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Thanks for working out the numbers Wonko :) Yep it's quite a bit lower than I hoped for. I guess it reflects the community interest and where things are at the moment :o

It doesn't look so bad when you put the number of application submissions against the number of voters. Although the number of voters is smaller this year, I still think it was right to make the winners and the prize distribution a community decision rather than a jury or some other method :)

Oh I really hope the council and board elections can gather more voters, it's a really huge decision for the future of our community here. Although I take some pleasure the coding competition normally beating the council voting for numbers, this time I will be very pleased to see a huge turnout for the council/BoD elections :)

It's not quite as bad as that.. :) But right, we tried to make it as easy as possible for people who were eligible to vote to do so. I hope no-one takes the low voter turnout to be a reflection of the quality of their applications, personally I think this was the best group of applications in any of the 3 competitions. Whatever.. please all be proud of your hard work :)

This is true, though I was only aware of less than 10 in this situation. They may have been others who didnt raise it though..

I think the average tmo/maemo.org user is aware of the separation as, like you say, as soon as you try to get involved with other things outside the talk forums (such as editing the wikis) you run into needing to create an account to do that. The average talk.maemo.org user who isn't involved with other things may not be though. It's a lesson from this competition, but hopefully it's something we don;'need to think about for the next one.

I think you're right about that. I sent an email to Woody earlier this morning to see if he knew anything about checking how many voters had used unique voting tokens which would answer that question.

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IMHO, some voters might have just voted in some categories and not others, so the unique voter count might by slightly larger than just the number of voters for the most popular category. :)

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Absolutely agree. I was awesome set!

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Holy sh*t! :eek:

I may be the single developer (worldwide) earning money from Windows Phone despite never developing anything for this reincarnation of the evil. :rolleyes:

Boah, thanks to all voters and congratulations to all better placed. Make good use of your devices. Congratulations! :)

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Same here I was quite dissappointed I came near the bottom!

Maybe it's just the developers that don't really like ebay apps - or just that voters didn't realise I was doing it in my spare time while having a full time job as well?

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Like most of us ... :)

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Hey all, I think we can call these results official now :)

I had one query regarding the voting process over the weekend and talked it over with Wonko, but we both felt things were ok. And as everything is consistent with the previous competition and what was laid out in the rules - that horse probably bolted (ie it's a bit late for a rethink). There'll be a new voting process on the next community site and I'm planning to bring feedback from our competition into that.

I've already started asking the top placed developers (1st or 2nd) from each category what their preferred device reward is. That can affect what's available to 3rd and 4th place as you guys get to pick from what's left basically.. Folks with a N950 and N9 already through the device program are out of luck, but I'll substitute in the largest share of the bounty. I hope to get devices all allocated before the end of the working week, so all you lucky winners should hear from me soon.

Shhusssh you! Stop talking about prizes :p

We can feel your disappointment rash.. :( To be truthful, the bottom half of the results don't mean a lot because of the number of votes - try not to be too downhearted :) You have 22 thanks in your announce thread for meebay for a start so please know your work is appreciated. It just didn't work out this time for you :)

Yep, we have to remember that our community is basically made up of volunteer developers who fit their development for us around their busy lives. That's one of the reasons the first competition came about, because I felt a lot of people were demanding why 'this or that' wasn't done or available yet on their N900. And these people maybe didn't appreciate the efforts of developers trying to code in their free time. So it was a way for the community who do appreciate to thank the developers. Annoyingly we can't thank everyone in a competition with a prize, cos everyone deserves would certainly deserve one :)

In saying all that, we have 25 devices from Nokia, plus a device prize from fcrochik, plus a bounty split (which was bounty total/7 categories /2 shares a category) - so 25 + 1 + 14 = 40 individual developer prizes. Which covers a lot of everyone who entered so that's cool. It's unusual to have a competition that awards so many people, but we are an unusual community :)

I've been vague on bounty split because I was afraid we could end up with a category with 3 or more ineligible developers for devices and I didn't want to be tied down to 2 shares a category - thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case.

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So i ve added results to the wiki page, if someone can review it, to be sure i didn't make any mistake. Thanks

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There's something I don't understand:
Alpha Strike and Crosswords are listed as winners both in Games, Graphics & Multimedia and in Beginners.
Does this mean the developers won two devices?

Just for curiosity: can we know how many developers voted for theirs own apps (just a number, don't want to know the names)?

