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jimmy neutron 2016-01-23 15:57
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
I am going to stick to SailorGram(looks really nice)... Sick off these F**king Companies... I hope we can get a nice native securetext client... #
http://data.whicdn.com/images/7762471/large.jpg

Keeper of the Keys 2016-01-23 17:24
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
I don't remember who said it but it's so true with these things:
"If you're not paying for it; You're the product".

(Of course less true with OSS).

swordfish 2016-01-23 17:35
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Is there a native Telegram or TextSecure client for Sailfish?

itdoesntmatt 2016-01-23 17:37
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
for telegram you can use sailorgram by dax. for textsecure is not native, but i opened a thread to raise the interest about this. you could join us.

explit 2016-01-23 23:34
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt (Post 1496075)
for telegram you can use sailorgram by dax. for textsecure is not native, but i opened a thread to raise the interest about this. you could join us.
I also use Sailorgram. It has some bugs, but it works. First install Android Telegram, it will sync your contacts. Afterwards the contacts will be shown in Sailorgram. After this Android Telegram can be deleted....

HtheB 2016-01-24 02:38
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Teaser time!

http://i.imgur.com/hN03eeh.png


Soon..........

Keeper of the Keys 2016-01-24 07:21
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
I hope an option to shield contacts from WA/FB will also make it in...?

cvp 2016-01-24 09:30
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
cool news :)

and yes, FB shield for contacts and other stuff will be welcome

Keeper of the Keys 2016-01-24 09:50
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
For existing users the ship has more or less sailed probably (except for non-wa contacts they add now), but allowing us (potential new users) to choose whether or not the contacts db will be scanned would be a very decent feature.

NASDAQ 2016-01-24 11:31
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1496100)
Teaser time!
Soon..........
looks promising!

But I think I will switch completely to telegram... there are just 4 people in my contactlist left, which I have to convince to switch too. So maybe: Goodbye Whatsapp forever! ;)

WU is great, but due to the policy of FB and the power of them to change anything they want, anytime they want, we are always behind them and it is very frustrating to see, that such great people like Cepi and the other guys, who work on WU, do their best, but can't get ahead of these FB-A*******...

HtheB 2016-01-24 12:20
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NASDAQ (Post 1496119)
looks promising!

But I think I will switch completely to telegram... there are just 4 people in my contactlist left, which I have to convince to switch too. So maybe: Goodbye Whatsapp forever! ;)

WU is great, but due to the policy of FB and the power of them to change anything they want, anytime they want, we are always behind them and it is very frustrating to see, that such great people like Cepi and the other guys, who work on WU, do their best, but can't get ahead of these FB-A*******...
You're free to use whatever you want.
Too bad not everybody has this option to switch.
For me, myself... I can't cocnvinve over a hundred users to Telegram... Because mainly they already use Facebook themselfs...

explit 2016-01-24 14:17
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NASDAQ (Post 1496119)
looks promising!

But I think I will switch completely to telegram... there are just 4 people in my contactlist left, which I have to convince to switch too. So maybe: Goodbye Whatsapp forever! ;)

WU is great, but due to the policy of FB and the power of them to change anything they want, anytime they want, we are always behind them and it is very frustrating to see, that such great people like Cepi and the other guys, who work on WU, do their best, but can't get ahead of these FB-A*******...
6 month before i had 4 Telegram contacts, now i have 54. It is much less then the amount of my WA Contacts (250), but i have also switched completly. WA suxxx!

DrYak 2016-01-24 20:40
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1496100)
Teaser time!
Soon..........
Did the Forest Cat that you randomly encountered in forest and who showed you this surprising screen (of which we of course have no idea what it could be about) tell you..

- ..how far until a download link magically pops-up here (without anyone having an idea why) ?

- ..and speaking of un-identified animals did the Forest Cat manage to invite an Axolotl or not yet ?

Thanks to no one in particular as nobody is listening to us, I just felt like wanting to thank some anonymous trees I've met in the forest.

