuffle" in the main page. I think the best way to use this function is to put a button in the player interface. This way, you can change it, when you want. you're not oblige to go back in the main page.

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December 13th :) -- it made more sense to redesign some of the faulty architecture than try and fix it.

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i am sincerely waiting for its coming

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Will Instinctiv be controllable from the commandline? A dbus-interface would be fantastic, but some simple switches (like /opt/Instinctiv/Instinctiv --next-song) for skipping songs or play/pause would be cool as well.

This would enable us to control it via Bluetooth headsets or ShortcutD.

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man if u are working Close with STUPID NOKIA please tell them,TRY Releasing Ovi Store for Other Area's too,IT SAYS IT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR AREA,
IT IS RACISM.

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Settle down mate. It isn't racism. And saying that makes you appear like a petulant child.

If you can get it from here what's the problem?

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try to download from thiis site.

download instinctiv

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I suppose that depends on your area.

If it is AREA 51 you might have a case...

Nokia has always been ant-Martian IMHO.



***

My personal collection of songs takes up about 3/4' of a 16 gig card that I have them stored on. I spent time through the years editing and tagging them to my liking, including individual artwork or artistst images where appropriate.

Some of the tunes in this collection are unique recordings, their tagged images are also my own and may be only relevant to the time and place of a particular recorded performance. I keep the whole library intact on this card so I can move it from one device to another.

In this library I also have separate compilations, some as large as 885 tunes that I tag as a single album. When shuffled these large compilations create random playlists that fit the mood for which they were intended. With a sample that large it's hard to get bored with these shuffled play lists.

Needless to say I do not take kindly to wrestling with programs like iTunes or Windows Media Player that insist on re-tagging and refiling my library to suit their need to understand them.

Sygic is great in this regard. It handles everything that I throw at it. This app captures, parses, and correctly displays all my tagged images and keeps my "albums" intact. It does this much better than the N900's OEM media player which seems to loose track of all the images after about 1200 tunes are loaded.

The only other hand held device player that I have used that has been able to keep up with this library has been an app called "Kimoma" that I recently loaded on a new WinMo device that I'm using. Kinoma is also a hefty "pay for play" app that sets you back $30 US.

Thanks again Sygic dudes for including us in your app's development. :)

I also think the most underrated but most amazing Sygic feature is the song recognition. I am just starting to play with this feature but it seems we are getting much closer than I had previous thought to the day when we could hum a few bars of a tune into a device and it would be able to offer up a few good suggestions of possible matches.

Keep rockin'

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I'm in the double digit gigabyte range as well and I truely feel you pain. WMP has been a pain since forever, even me, as a devoted Windows user I gave it up long ago.

However, if you are on W7 or XP MCE you should try giving Windos Media Center a go. It doesn't retag anything by default, instead relies on the library system for reindexing and grouping. I'm quite happy with it, it's quite nice except for a few thing (more weight than Winamp, e.g.). It does have a finished feel, however, and has the advantage of using index database and metadata to maintain its grip on reality. It also lives with user's idea of a playlist.

For lightweight, I recommend WA for audio (or foobar) and Media Player Classic - Home Cinema for video. Its ability to configure keys is priceless for remotes and CLI use.

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Only 1 more week to wait! Giddyup!

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i love the anticipation. My favorite part of the coming update is the equalizer. I wish someone could develop an equalizer for the whole OS...if it can be built within an app why not for the device as a whole.

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Love the app myself, though I don't have as huge a connection as some.

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Last week we spoke with Nokia. We were actively discouraged from developing for Maemo any further. There are lots of things we love about Maemo, including an awesome user community so we're disappointed to see it EOL'd :( . It's frustrating to have put so much effort into an app only to see the platform it's on be terminated :( . Whether we reappear on MeeGo -- the successor to Maemo -- depends in part on Nokia. In the mean time, our conversation with Nokia has led us to deprioritize the update we were working on, though no final decision has been made yet as to whether or not it'll ship. I'll keep you posted.

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damn those nokia people!

just when some people are doing good things for maemo, and they just have to interfere...

@peter : please keep developing instinctive for maemo, we will wait patiently for your final release

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Forget MeeGo, I'll never buy a Nokia device again.
My next device will be an Android for sure. Although it's not a real Linux OS, it has a lot of games and apps.
Please keep working on this excellent player, or please release the source for us to finish it

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Please, at least release what you have developed so far. It would be shame to lose all that stuff. Development-wise though, you will most likely be ok as long as you are doing it with Qt: the same player should work on either Maemo5 or Meego.

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Coming from you, it is really discouraging =(

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Don't worry, I'll keep trying to make some apps for Maemo.
I won't sell my device (cause I'll loose a lot of money if I do it)
But update to the next nokia device? Never!

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What a huge letdown, I've been anxiously waiting for the final release especially the new UI you showed lately and the promise for seamless playback. I'd pay for that no doubt.

Now December 13th is only a week ahead, and we get this sudden sad news.

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I posted over in the ask the council thread, to see if perhaps this is worth looking into.

