maemo.org - Talk - Jolla User Experience Thread

Will it be just like the Nokia N9? (Where it gets better, but mainly things that should be there from day 1)
I just hope this doesn't disrupt Jolla too much, and a much more ambitious Jolla 2 is in the works.

Resources collapsed for the N9 pretty much completely no more than 6mth after it 1st came out, even before then it had started to drop significantly.
So no, I don't see how parallels can be drawn...
No need for anything more ambitious on the sw side, just keep plugging away (hard), hw side could benefit from a bit more ambitiousness for the Jolla 2.

Philippe

2013-12-02 09:40

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1391569)

Has anybody managed to use The Jolla as a USB modem (or bluetooth)? In other words, has anybody used it to access the internet using teethering?

With developer mode and ip forwarding it works great.

Set up the network, set the device ip as gateway, make sure your pc has a valid dns set (if not set 8.8.8.8) And put this in a script you execute after devel-su on the phone.

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o rmnet0 -j MASQUERADE
/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i rmnet0 -o rndis0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i rndis0 -o rmnet0 -j ACCEPT

juiceme

2013-12-02 09:41

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1391568)

Finally and my big thanks for this most useful info.

This took a mighty long time to surface if I may add. Could it be true most people are not that into multi-tasking after all?

I'd say anybody using android apps isn't into multitasking at all :D:D:D

ggabriel

2013-12-02 09:45

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Originally Posted by Philippe (Post 1391586)

RE: using The Jolla as a USB Modem: With developer mode and ip forwarding it works great.

Thanks for this - can I ask you if The Jolla exposes itself as a PPP modem, which you should be able to find out easily with lsusb -v (assuming your PC runs *nix, otherwise don't worry too much about it).

Boxeri

2013-12-02 09:47

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Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1391442)

Have a number of frustrations which have caused me to wipe the phone 4 times so far

It has taken 4 wipes before the phone has recognised the white other half and installed the theme

It doesn't recognise the orange one at all

But the biggest issue is that it won't download from the jolla store - I get a message which just says "problem with store" no matter what I try to install

I'm beginning to get very fed up with this. I've checked the date, time and time zone are correct. I've tried a battery pull. I've tried disabling wifi and accessing the store over 3G. I've tried the various wipes I mentioned, but now have no idea what next to do

Be glad of any suggestions. Also doesn't seem to install dev mode either - nothing happens when I accept the terms

:confused:

Have you enabled developer mode and there under SSU clicked the "Allow developer updates"? It was mentioned earlier that this should not be done! Can't remember the exact problem it caused, something to do with the repositories it enables are not yet open for public or something like that. That messed my phone with similar problems you are mentioning the store problem for example. I did Factory reset and didn't touch anything under that SSU part again and everything has so far worked perfectly.

att	2013-12-02 09:52

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Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1391566)

I assume he is asking about prefix recognizing within a carrier (in his case the same number, but prefix 040 and 050), which Nokia phones were for some obscure tech reason unable to differentiate - and hence just showed the number, not the contact name.

Peeks my curiosity as well...?

Okay, I created a test person that has the same phone number as my work phone but this time with prefix 040 instead of correct 050. Notice that in Finland 040 and 050 are different carriers. When I try to call to my Jolla from my work phone it shows correctly my name instead of just created test person. So I would like to think it works at least between different carriers at Finland.

Philippe

2013-12-02 09:52

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1391592)

Just an USB rndis network. You just need to make sure the data connection is on. No messing with PPP and such. Much nicer imho.

richardyates

2013-12-02 09:59

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Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1391594)

Yes I did. I've now wiped it again and left developer mode well alone for now!

Only problem I have right now is alarms. I set one for 6:43, set it and when it returned to the alarm screen, it showed 7:43

Convinced I must have made a stupid mistake I tried again, being very careful this time and I did set it for 6:43 - but it came up as 7:43 again!

Time zone is definitely right, so puzzled by that one. More to the point I now have 2 alarms at 7:43am, and I can't work out how to delete either, all I am able to do is toggle on or off

ah hurrah capchas are off - I must have asked enough!

Boxeri

2013-12-02 10:00

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Just noticed funny thing. In the Jolla.com homepage in one of the first pictures in the carousel at the top of the page. There is a device and in that device the launcher shows that there is a native File manager-app installed on it.

