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Dead1nside 2009-09-22 01:50

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
I'm not ragging on Nokia about this because it's another feature that I'll use quite rarely. However I simply don't see why they keep missing all these features off, especially if it was in the platform previously?

vinc17 2009-09-22 01:52

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobbH (Post 331098)
The way I expect my mobile computer to exchange files with my desktop and other computers is via flash drive.

Why using a flash drive when you can transfer the files directly (by USB or wifi)?

vinc17 2009-09-22 01:54

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead1nside (Post 331102)
However I simply don't see why they keep missing all these features off, especially if it was in the platform previously?

To implement new features?

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-22 02:12

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thesandlord (Post 331092)
Listen to JayOnThaBeat!

WAIT TILL THE N900 COMES OUT!

Listen to Thesandlord when he says to listen to me!!!!

:D

bocaJ 2009-09-22 02:15

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
I'm not a nokia engineer, but my guess is that at least part of the reason for not including support is power mangement. Yes, they could have included the needed controllers to meet the USB compliance specs, but the engineers might have come back and said "if you do this, given existing battery tech, weight and dimension requirements, we will not be able to give you a full day of use."

Certainly, a lot of people here will legitimately say "this is a deal breaker for me" and mean it (unlike the compass issue, where I'm a bit disapointed, but more I think people are just blowing off steam). At the same time, if every review is saying this doesn't get nearly a day of usage, a greater number of people, with equal legitimacy, would say "this is a deal breaker".

That being said, I'm still on the fence. I've got the money, just trying to decide whether to shell out. Mostly the issue is, "hey, it's a lot of money". If Quim or GA or someone comes back and says "voila! 100% successful workaround!" I'll almost certainly pull the trigger. