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- JollaC & Intex Aqua Fish (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64)

- - Jolla C (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96775)

r0kk3rz

2016-07-22 08:52

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eminem (Post 1510388)

I think Aqua Fish got it. Jolla C not.

It's *supposed* to have it, but it was also *supposed* to be a SnapDeal exclusive with the SnapDeal Partner Screen...

What has actually been shipped to customers?

mosen

2016-07-22 09:17

Re: Jolla C

Aquafish got an indian streaming client called Ganaa as partnerspace. It is removable ;)

Fellfrosch

2016-07-22 09:30

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1510359)

And by the way, I got the Jolla C and yeah, it has neither a compass nor a gyroscope. Can't find a difference in performance compared to Sbj, and the kernel is pretty old too -- 3.10. Quite unimpressed so far.
Not worth losing the hwkb at all, at least for me.

The missing compass and gyroscope is really a huge let down for me. Will have to see, if I switch to Jolla C as my daily driver or keep it just as a backup. Still hoping for a soon coming official Sailfish Fairphone!

llelectronics

2016-07-22 10:01

Re: Jolla C

Took some shots yesterday with the phone and compared with the Jolla.
Seems like the sensor is a better one as I don't get much noise in sunlight (though could be better SNR processing only).
But the lense is horror. Softer than the Jolla one so you get blurry photos if you take a look at 100%.
Jolla in contrast produced sharper photos. Though I also think there is much more sharpening going on in post processing on the Jolla.

The aperture seems to be 2.6 instead of 2.4 like on the Jolla.
So slower and capturing less light.
AWB on Jolla C is better and tends to be more on the cooler side. I like that. Jolla one is more in the warmer (Canon like) side of things.

I think I will release another Techview VLog about it (I also did some other videos, mostly in german but I think you can get the message even if you don't understand a word)

Overall the camera is dissapointing because the lense is too soft. I have "Smartphones" here from 2010 producing better images with lesser megapixels.

mikelima

2016-07-22 10:03

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1510404)

Does it really miss the gyro and compass, or is it simply a matter of drivers? As a "reference device" I would expect it ti have all the most common accessories available.

As for normal use, I guess I can live without compass, but gyro would be missed. Or are they using a different orientation sensor?

mosen

2016-07-22 10:04

Re: Jolla C

are you ok when i translate/transcript some subtitels for the latest Jolla c video? It is awesome and i guess non german viewers would like to understand to.

llelectronics

2016-07-22 10:05

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1510410)

are you ok when i translate/transcript some subtitels for the latest Jolla c video? It is awesome and i guess non german viewers would like to understand to.

Yeah you can do that :)
That would be awesome

edit:
Maybe I can also record the next videos in english aswell. I guess the target audience should understand this universal language :)

mosen

2016-07-22 10:06

Re: Jolla C

nice, will do this evening!

Edit, do so! Have no fear, your english is perfectly understandable!

mosen

2016-07-22 10:15

Re: Jolla C

could please someone post the unaltered content of

Code:

cat /sys/devices/soc.0/1c00000.qcom,kgsl-3d0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/devfreq/governor

from Jolla C?

I set it to performance but did not store the original content.

REASON:
I think to have a major bug on 2.0.3.11.
Every ended call freezes the Phone completely for me.

The govenor is the only thing i changed, everything else is stock , no patchmanager installed.

And on the brighter side, is it a change in 2.0.3.11 that after a call ends, the last active app is now brought up front again?
I was navigating and got a call. after it ended the navi came up again but crashes do to above described bug.

EDIT, ok it is "msm-adreno-tz", found the file i backuped it to.

llelectronics

2016-07-22 10:30

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1510414)

could please someone post the unaltered content of

Code:

cat /sys/devices/soc.0/1c00000.qcom,kgsl-3d0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/devfreq/governor

from Jolla C?

I set it to performance but did not store the original content.

Code:

msm-adreno-tz

anidel

2016-07-22 10:31

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1510414)

could please someone post the unaltered content of

Code:

cat /sys/devices/soc.0/1c00000.qcom,kgsl-3d0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/devfreq/governor

from Jolla C?