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@kojacker

I've been planning to dump a decent wad of cash into the bounty for a while now...
I probably won't get round to it for a few more mths, is it too late then, or is the bounty open permanently?

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Hi sakya, as noted in the rules it's one prize per developer. So the answer to your first question is nope - no one will be rewarded two prizes. I've been in touch with both and confirmed which category they would like to receive their device from.

Regarding the second query, the voting tokens are strictly anonymous and I couldn't tell you who they belonged to. There's no way for me to know who voted for which apps.

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I participated at the first competition with the first Linux application I've ever created (I hand not much Linux knowledge before). It was a somehow ugly python hack I called DreamRemote for the N900. The main reason to develop it was to control my satellite receiver in the living room from my bedroom. It was mainly only for myself and a hard stuff to get it published at the repositories.
During the competiton timeframe I added support for several other receiver types, support for more than a single device at the same time and so on. I learned to dislike python but in the end I was motivated enought to buy after the competition timeframe a C++ book and some months later a book about Qt to learn it the hard way. ;)
I spent the cold months reading and learning new stuff and at the next competition I were able to participate with my own C++ Linux apps. I learned how to crosscompile and published those at the discontinued Intel AppUp store (I got a expensive SSD HD from Intel and later a megacool Ultrabook from Samsung as a thankyou gift), I learned how great it feels if you get your stuff working on different devices like symbian and how hard it is to publish signed sis files at the ovi store. But I got a C7 from Nokia for my symbian portings even though the sales are so low that I'm able to buy every month a small pakage cewing gums from the earnings. Disapointing, but in those moments I try to see the big picture just as you should with this years competition.
I learned during the last year enought to get qualified for a superior Nokia N950 as a loan from the community and won a Nokia N900 because I made with one of my apps the second place in one of the subcategories. A great surprise!
Thanks to the knowledge I needed to learn during the competitions I were earlier this year able to get a BlackBerry Playbook 16GB from RIM and visited this autumn a Developer Event in Berlin and met there some of the most famous and inspiring maemo community members in real live, face to face. A fact I would have never thought about 3 years ago when I switched from my N95 to maemo5 and the N900.

In the meantime I were actually able to use my new knowledge at my daily job. And I'm sure if I need to search for new opportunities I would mention it in my next application. I'm sure, there are not many guys out there which got devices from global big player like Intel, Nokia and RIM for their hobby projects. And not only simple devices, unpublished stuff like the N950 or my new toy from RIM, the prototype DevAlpha.
I'm absolutly sure, this is the biggest thing I could have ever won from this competitons. It makes me feel to have a more safer future. Every participant has left this competition with more knowledge than before. Make good use of it and keep on rocking. Congratulations!

I won at this competition the 5th place in the others category. It was a surprise and feels just great but this price is only a small contribution to all the stuff I won from this competitions. And I will try to invest the bounty again to learn new stuff, to port my applications to new devices and my vain try to chatch up with all the big developer megastars at this community. I will never reach the point were are all those young inspiring talents are. But sometimes it feels like beeing a part of them.

Thank you!

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kojacker has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space. :)

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Oh a few months would be a bit late for us jalyst as i'm hoping to get it all sorted out shortly, probably over the next week. It's nice you were thinking of us though :)

If you're still feeling generous then I'd suggest you take a look around the individual apps you like, some developers will have individual donation links to paypal accounts etc, and throw a few bucks into the ones you think deserve it. And if they don't have one listed in their signature, ask for one - most of us have a paypal :) It doesn't have to be a lot, a few bucks for a beer, a cinema ticket, pay towards a meal with the girlfriend.. it's all appreciated.

Oh that happens a lot, I've freed a few up now but be quick lol!

Or get me on the competition email address, hurrah for gmail and it's vast quantities of disk size :)

I still remember how you said nobody would be interested in DreamRemote as it was kind of obscure.. I felt kind of bad :( .. then next thing I went into the announce thread and it was buzzing with folks curious to know more :)

Just getting your app out there will bring benefits - not just to the community but to the developer too.. so you haven't won a prize don't feel you've wasted your time. It mightn't feel like it now, but you'll find benefits will come along in one way or another :)

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I'm talking about more than a few bucks for an app, I'm talking about enough (or close) to buy a brand new N9 or two N900's etc...
Maybe the council should keep a donation piggy-bank permanently running, a % of which could be set aside for more devices for community developers?

