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Unrelated to a MeeGo device from Nokia I would like to draw your attention to this post at engadget (yes, I'm that bored at work (http://twitter.com/zehjotkah/status/70255004010815489) that I'm reading engadget!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/t...ppi-coming-to/

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the loox does have a hw keyboard 4 rows too and as for the limited ram you can add quiet a few gig of swap memory then ubuntu will like a charm as for the tv out i dont think works on the ubuntu port if you are interested then there is an entire thread about this

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Ein Schelm, wer böses dabei denkt...

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Well, if this screen won't be on the n9 then you're being off-topic! :D

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yes, sorry for being offtopic. :p
back to work! :rolleyes:

edit: maybe we should take another look at the teaser in full-hd, pause at some screen-closeups? just to make sure to not sink into boredom...

edit 2:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_W...nnahandcom.jpg

edit 3:
now we need a 800x480 or 854x480 pixel screenshot from a N900...

edit 4:
let's take this one:
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.c...r-portrait.png

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My guess, from various MeeGo Touch Framework tests, is an 854x480 resolution.

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That's my bet also.

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Ehrm, no official channel no proof! I can tell anything in a description!

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Thank you for the effort. But I already did that exactly ;) screencaps of all the moments the device is seen in that video, including some transitions. And yes i was bored.. See the post right here.

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yes, I used one of your shots.
have you compared the screen resolution with a 800x480 screen resolution already? see my edited post..

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I tried to.. I took another screenshot where the edges of the display are visible relying on the fact that the right side of the screen is equal to the left. Here he/she makes a swipe-gesture transition to the photos, see attatchment below.

The width of the pic is now 485 pixels if i'm correct. Though I could not make a good comparisson, wich could be due to the video quality when pausing (frames) or that I shrinked the image one time with poor software (paintlol) to make it 485 wide, sorry for my bad shopping skills :P if anyone could/wanna do a better job at that, don't hesitate to do so.

This screen could very well indeed be 800x480, judging from comparing. Although my hopes are still up for qHD of some sort :o

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let's guess screen size, base on the thumb it must be 4.1" :P

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You can't really work out the size of a screen by looking at the size of a thumb. See for example http://boingboing.net/2007/06/21/app...bighanded.html

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so it could be a fat girl's hand ? so the size would be 3.5" then :)

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Could be the hand of the Giant from Jack and the Beanstalk

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[OFFTOPIC] Holy cow! now I understand the antennagate hassle, both these Apple hired 'hand models' are holding the Idevice in the freaking 'Deathgrip'! And Hagrid has shaved his hands pretty nicely there. [/OFFTOPIC]

But You are right, I was not meaning on comparing the actual screen size by looking at thumbs. The screen will probably be about 4 inch, the overall hardware form factor will probably be close to the E7.

I was hoping to find a clue in the screen resolution. Although you can't compare 3.5 inch to 4 inch directly, whilse viewing the screenshots from both devices on a PC for example you will probably see a difference if there is one. This does not really apply for the comparisson I did, because the N9/50 pic is by no means a screenshot, merely an attempt to make it look like one for obvious porposes.:o

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then i think u r a perfect noob....hehehehe

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Has anyone come across a possible release date? Didn't someone at Nokia (maybe Elop) state that they want to improve the time taken to get the phone to market once unveiled.

I saw that the FCC only had a 45day gagging order according to one site which indicates an imminent release.

Maemo developers conference next week, phone released to market possible within a month after. So the date floating around of 24th June doesn't seem too far of being possible.

I am almost sold on this phone, however, I have just read that Sygic has stopped work on a version for Meego. Now, unless a full QT version of Ovi maps has been ported over, there are no other navigation offerings.

With no chance we'll get Dalvik released to us, is this really enough to stop people moving to Android?

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I've got this feeling that they aint gona sell this device, only give them to devs and we normal/power users have settle to "lankku" w/o kb, but what i know. have to wait and see, only these rumors are making me crazy and cant wait to get new device.

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If they still plan to produce two devices (and it might have been the plan all along, or they were so far advanced it makes sense to).

Certainly I'm more ambivalent about physical keyboards: the screen is so small that for any extended text entry (e.g. SSH, note taking or, gasp, programming) that a virtual keyboard would really inhibit the usefulness of the device for those core use cases of mine.

However, on the flip side, the build quality and ruggedness of an N8 feels higher compared with an E7.

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I'd only get it if it has a hardware keyboard, otherwise the Samsung Galaxy S2 it is. However much I love Nokia's hardware, the software just has not had the support of Android or iOs. I'm not really missing any software other than google maps, but as I will like to do some stock trading from my phone I really need to be able to install the trading company's applications and as of now only availablet o Android or iPhone! I'm not sure why RIM can put an android emulator on their tablet, but that didn't occur to Nokia. They could have just bought Dalvik, thrown it onto their phones and that's the eco system taken care of while they sort out their own. Perhaps there are some licenses they could not agree with Google, but surely google should have been happy with Android (advertising) running on Nokia phones, bringing in tons of cash for them. Now that the deal with MS has gone through, no chance we'll see an Android emulator on a Nokia phone.