I set it to performance but did not store the original content.

REASON:
I think to have a major bug on 2.0.3.11.
Every ended call crashes the Phone completely for me.

The govenor is the only thing i changed, everything else is stock , no patchmanager installed.

And on the brighter side, is it a change in 2.0.3.11 that after a call ends, the last active app is now brought up front again?
I was navigating and got a call. after it ended the navi came up again but crashes do to above described bug.

EDIT, ok it is "msm-adreno-tz", found the file i backuped it to.

Code:

msm-adreno-tz

Ops, so your updated reply later.

mosen

2016-07-22 10:56

Re: Jolla C

Thanks LL and anidel, yes i found the text file i had open on my desktop in the same seconds you posted, too many virtual desktops :p

But that did not change the behaviour.

A call comes in, if i accept and talk, the whole phone freezes after i hung up
.
If i let it ring until the other side hangs up, Freeze.

Only if i silence and then reject the call, all stays fine.

During some tests i found out that the sim in second sim slot does only work for data, even when i deativate Sim1 in settings, calls to sim2 number are not shown. may be related.

What to do now, anybody with the same experience?
I do not want to be flamed again for testing unreleased versions and report bugs that propably do not exist in final early access anyway.

But it could be usefull to not try recovery or updating again so the bug can be investigated imho. Where to report?

EDIT: i asked in Jolla C thread but due to unofficial version it is more fitting to further discuss in 2.0.3.11 thread i think.

EDIT, problem solved, was related to rockpool, not system version :D

anidel

2016-07-22 12:05

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1510418)

Thanks LL and anidel, yes i found the text file i had open on my desktop in the same seconds you posted, too many virtual desktops :p

But that did not change the behaviour.

A call comes in, if i accept and talk, the whole phone crashes after i hung up
.
If i let it ring until the other side hangs up, crash.

Only if i silence and then reject the call, all stays fine.

During some tests i found out that the sim in second sim slot does only work for data, even when i deativate Sim1 in settings, calls to sim2 number are not shown. may be related.

What to do now, anybody with the same experience?
I do not want to be flamed again for testing unreleased versions and report bugs that propably do not exist in final early access anyway.

But it could be usefull to not try recovery or updating again so the bug can be investigated imho. Where to report?

EDIT: i asked in Jolla C thread but due to unofficial version it is more fitting to further discuss in 2.0.3.11 thread i think.

removed, replying on the other thread.

sponka

2016-07-22 12:26

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 1510380)

Jolla C battery life so far has been excellent compared to the Jolla phone.
Performance wise, it's been a great improvement too. It is much snappier.

Haven't played much (waiting for weekend), but my experience is opposite -- battery drops faster, I don't see any performance improvement (ie. faster scrolling, opening apps, overall performance feeling), have installed android support and use c:geo for geocaching with offline maps -- scrolling and zooming offline maps are waaay faster on J1. Jolla C also don't find my position while inside (SIM inserterd, GPS on, option for A-GPS on).

The only area I can confirm that Jolla C is faster is startup :p

I also can't install slovenian keyboard from OpenRepos, it depends on "keyboard-custom-common package" which is not found :(

javispedro

2016-07-22 13:05

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelima (Post 1510409)

Does it really miss the gyro and compass, or is it simply a matter of drivers?

No way to know for sure.

In the meanwhile I've noticed that aliendalvik seems to pass a fixed "0 deg." compass reading to Android programs rather than a "missing compass" value. Annoying.

After playing a bit with it...

The performance under Gentoo/XFCE chroot is just slightly slower than the SbJ, so that's good. The extra cores do help when compiling.

I can't find a difference in performance with the builtin apps; even the browser seems to take exactly the same time for rendering than the Sbj. Why would it be different? The cores are slightly slower, the eMMC seems to have almost identical performance, and I never had problems with RAM on the Sbj (at this point, I am running XFCE AND the sailfish-browser and I still have 1GB free, including caches).

ext4 is surprisingly _much_ more performing on the eMMC, though, so booting is a lot quicker.
However, separate / and /home partitions??????? Optification is back?