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That sounds really generous of you Jalyst and I think that's a great idea about a community piggy bank :) We did try to get a maemo.org paypal address set up for the first competition but it never went anywhere, thankfully zehjotkah stepped in as treasurer. It seems with the new Hildon Foundation/community/whatever we turn into there will be a board that has the ability to raise and hold finances so it should be doable then.. I guess? It's up to whoever ends up on the board I guess... hmmm

I think you should raise that up as a great idea, you got my support and I'm sure a lot of other folks too :)

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I'd happily fling a few bob towards it - i am just so happy these coders exist writing these awesome apps to make the N9 an even better experience fr people like me. Shame i was too late to vote.

Thank you ALL for your hard work. Much love <3

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Absolutely great idea, but OTOH, why Coding Competition can't start gathering funds for *next* year CC right now? I.E funds gathered since end of this competition, would be part of next pool, etc?

It could be good idea, as we're not going to have 25 devices from Nokia anymore - starting gathering funds early, may ensure securing nice prizes for next Competitions, which I'm sure will occur. It's too nice tradition to get lost in transit.

/Estel

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I feel you're right :) But to make clear, anything added 'right now' would stil be counted towards this year, so please no-one do that right now unless you'd like us to use it for the current competition (which we'll be happy to do!) :) But once the contest is over it might be possible to begin collecting for the next one... it feels a long way off though. As zehjotkah is holding all donations in his personal paypal account to pay out later it's probably not fair on him to hold any new donations for a year (he probably wouldn't refuse just to helpful, but it's really not fair to ask him to manage peoples money for such a long time. And although we trust him completely it's not ideal either to have one guy in charge of that in case he's attacked by anti-Maemo Ninjas and goes into hiding). And who knows where we'll all be in a years time .. things change :o So although I actually really love the idea there's one or two problems to think about first, but not anything that can't be overcome.

Perhaps when the new Hildon Foundation comes in they can set up a community fund and can manage that as a community entity. I believe they will also be looking for community donations when it starts up (I say 'I believe', i haven't had time to follow it closely or really any of the council/BoD stuff but I have heard it mentioned before..). So they must have some idea of what they want in place to manage community donations for their own efforts, perhaps we can make use of that/duplicate that system for other community efforts such as the coding competition and maybe other things we can run throughout the year.

I keep saying 'perhaps' and 'maybe' a lot cos I don't have a clue :) It should be possible to do something like this, but I think it's best to wait for the new Foundation and site/community to form around that and then see who's interested in doing what :)

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Maybe we can get some devices from Jolla? (maybe as a payback for their ads on future versions of maemo.org?)

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Do not hesitate, if you spare any phone I'll be happy to provide house :D
it´s a joke!!!:rolleyes:

PD: I'll be happy to participate again next year!!!!

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Hi guys, I did find some great apps in the competition but is there a single place where I can see all applications and where to get them? I checked the wiki for competition 2012 but I can't find a description if apps are in store or a separate download and a link to it.

Cheers

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Hmm possible I guess :) We do know someone who knows someone at Jolla and dropped some hints about this competition but no luck this time. But they are only starting up, perhaps when they are more established :)

Yeah nice try ;)

It'll be good to see you back!

Not really a place where everything is in one big lump like that on the wiki, but they all should have some download instructions on the submissions which point to where you can download them. It's a matter of looking through each of the category pages individually I'm afraid to pick out the download instructions. If i had the time, i would add a link to each app name in the participants table but there's just so darn many of them :D I might find some time yet :)

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Oh no, 5th place for DingMee. You should see now my girlfriends sad eyes ;-)

Anyway, thanks for all votes!

Before I bought my N9 and join this community, I thought Harmattan is dead. But the opposite is true!
This a great system. I hope there will be another competition next year.

Keep coding ;-)

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In before someone asks for pics...

Don't worry, with a 5th place finish you're in line for a bounty share you can use to help her smile again (hint: chocolates never fail :) )

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I have to say thank you to everybody, especially the organizers of 2012 coding competition.

I'm very very happy to finally get a precious N9, that is the best moment in my dev life (even better than when I got my N950), but most important, through this competition, I discovered this vibrant community that is in TMO, I got support from french Maemo / Meego fans that gave me motivation to release a quite polished version.