Wonder why they didn't release that app already :D

File managers from android stores do work, but it would be nice to have a native one

http://jolla.com/assets/Hero_2.jpg

coco_f2001

2013-12-02 10:04

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It is strange how the S4 mini manages to get 54h endurance on gsmarena and Jolla only 2 days if it is not used much. They have almost the same specifications...

Boxeri

2013-12-02 10:06

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1391598)

Long pressing on the specific alarm at the alarms screen should open option to change it and to delete it.

Can't say anything about that one hour change in the alarm time. Doesn't happen to me.

Is your Store working correctly now?

richardyates

2013-12-02 10:11

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Aha! thanks, my long press was not long enough!

Store now seems to be working. just tried another alarm, same thing happens - sets for one hour later

I think I'm just going to add things more slowly this time, if you try to add everything you want in one go, it makes it very hard to track down problems

Other issue is that since I completely wiped it, it doesn't react to having the backs changed. I'm not too fussed about different ambiences, but that could be an issue with some other halves

jalyst

2013-12-02 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Manatus (Post 1391197)

I confirm this working! :)

Can you go into more detail about limitations, if any...
Surely not all aspects of Play Store are working flawlessly?

Philippe

2013-12-02 11:36

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Originally Posted by coco_f2001 (Post 1391603)

It is strange how the S4 mini manages to get 54h endurance on gsmarena and Jolla only 2 days if it is not used much. They have almost the same specifications...

Remove the android stuff and it lasts. I have 3 days usage out of it, a lot better than my N9.

Schturman

2013-12-02 11:39

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Guys, how jolla show the caller id on in/out calls ?
Can it show image of the contract ? Big or small image like on n9 ?
Maybe someone can show screenshot ?
Thanks

pipould

2013-12-02 11:42

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philippe (Post 1391637)

Remove the android stuff and it lasts. I have 3 days usage out of it, a lot better than my N9.

Same for BB10, if I start to heavily use android apps, my Z10 doesnt last half a day..

m4r0v3r

2013-12-02 11:44

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May as well start learning how to create native apps for what we want.

Larswad

2013-12-02 11:48

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1391641)

May as well start learning how to create native apps for what we want.

I felt pretty comfortable with native Qt on maemo, but now I have to learn QML and also the interfacing between C++ and QML. I guess that's a little learning curve for us that will take a little time to overcome. I will learn QML, but to me that's a little stopper actually.

akse	2013-12-02 11:54

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So does it affect on battery life if the Android support is installed or just using the Android apps does?

I don't really use much Android apps and the battery doesn't last very long time.

juiceme

2013-12-02 12:07

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Originally Posted by akse (Post 1391645)

So does it affect on battery life if the Android support is installed or just using the Android apps does?

I don't really use much Android apps and the battery doesn't last very long time.

I have dalvik installed but have not installed any applications (and maybe should uninstall the dalvik too as I don't use it...)

Battery life is comparable to N9; for example on saturday unplugged charger at 7:00 AM, when it had 100% charge. Had some light browser/mail/sms usage during the day, also few short calls and I checked the map once (and turned GPS off after it).
When I plugged it back to charger in the night at around 01:30 AM it was 47% still available.
So, charge about halved in 18 hours.

akse	2013-12-02 12:18

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Okey I cannot remember but I think I unplugged the phone yesterday around 12-14 (pm). So its been soon around 24h and still 20% left. It is a bit less than what I had with N9 though I've had accounts online all the time (gchat).

Didn't do so much stuff yesterday, maybe some browsing and adding new contacts, no calls or sms.

I wish we get some nice battery monitor soon similar to N9, to see really which using the battery.

The battery life was actually horrible in the first few days but maybe the battery is just starting to perform as it should. Should take a couple of rechargings for it to operate 100%.

Have to make some notes for a few days of what I do and so on. :) Manual battery monitor.

mrsellout

2013-12-02 12:29

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1391653)

I have dalvik installed but have not installed any applications (and maybe should uninstall the dalvik too as I don't use it...)
...

Or just run 'systemctl stop aliendavik.service'

In fact maybe someone could do a little systemui type button to switch the dalvik on and off.

att	2013-12-02 12:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by akse (Post 1391645)

So does it affect on battery life if the Android support is installed or just using the Android apps does?

I don't really use much Android apps and the battery doesn't last very long time.

There are lots of processes for the Android support running although you don't currently have Android apps running. I don't know if they actually use much resources but they are in process table.

att	2013-12-02 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by akse (Post 1391658)

I wish we get some nice battery monitor soon similar to N9, to see really which using the battery.