Sunlight readability slightly improved, albeit today it was slightly cloudy here.

clovis86

2016-07-22 13:44

Re: Jolla C

is it just me or when clicking on a link in a mail for example, the browser now open a new tab each time ( keeping already opened tabs intact )

lal	2016-07-22 13:49

Re: Jolla C

@r0kk3rz, yes, the carousel has three screens on aqua fish - home, events and gaana (a music streaming platform) And that is an android app there! I hoped to see a natively developed Gaana app at least, although I will seldom use it. It is like a big frozen cover occupying a whole screen. It becomes active only if that special cover is selected by touching. To add to the frustration, ads keep cycling if i run gaanainto . That is expected behaviour though!

@mosen, removable? I'll be much interested to give that a try. Couldn't find the option to uninstall gaana, the app is hidden everwhere else!

seiichiro0185

2016-07-22 13:50

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1510432)

is it just me or when clicking on a link in a mail for example, the browser now open a new tab each time ( keeping already opened tabs intact )

Yes, this is new behaviour since SFOS 2.0.2.x :)

ajalkane

2016-07-22 13:58

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponka (Post 1510426)

For me applications launch a bit faster than on J1, most dramatic speed up is for launching camera. Of course it's hard to say if it's because of the OS version, as my J1 is on older version. Overall I'm very pleased with Jolla C and it is definite improvement compared to J1 for my use cases. I can't comment on battery as I have not had enough experience. My gut feeling is that it's at least as good as on J1.

For improving performance, you might want to try setting governor to performance as per this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=742

With that, I notice performance improvement in many parts of the UI and haven't noticed battery drainage due to it.

mosen

2016-07-22 13:59

Re: Jolla C

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lal (Post 1510434)

@mosen, removable? I'll be much interested to give that a try. Couldn't find the option to uninstall gaana, the app is hidden everwhere else!

It should be visible as Ganaa in Aptoide or any other Android Store ;)
If that is somehow not the case, ask Narender Singh on "Jolla Pioneer Fans". He succesfully did it.

sponka

2016-07-22 14:10

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1510437)

Updated from 2.0.2.43 to 2.0.2.45 and later to 2.0.3.11 -- I actually didn't notice much difference during normal operation.

My plan is to downgrade during weekend and hopefully will have more time to play & test, including performance tests :)

lal	2016-07-22 14:22

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1510438)

It should be visible as Ganaa in Aptoide or any other Android Store ;)
If that is somehow not the case, ask Narender Singh on "Jolla Pioneer Fans". He succesfully did it.

Wow! That was easy and smooth! Uninstalled from Aptoid :D Many thanks!

MartinK

2016-07-22 15:20

Re: Jolla C

Haven't used my Jolla C that much as I'm still in the process of copying & migrating stuff, but my experience so far is positive. :)

The device feels much more responsive and it seems like you can yet again properly multitask without oomkiller ruining the show all the time. :)

Also the screen IMHO work much better than the Jolla 1 one - much better visibility in averse light conditions.

The main donwsides are IMHO probably the missing TOH interface and missing magnetic compass & gyro sensors - which effectively preclude using most AR apps. But oh well. :)

lal	2016-07-24 17:09

Re: Jolla C

Can someone confirm this, Jolla C/AquaFush is missing nfs support.

#modinfo nfs returns Error for me.

javispedro

2016-07-24 17:28

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by lal (Post 1510634)

Can someone confirm this, Jolla C/AquaFush is missing nfs support.

Yes.

Code:

# CONFIG_NFS_FS is not set

# CONFIG_NFSD is not set

And missing kernel source package to boot. Did anyone ask for the sources DVD already?

r0kk3rz

2016-07-24 18:07

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1510453)

Also the screen IMHO work much better than the Jolla 1 one - much better visibility in averse light conditions.

