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Yes someone's mentioned it already IIRC, it's a possibility.
Possibly based on their dual core version mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip#RK31xx_series

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I really doubt thats even possible, many hw manufactors does not even give out full techspec for theyr hw that makes it impossible write open drivers!

Now thats why libhybris exists... Because even if Canonical/Jolla want native Linux drivers they can't write them and instead have to use closed Android drivers. Remember that open plasmatablet? how much problem they got with hwmanufactor...

Especially all those new asian companys are bad on writing techspec.

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Is it 100% confirmed that jolla won't can/will release a real qwerty as other side?

Can the OS run in landscape med atm, otherwise it's an indication that no keyboard is imminent.

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My guess is then 3066 with Mail400(means will probadly depend on libhybris) or 3168 with PowerVR(SGX no need for libhybris AFAIK)

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They said at one point that their focus is on portrait, which is a pretty good indicator what their immediate interest (at least) is. That doesn't mean they won't eventually focus much more on landscape, or make it easier for others, or that Nemo won't focus on it. It doesn't make much sense for it to be a priority right now, given that they're clearly launching w/a slate device. But who knows what'll happen not too long after launch, especially if the "Other Halves" are not just NFC triggered sw auto-runs, & can also do hw augmentation in which Jolla releases their own "Others Halves", or does so with partners. (But the latest speculation is that "true hw augmentation" is probably unlikely)

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for anybody who cares about X11 , i had a chat with stskeeps on irc and he pointed out that xwayland and xmir don't support opengl/egl. how many apps that affects i don't know. things like openscad are affected for sure.

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i thought that there was no landscspe mode, but someone corrected me and pointed out that the alpha sdk has support for landscape mode. maybe someone can confirm this is still the case for the beta sdk?

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It has landscape support, they just won't use it in many apps.

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Landscape mode is essential for the browser and e-reader for example.

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Yep, which is what I was getting at by saying "it's not their focus"...
There's always some apps that naturally work better in landscape, so it makes sense to have a basic lvl of support.

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Cleaner ... probably not, it s require a bit of c glue code ... we probably can make a qml extension ...

But yes i m currently playing with it, and that's a real solution (once you have callback or threading) (http://github.com/khertan/pyotherside a version which support threading)

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Wow that was fast: KhtNotes running with pyOtherSide on N9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4VLIXgEzSw

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That s not yet a complet port ... but yes that was fast :) 30min :p

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SDK Update!

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it seems that Jolla updated their phone's icon?

https://sailfishos.org/images/Device_icon.png

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Huawei P2 and Jolla phone look similar in design, they hired the same designer from Infinity

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Did the same designer do the P6 too?

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no this is there are the old icons, what we have seen befor.
You see in the new alpha SDK the new same Icons what we see on the new Videos

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From here: https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html

So hopefully they won't lose the momentum and won't retain their applications and UI closed source.

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AFAIK this has been on the homepage since february so I am suprised they still not has a clear solution it seems.

Seriously I wonder if they really has a good business license model... I mean they have to have money to continue with nextgen device. But if no one else licensing sailfishos, Jolla will be doomed after first phone if they dont sell as crazy. As Marc already has said in some interview companys are still affraid of opensource and especially GPL. That may be a reason silica is BSD.

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I doubt "licensing Sailfish" is a good model at all. They need something else. Partnerships, etc. Mozilla for example doesn't "license" Firefox OS - it's fully open source. Still, they have partners. How exactly does it work?

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How does it work?
Mozilla is a non-profit organization, so it's a completely different situation. I doubt that Jolla would want to have no profit at all ;)

Plus who would choose Firefox if it wasn't free - it doesn't bring anything new or revolutionary after all...

But I agree having more (partner) developers on board is a good idea, especially at this stage.

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In this talk....
http://kde-app.mirror.uber.com.au/ak...ilfish_OS.webm
Or maybe it was this one...
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/vi...er_and_Qt.webm
The Jolla employee seemed very sure that it'll eventually become mostly open (if not 100%).
Orig. source:
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/

Much of this area is covered [fairly] well in the MeR video I linked above.

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Don't forget that employer does not always knows companys fully strategy. After all they are engineers not bosses.

but i scares me that jolla seems to not fully have a longer strategy mens after first phone release. After all they need some kind of bussiness model especially if they go fully opensource..

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He said it quite emphatically, like he's spoken to senior management & they're in agreement.
Find the snippet I'm talking about...
Of course things could change, that's always a very real (& understandable) possibility.