I would even pay a lot of money for Dalvik if it worked as well as they say. I'd be willing to spend £1000 on the phone and Davlik, seriously!

However, I'm coming to the stage where work is getting busy and I don't have the time to tinker with my phone just to get it to do the simple things. Google has agreed with phone manufacturers that they will support phones for 18months. That's 3 interations of Android. Taking into account the pace that Android is developing, I feel it is the best bet right now.

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Why would they design a beautiful touchscreen phone with qwerty keyboard, made of aluminium? The design costs and materials are way too expensive to be given only to developers.

This is a developer device. http://e2e.ti.com/videos/m/applicati...ic/121749.aspx

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/image...i_blaze_sm.jpg

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But think about all the R&D costs that went into this device... it wouldn't make much sense not to mass produce, sell and gain at least a bit of profit out of it. That is unless it's really 1 year old hardware inside, which would be a shame for Nokia to call their new "beast" when compared to the other manufacturer's specs, so they would just pass it out as a developers unit.

I don't think so though and even if the hardware won't be a new landmark, I guess it'll be pleasing enough and in combination of all aspects (OS[!], performance, build quality, design,...) it will probably be again the best you can get at that time.

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My thought : things that it's sure is that the N900 was delivered to developpers one month before public release, and it has not changed for us.
Many devs here have give up their maemo5 app support, because of the meego system coming (that what they said for most of them !)
A qwerty device and a candybar device with all the same built-in would be a VERY subtil idea for the first harmattan/maemo6/meego device launch ! :)

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Well the reason would very likely be exactly what you said above if all these rumors are true.
Nokia has spent so much time to it that they still give it to devs before lankku comes out. There's certainly lots of devices inside Nokia that we never see.

I'll just hope that if RM-680 is for devs only they already show lankku at MC or give some kind of timeline.... it's not like some of us haven't waited already.

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Surely many important things we do not know yet, because of the secret defense XD
Let's hope good surprises will be soon announced !
Meego steamroller is just going to wake up soon lol.

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But would it make sense to send the device over to the FCC just to dump it as a developer device? Doesn't make much sense to me. Also why make a teaser if practically nobody will be able to get this device?

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IF they are planning to hand them out to Devs at the MeeGo conference on US soil then getting FCC clearance makes sense.

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Yes, because this device has radio transmitters/receivers and therefore has to be approved by FCC if it is to be used in public. No matter if it only gets handed out to a few hundred developers...

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If they are giving it to lets say +500 people does it need to go trough FCC?
Teaser was not officially from Nokia. Like said previously dates on the teaser hint somewhere(example social app talking about NYC getting Super Bowl) to May 2010. First MeeGo device was supposed to be out Q4 2010, that being more than likely the RM-680.

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The FCC clearance and the Conf coming are making me very confident that it will be released at june of july.

Just hoping for an Alien Dalvik implementation now ;)

considering that android one of default resolutions is 800x480, and this device is likely to be 854x480 (without physical buttons) would I look stupid in thinking that some Android emulation on this could have the Android buttons emulated by software in those extra 54px? :D

Of course I'm looking forward for real MeeGo software support, but Android compatibility would be a SERIOUS selling point - the advantages of Android (marketshare included) + REAL Open Source :cool:

EDIT: c'mon even the Alien Dalvik official page have a photoshopped image of a N900 to illustrate what the sofware does!
http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Ma...en-Dalvik.aspx

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I think the most important think Nokia can do is put the Alien Dalvik onto Meego. An instant win for Nokia/Meego, access the thousands of apps, making it a mass market device!

I think if Nokia make this small change - it will change Meego's and Nokias future around!

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I don't see the point in that at all, They might as well just go full android with there own UI on top than implement Alien Davlik which is very limited btw

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Yay. Thousands of badly coded, poorly implemented, disorganised, inefficiant appz to undermine the fledgling OS startup. Great!

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I think it's more about appealing to end-user than a real OS policy. We all know that supporting Android fully (or even WP7, oh well) is not a good long-term strategy, considering the in-house investments so far.

Ond it doesn't need to be Alien Dalvik itself - a custom implementation a la Playbook would be possible (and preferable) as well.

And anyway it would be just one extra option for the user - if you don't like it, don't use it ;)

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Oh, I like your thoughts... ;)

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I doubt nokia is looking for be buddy-buddy with android, logicaly they just want to begin to eat it now :-)

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according to the calender in the commercial video it says 2010 and 29th (Wednesday).

Only September and December have 29th on Wednesday. So the commercial is made 6-7 months ago?

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It's not the best solution, but it WOULD be a selling point. And thats all we need, the N9 to sell well! Then Nokia will make more!

For someone who can't spell, you can't criticise Android apps!

Sure alot of them are one time apps unlike Meego. But the power users don't care - we probably won't use it. But for the newbies it's brilliant, best of both worlds!

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Seems that's the case. I bet the UI will be different as well. Tweaks, tweaks, tweaks... 6 months is a lot of time.

And look at it:

http://twitter.com/#!/Arguelles_/sta...89900525133824