;-)

richdb 2016-01-25 07:56
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Even the android WA client sucks, More people have the problem that messages arrives late (after 2 or 3 hours)? Not useable this way.
And i wish all my contacts moved to Telegram, but they don't, I ask so many times.

pett 2016-01-25 08:32
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richdb (Post 1496224)
Even the android WA client sucks, More people have the problem that messages arrives late (after 2 or 3 hours)? Not useable this way.
And i wish all my contacts moved to Telegram, but they don't, I ask so many times.
Not that telegram works perfectly, has sometimes the same issues

247 2016-01-25 09:16
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pett (Post 1496229)
Not that telegram works perfectly, has sometimes the same issues
talked with sailorgram dev...there are some updates coming with lot of work under the hood ;)

tetris11_ 2016-01-25 09:24
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by explit (Post 1496137)
6 month before i had 4 Telegram contacts, now i have 54. It is much less then the amount of my WA Contacts (250), but i have also switched completly. WA suxxx!

I started writing a bug report to Dax about SailorGram not detecting my contact list. Upon installing the Android version, I stopped the report because it was then that I realised literally 0 of my contacts use Telegram.

This will be a long transition ...

gaelic 2016-01-25 10:19
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
I don't understand why I should switch from the "Devil" aka Whatsapp to the "Beelzebub" aka Telegram.
Both systems have been and are criticised, Telegram for example for the obscure Encryption, centralized non open Servers and strong ties to russian VK.

If I were to switch it must be a really good system like Textsecure as it is a lot of effort to bring my contacts to switch as well. I don't wanna do that more than one time.

tetris11_ 2016-01-25 10:45
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
well it's been said a few times - but the general summary is that whatsapp is unreliable, the telegram guy isnt as evil as everyone makes out, and textsecure/signal is too hard to port over.

I mean they're all reasonably iffy, but Telegram seems to be the one that works

itdoesntmatt 2016-01-25 10:47
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
why not signal? is it more difficult to port?

carepack 2016-01-25 10:56
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
@gaelic
right.

@testri11_
?????
What's the prob?
-libaxolotl was ported by coderus. so we have them
-signal client is available for ubuntu phone

so a experienced delevoper can / could implement this. I doesn't say it's easy. But we have a lot of requirements. Ubuntu is usin qml and go. Qml is used by sailfish also.

So why too hard to port over?

a lot of non serious informations are in this thread!

the telegram guy isnt as evil as everyone makes out
then code it youreself...

pagis 2016-01-25 11:01
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic (Post 1496242)
I don't understand why I should switch from the "Devil" aka Whatsapp to the "Beelzebub" aka Telegram.
Both systems have been and are criticised, Telegram for example for the obscure Encryption, centralized non open Servers and strong ties to russian VK.

If I were to switch it must be a really good system like Textsecure as it is a lot of effort to bring my contacts to switch as well. I don't wanna do that more than one time.
The reality is that WA does not have an API open for 3dr party clients, they actually fight them, e.g. developers were forced to abandon those projects. At the same time WA is not interested to provide us a native WA client for SFOS.

Telegram is different, sailorgram is a native client telegram app, the app is very active at the moment and getting better, and it is not threatened by telegram.

Hopefully we might have more native IM clients for Textsecutre, Threema, etc.

gaelic 2016-01-25 11:41
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pagis (Post 1496250)
The reality is that WA does not have an API open for 3dr party clients, they actually fight them, e.g. developers were forced to abandon those projects. At the same time WA is not interested to provide us a native WA client for SFOS.
True, but i was not talking about the API, the drawbacks with telegram are there. It is slightly better than WA, but still awful compared to Textsecure.

kneeli 2016-01-25 11:50
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetris11_ (Post 1496245)
well it's been said a few times - but the general summary is that whatsapp is unreliable, the telegram guy isnt as evil as everyone makes out, and textsecure/signal is too hard to port over.

I mean they're all reasonably iffy, but Telegram seems to be the one that works
I do not need anything else but XMPP, but folks, all people I do know, even those I do not know yet, just use WA.

So takling about telegram does not help at all here. Using android nativ wa is not an alternative for me, just WU or nothing of these idiot clients.

HtheB 2016-01-25 13:05
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Another update time guys!

Download Whatsup0.2-6
(Click on the orange DOWNLOAD NOW button)

Or on OpenRepos.net
https://openrepos.net/content/htheb/whatsup-sailfish-os

Changelog:
- Fixed connection problems
- Fixed registration

Special thanks goes to ceene for this release!

Have fun!