Agreed, not enough detail there, hopefully we'll hear much more, & sooner rather than later.

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Just wondering.. I have 20 pages of apps.... And how could I get quickly to the multitasking? Some pull stuff should be in the middle too.

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A nice "other half" would be an e-ink display. One company introduced its own solution for various mobiles on the IFA:

http://www.heise.de/imgs/18/1/0/7/3/...883cd3d7f.jpeg

google translated version:
http://translate.google.de/translate...951841&act=url

original article in german:
http://heise.de/-1951841

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In the light of recent developments I think Jolla has a slight chance to establish itself on the market.

- The NSA leaks have shown that Android (or better the services that come along with it) is basically spyware for the american government.

- Microsoft is now a hardware maker, hence others will likely refrain from doing WP phones in the future.

- In general handset makers may want to become indepenent of Google services in the longer term, i.e. be able to pick whatever service-provider they'd like.

Of course they could also use Ubuntu Mobile or an Android fork, however at least the latter comes with known problems.

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My concern is that i'll get a Jolla phone and afterwards Nokia will buy them and I'll be forced (again) to deal with their stupid policies. :mad:

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I'd still prefer a dedicated e-reader at around novel size, i.e. 7".
But I can see how it'd be appealing to some...

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I still prefer real paper books until some company comes with something that feels right for reading books..

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If jolla mange to release a working beta smartphone they have done a great job. To add what you expect is impossible. You need to be able to walk, before you can fly...

Time to mange the expectations, folks!

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I tend to (somewhat) agree, but that may simply not be good enough...
Even it's the best they can do, being the tiny start-up & sw/hw/odm/oem ecosystem they are.

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This may have been answered before, but although I've followed Jolla news with interest, I do not have a clear picture of the issue.

Is Jolla's Sailfish and the essential applications going to be open source 100% or not? Is Jolla going to leave something with closed source licenses?

I think the only way Jolla to really break through, would be to be 100% OSS and be verifiable NSA-backdoor free, and market it as such widely.

If there is closed source components, then few days ago Snowden's leaked NSA's social and monetary strategies may work also in Jolla and some convenient weaknesses exist in the closed source parts of the Jolla Sailfish. Then verifiable three-letter-agencies-free OS cannot be claimed and marketed, and someone or some organization may rather choose for example Replicant Android with OSS apps.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...on-expert-chat

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It's not 100 percent open. It's hard to give a persentage since open means different things to different people.

Reading NSA. I wouldn't trust jolla over any other vendor. When it comes to security, you can only trust yourself.

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Being 100% open source is no anti-dote, they've actively gone after those models too.*
The only (slight) advantage, is that vulnerabilities would be found/closed more quickly.
To address your Qn, there's several threads where this has been discussed in detail, can't recall them OTTOMH.
Maybe later I'll point you to them, if someone else hasn't already...

Good night.
*as (undoubtedly) have other govt's with large/powerful economies

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Being 100% opensource will never happen. Its not how bussines works, but I wonder why the heck all people complains about that issue when there is so few contributors to what is open already.

I mean seriously, if its so important everything is open source why is there not more people comitting code, testing, sending bugreports to upstream mer and nemoprojects!? mer, sailfish malinglists should be full with poists everyday but most the time I get one or 1 mail/day. Now compare that to kate(kde editor) mailinglist or any other. So my point is start contribute to whats open before discuss about how open Jolla's apps will be...

For me it seems those who want "100% open" are not even contributing in much way to what exists already.

to repeat what said already, take a look here what IS open:

https://github.com/nemomobile

https://github.com/mer-tools

and ofcourse most importantly qt:

http://qt.gitorious.org

And about NSA yes it sucks bigtime. But why care when most people are stupid *****s anyway and using Google, Facebook and similar wihout even think of it. Actually NSA scandal is not something new. People should had realised this WAY before that scandal and actually it will not change because most people thinks "hey USA is the good guys who cares about us"

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It depends. One can be 100% open source, if one finds way to be profitable. Examples include Red Hat, Mozilla and others. Jolla are a startup, and are still figuring things out. I hope they'll find a way to make Sailfish 100% open source (I'm not talking about driver blobs here).

About NSA and etc. Things go way deeper than many even think. It's way beyond Google and co. already.
See http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-surveillance

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How is open source more secure??

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It's the more eyes principle. More people seeing the code, should mean less bugs. But admittedly that doesn't always work,or takes time to get noticed. Bad example is Debian OpenSSL messup. Interesting now with all the NSA leaks.