The battery life was actually horrible in the first few days but maybe the battery is just starting to perform as it should. Should take a couple of rechargings for it to operate 100%.

Have to make some notes for a few days of what I do and so on. :) Manual battery monitor.

If you enable developer mode and activate mer-tools repository, you can install the powertop program and run it from terminal. w00t has instructions earlier in this thread.

juiceme

2013-12-02 13:46

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Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1391666)

Or just run 'systemctl stop aliendavik.service'

In fact maybe someone could do a little systemui type button to switch the dalvik on and off.

Well, ran "ps aux | wc" few times before and after stopping dalvik and it seems I have now 11...12 processes less than before ;D

It's yet to be seen how it affects battery consumption.

bennypr0fane

2013-12-02 13:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1391599)

WUT? Sailfish does not come with a native file manager? :eek:
I have neverever heard of such a thing before! Is that even possible? Unspeakable! how....

benny1967

2013-12-02 13:54

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1391692)

WUT? Sailfish does not come with a native file manager? :eek:
I have neverever heard of such a thing before! Is that even possible? Unspeakable! how....

How do you like the N9's native file manager?

ggabriel

2013-12-02 13:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1391692)

WUT? Sailfish does not come with a native file manager? :eek:
I have neverever heard of such a thing before! Is that even possible? Unspeakable! how....

Funny how I've got a file manager in my N9 and I always use the terminal to do any file management. It'd be nice if you could activate the terminal without having to go through development mode though, as it's extremely useful.

ste-phan

2013-12-02 14:26

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1391588)

I'd say anybody using android apps isn't into multitasking at all :D:D:D

True enough if one is ex-Android user first step on Jolla Sailfish...
But wouldn't it be a satisfying rape of Android system legislation to force multiple instances of Aliendalvik to make them multitask. :p

w00t	2013-12-02 14:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1391642)

Pop on IRC, and I'm sure you'll find a lot of folks willing to help give a hand (me included) :)

seiichiro0185

2013-12-02 14:34

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For all the german speakers out there, here is a review from german tech-site golem.de:

http://www.golem.de/news/jolla-im-te...-103048-7.html

All in all they seem to like the phone an sailfish quite a bit :)

They also have some Info from "A Jolla Employee" that I haven't seen metioned before: They claim that the phone itself has no NFC chip but Jolla is planning to built a NFC Other Half.

bockersjv

2013-12-02 15:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schturman (Post 1391639)

Guys, how jolla show the caller id on in/out calls ?
Can it show image of the contract ? Big or small image like on n9 ?
Maybe someone can show screenshot ?
Thanks

I can do some basic screenshots later.

Basically the image in the people(contacts on N9) appears full screen but darkened much like it would be if it was set as an ambience, it is still distinguishable as the person though. I quite like it.

On making a call the text on the screen shows dialling then alerting once the other end is ringing and one they pick up a timer starts.

Just above mid screen are three icons
Speaker - Dial Pad - Mute

A small "cancel" line appears at the bottom of the screen which turns into "end call" when the other party pick up

As a phone the Jolla is very good. Reception is great, earpeice speaker is loud and the loud speaker is good too.

Silwer

2013-12-02 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1391709)

They claim that the phone itself has no NFC chip but Jolla is planning to built a NFC Other Half.

It is bit difficult for me to understand. How the phone is currently detecting the OTH swap if it does not have built in NFC?

zlatko

2013-12-02 15:18

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@bockersjv
OffTopic: There is already screen shot taking application for Sailfish:
http://t.co/IE8Zo7wuEi
you can try use it when taking screen shots.

richardyates

2013-12-02 15:22

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Can I ask a dummy question? How do you install the .rpm file?

zlatko

2013-12-02 15:29

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@richardyates
I suppose you just press on it the "downloads" screen?
Or may be in terminal "zypper install [packagename]"?

bockersjv

2013-12-02 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1391729)

Can I ask a dummy question? How do you install the .rpm file?

No dummy question. I don't know that either, in fact I am probably amongst the minority here that one the rare occasion I do enter the dark side I treat the terminal as a unexploded bombs and double and triple check every entry I make!

richardyates

2013-12-02 15:34

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Thanks both of you. Will give the long press method a go first:)

bockersjv

2013-12-02 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1391725)

It is bit difficult for me to understand. How the phone is currently detecting the OTH swap if it does not have built in NFC?

I think it is a type. The OTs at present are NFC of some sort. However it must be a limited implementation at present as you cannot connect NFC to anything else.

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