It does seem brighter for sure, and the resolution is nice, but if you put the two side by side I would say the JPhones colours seem richer.

243kof

2016-07-24 21:02

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by synt (Post 1510162)

Yes, just change the value to performance and it will take effect immediately. You can just input

Code:

echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/soc.0/1c00000.qcom,kgsl-3d0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/devfreq/governor

with root access (devel-su) in the terminal and thats it. Though the setting doesnt persist between boots so after every boot you need to change it again.

I found it just by doing a search of the word 'governor', found the path that has 'kgsl' on it (like on Jolla1) and tried it. Not a god either :)

Does anyone know what is the best way to make this change permanent? I tried putting a script with the command above in /etc/profile.d directory but it seems to have an effect only if I open a terminal and become root.

eson	2016-07-25 07:29

Re: Jolla C

Anyone who can find a retailer for this booklet case?
I think it will suite the Jolla C almost perfect. I have one almost exact match, but the corner radius is slightly too large for the phone. The ideus one has better measures and tighter corner radius.
I've tried to find a seller for an our, but didn't succeed.
http://www.ideus.com/en/universal-bo...e-5-black.html

This is the one I'm using right now. You can see the too large radius.

http://s1.bild.me/bilder/240416/196783320160725.jpg

Eminem

2016-07-25 08:05

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by eson (Post 1510671)

This is the one I'm using right now. You can see the too large radius.

[]

How do you attach it?
On one picture then phone is rotated to show the camera.

http://s1.bild.me/bilder/240416/thum...solucion_5.jpg

eson	2016-07-25 08:14

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eminem (Post 1510672)

How do you attach it?

With an adhesive pad.

Eminem

2016-07-25 08:24

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by eson (Post 1510673)

With an adhesive pad.

Sits secure and feels safe enough to trust it to the Jolla C?

eson	2016-07-25 08:28

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eminem (Post 1510674)

Sits secure and feels safe enough to trust it to the Jolla C?

Absolutely, for the bugatti case I had to replace the original pad to a better quality one, but after that I've used it since "C-day one". :)

juiceme

2016-07-25 08:40

Re: Jolla C

So, what is the current situation with the Community Program, has everybody else except me already received their Jolla-C's ? :confused:

I just checked my order status in Jolla Shop, and it is still "On Hold"...

NokiaFanatic

2016-07-25 08:44

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by llelectronics (Post 1510408)

That is very disappointing.

eson	2016-07-25 08:47

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1510677)

has everybody else except me already received their Jolla-C's ?

I don't think they have shipped any of the 2nd batch phones yet, and probably not all 1st batch.

seiichiro0185

2016-07-25 08:50

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1510677)

I'm also still waiting (first batch, was even invited to the event), and as far as I know, some others from the first batch too. Status in Jolla Shop is still "Paid"

TMavica

2016-07-25 08:59

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1510677)

I just knew my Jolla C is on the way to JollaHK office

mrsellout

2016-07-25 09:25

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by seiichiro0185 (Post 1510680)

I'm also still waiting (first batch, was even invited to the event), and as far as I know, some others from the first batch too. Status in Jolla Shop is still "Paid"

Likewise, my order is from the first batch, and its status in the Jolla Shop is also "Paid".

synt	2016-07-25 11:22

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by 243kof (Post 1510659)

The user Armadillo wrote nice instructions on how to make a script for changing the CPU governor/minfreq on boot and you can add the GPU part in there aswell: https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-139079

Feathers McGraw

2016-07-25 13:05

Re: Jolla C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schturman (Post 1510229)

Someone know how to check in terminal if this JollaC or Jolla1 or Tablet ?
Thanks

You want /etc/hw-release, if you're using it in an app you can treat it like a settings file and look up values like this:

Code:

QSettings hwFile("/etc/hw-release", QSettings::IniFormat);

QString name = hwFile.value("NAME").toString();

qDebug() << "Name detected from /etc/hw-release is: " << name;

(from https://github.com/sam-hobbs/harbour...ledcontrol.cpp)

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