I'd hope that there is a mis-understanding here, and not Nokia intentionally undercutting commercial development on the N900/Maemo OS.

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We haven't made a final decision about how to wrap up development -- one last update is still a possibility. I can't share all the details of our conversation with Nokia but suffice to say Nokia convinced us to abandon this project.

To date, we've had about 60,000 downloads on Maemo. There aren't a lot of N900s out there so that's actually a pretty big chunk of the market. We're not far from a 1.0 where we can start charging but the numbers just don't make sense. If you assume the industry standard rate where 2% of our downloads will convert to paying customers and we charge $4.99 for the app, we stand to make about $6000 or in other words a fraction of what our devs costs have been. At best, $6000 will cover the remaining dev costs.

When we started developing for Maemo we were lead to believe that Maemo was going to be a big focus for Nokia going forward. Given what we've all been hearing about MeeGo that statement is still probably true. However, the timeframes are definitely not what we were expecting. Until MeeGo ships there just isn't a market to develop for here :(

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i don't understand this. it's one thing to not actively support of their own hardware, but trying to discourage devs from launching apps? really? well, nokia is dead to me personally, now. i love the n900 and wouldn't want to trade it for anything else, but when it does die and i'm forced to get another device, it won't be a nokia, that's for sure.

guys, just slap a price on it and launch it anyway. nokia are idiots.

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use Qt 4.7, QML and target 3 platforms at once, Maemo 5, MeeGo and Symbian^3+
you will get more out your efforts in the long run.
it would be a shame if you decide to pull support b/c its a great app with a lot of future potential

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I haven't followed the development of Instinctiv very closely, but this would seem like the best strategy. The market for Symbian applications is huge, and the ability to target the three platforms with relatively few code modifications is what attracted me to using Qt for developing mobile applications.

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QT works well for a lot of apps but there are certain classes of apps where QT doesn't really lighten the load all that much. Especially with any custom UI, there are a lot of little platform-specific quirks, which is a problem we're very familiar with. On the back-end, things like realtime processing (necessary for filling the audio buffer) or working with the filesystem are fundamentally not helped by QT.

We're definitely not pulling the app altogether. When MeeGo is ready we'd like to be a part of that. In the mean time, we'll also be launching on Android, Mac, Windows and Linux all in the immediate future.

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What a shame, I've been anxiously counting the days since you gave us the dec 13 date. So this means thre wonn't be a final release of Instinctiv ? :(

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You know, I'm not a big fan of Closed source, but seriously, Nokia is being ******ed.
Showing two faces at once to what is to date, the best community I've been in; and mind you, the only one I've learned a lot from development-wise, is a very bad move for such a company.
On one side of the big lie, they're promising to open up components, and blaming us to be the ones who aren't reporting it, and I'm not blaming the community council here.
On the other side, they're discouraging great developers like the ones here from developing in private, not the old Nokia we all knew and loved, I'm sure.
Sorry if my language is a bit rude, and it probably will be censored, but why not just **** them in the *** and release it on your own store? (You'll get 100% profit here, without losing %40 for something they never helped make, or in fact, helped release). Add an IMEI check to the app to do what they failed to do, a proper DRM for paid apps.
Anything beats the crap that Ovi Store has become.

Hearing this about Nokia, I too doubt my next device will be one of theirs.

Edit: Thanks for taking the time to post that about them.

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The markets where Symbian is popular are not ones where credit card usage is common or where there is a strong culture of paying for music, let alone music apps. In other words, we cannot effectively monetize on Symbian. The real question for us is what will happen with MeeGo.

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I want to be clear -- I think Nokia has actually treated us very fairly. They could have asked us to continue to develop for Maemo without being straightforward about their future plans. That would have been very bad for us and they absolutely did the right thing in explaining that we're wasting our time. A detailed explanation can be found here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=830 . What sux for us is that we worked really hard on this app and the platform just didn't see the kind of continuity we were hoping. But those are the risks of any new platform and we knew that going in.

I also want to add that there have been some incredible people at Nokia who have bent over backwards for us time and time again. A big shout out to Thierry without whom we'd never have gotten even this far.

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Symbian as a big market and carrier billing for Ovi in 150 countries with 3.5 million downloads a day from Ovi store. half a million per a day downloads increase in one month since S^3 launched, i think you've been reading too much US Media. Symbian is still BIG in Europe.
Developers are saying what your saying but about Android store so they go Ad funded route there.

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Ok, fair enough. At least Nokia still shows a tiny fracture of commitment to its developers. To the users this is another punch in the face, there's no doubt.

Peter, my plead: Go back to the last version you released for Maemo, add a lock-rotation button + properly cached covers, release it as a final version, and feel free to move onto Meego with your dignity intact. You will have our upmost respect, which I'd say couldn't be better publicity for your future projects! But don't let us down just now, just because Nokia 'convinced' you to!

Myself as well as many others have been eagerly awaiting the 13th of December, which seems to do its unlucky number justice, without even being a Friday.