Don't forget to donate in-app if you like the update (and if you would love that Whatsup is still maintained :) )

DrYak 2016-01-25 13:17
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Well there's always Matrix as a better alternative to WhatsApp and Telegram if you find those too much Devil & Beelzebub.
- Matrix is opensource (just like Telegram, not like WhatsApp),
- Marix uses the more stable and proven Axolotl cryptography (like WhatsApp, OpenSecure, etc. not like Telegram's own home-made stuff)
- Matrix doesn't require a new handle, but you can find users based on the coordinates (Number, Facebook ID, etc.) that you already know (unlike XMPP/Jabber. A bit like phone numbers help WhatsApp)
- Matrix servers are opensource too and federated (unlike Telegram. But like IRC and XMPP)
Matrix wants to basically be the "next gen" XMPP/Jabber (with easier search of contacts, support for distributed message log, modern encryption, and some SPAM prevention).

If WhatsApp manage to pisses their users with the whole "Now it's free thanks to sponsored content" fiasco, maybe it's a potential successor, next to Telegram.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pagis (Post 1496250)
Telegram is different, sailorgram is a native client telegram app, the app is very active at the moment and getting better, and it is not threatened by telegram.
Telegram has opensource their client code. Only their servers are proprietary.
So of course it's way easier to develop for it, rather than getting sued into oblivion as soon as look in the general direction of its protocol - in the case of WhatsApp.

(That's why we're stuck waiting for links magically appearing in this thread, where also some forest cats wander. Not that any of us forum knows anything about those cats...)

Speaking of which cats: thank you for your work. Not that we know anything of it.

NASDAQ 2016-01-25 13:33
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Great! :D
Just one Question: The e2e-encryption-problem with iPhone users wasn't solved, or was it? No complaint, just asking.

HtheB 2016-01-25 14:21
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NASDAQ (Post 1496269)
Great! :D
Just one Question: The e2e-encryption-problem with iPhone users wasn't solved, or was it? No complaint, just asking.
It MIGHT solve it, but it's not been tested.

NASDAQ 2016-01-25 14:45
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Unfortunately it doesn't solve it. Main point is, we got connection!

kneeli 2016-01-25 16:21
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1496265)

Don't forget to donate
done :-)

DrYak 2016-01-25 17:02
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1496265)
Another update time guys!
(...)
Don't forget to donate in-app if you like the update (and if you would love that Whatsup is still maintained :) )
Thanks for the work to the forest cats.
I'll send some thuna fish to the cats as soon as possible...

Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1496265)
You mean, like a *real* download on a *public* website that is integrated with warehouse/zypper/other package manager?
What did happen? The WA lawyers are still on vacation?
Or did Facebook calm them down once they took WA over ?

Mikkosssss 2016-01-25 17:23
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Group chat needed bit time to start working.
First I didint get messages at all, then from one person and then from all.

Will donate too when I get some funds to my paypal account.

richdb 2016-01-25 17:42
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkosssss (Post 1496305)
Group chat needed bit time to start working.
First I didint get messages at all, then from one person and then from all.

Will donate too when I get some funds to my paypal account.
Are you sure? And how long waiting? i got the idea I not get any message from a group. I see that someone is typing but not see the message they send.
First thought that I cannot see any message from IPhones in the group.

Mikkosssss 2016-01-25 17:58
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richdb (Post 1496308)
Are you sure? And how long waiting? i got the idea I not get any message from a group. I see that someone is typing but not see the message they send.
First thought that I cannot see any message from IPhones in the group.
I rebooted once and then restarted client bit after. Both friends in chat use android.
Just randomly started getting messages from another friend after few messages.

richdb 2016-01-25 18:02
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Got more people with the same behaviour. You get messages in a group, but after you type a message yourself. After that you not get any message in that group. Looks like a bug.

Wallace 2016-01-25 18:09
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Is it still so that if you used Android WA you can not cange to this?

richdb 2016-01-25 18:46
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallace (Post 1496312)
Is it still so that if you used Android WA you can not cange to this?
Change to what? Wu?

HtheB 2016-01-25 19:33
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallace (Post 1496312)
Is it still so that if you used Android WA you can not cange to this?
You could yes

richdb 2016-01-25 20:03
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 25-01-2016]
 
@HtheB is that group behaviour a bug?

stocco 2016-01-25 20:25
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Whatsup on Jolla [UPDATED 7-11-2015]
 
Muito obrigado HtheB. Tenho muito contatos no Whatsapp que dificilmente iram usar Telegram.


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