Great thanks to Iryus :D. Great thanks also to qwazix for making me participate to the competition, and to testers that bricked their devices for me :)

Anyway, I hope that next year, there will still be this awesome competition, maybe this time with a different phone manufacturer like Jolla :)

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I am curious if overall more votes went to Fremantle or Harmattan devices.

If voters are only casting their votes for applications that they have run on their devices, the competition may evolve mostly into a statistical representation of how many Fremantle or Harmattan devices are distributed among the voters.

If that is the case, it might be more fair to split the next competition into two categories.

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I personally did not consider fremantle/harmattan at all for my votings, neither did/could test all apps, but decided also on idea of app, coding skills/technique (as far as I could evaluate ;)) or just estimated usability for the community.

Nevertheless: maybe we could add two more categories, overall fremantle and overall harmattan (like Beginners)? Of course depending on amount of available devices/prices.

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Why no kojacker amongst candidates for Foundation's Board of Directors? you're proven as a great organizer, and despite declaring being constrained by lack of free time, you're doing more, than others declaring full availability.

Now You should see *my* sad eyes, when I saw list of BoD candidates (without kojacker)...

/Estel

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Hmm I don't have those statistics rotoflex but taking a quick glance over the results it seems pretty mixed, maybe slightly more votes for Fremantle. Yep like you say, I'm sure there are a lot of people who only vote for apps they have run on their own device. It's understandable you want to try something before you vote for it. But also I've heard other reasons - for example, if someone has developed something new or cool they hope will be ported to their device later. And in a few cases I think if the app just looks good, or simply to reward a developer that they like. Sometimes I don't like the reason I hear, but that's what you get when you make it an open vote :o Let's consider your split idea for the next competition and if enough people like it then we'll do it :)

Those are all great reasons and type of ideas I hope people have in their minds when they are voting :)

Yep, again let's put your two extra categories on the table for the next competition :) We do have fcrochik's prize to come (which is a N9 for the best overall N900 app) so we have a little bit of that this time too. It's great to keep the competition fresh with new ideas.

lol.. you're very kind and thank you! But I feel the candidates running are much better at those things than me. I did think about running for council once a few years back (the same year Zehjotkah ran) but to be honest I never thought about it since. It takes a lot of time and dedication, I'll be happy to help out if ever needed :)

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You already know my opinion, kojacker :D

But another thing came to my mind:
You really did a lot of work for us. And you do not get/asked for anything out of it, right?
So, as it is too late for reserving a device for you for all that good things you did, I would like all developers to ask to agree to give kojacker at least a bit out of the bounty share for a nice dinner or so?
What do you think?

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Oh no, don't be crazy lol I wouldn't accept it! I have another 10 great apps on my phone right now I wouldn't have without you all, so I already got all the reward I need :)

Anyway thank me later when it's all finished, the competition bit is over but now it's the awkward part of getting the prizes etc sorted out. It's a fun part too, though I wish I had a prize to give to everyone :)

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That's the problem! Every person who really get all
pre-requirement for becoming great Community leader, think that there are better ones for that.

As a result, we get - on Community positions - people that are absolutely found of themselves, with deep confidence, that they're great in everything they do, as best people on best place.

*cry*
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Hm, Coding Competition was meant to have 25 devices, but it got another one for best N900 program..., So, we have one as a bonus anyway, yep? Anyone else see it as device for kojacker? :)

/Estel

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Oh no, that's fcrochik's decision as it's his device to give away and it's already going to be an award for a N900 app. That's a much better use for it, and honestly I really don't need another device :)

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Your attitude is really great and rare nowadays.
I hope you keep it up this way and supporting Maemo/Meego.
Thank you.

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Oh stop it, you're all making me blush lol :p

Back to the competition.. ;)

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I am just curious, when we should expect to devices be delivered to winners?

I know, I am bit impatient :D

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...or: when the final results (list of official winners with chosen device, bounty shares winners) will be published? :)

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Perhaps just after all internal discussions (at example a single person won in two categories but will get only a single device and has to chose in which category, this interfere other winners / who is able to get a N950, who has to switch with somebody else and so one) are over and everything is resolved and we have the final results.

I'm not sure if it would be good to announce the unfinal final results before just because the community is impatient. :)
What is your opinion? ;)

Just give kojacker some more time. I'm sure, he will post as soon as everything is fine. Don't know if it is possible to announce a announcement date. It depends not only on the organizer... so "it is done when it is done" :cool:

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:p

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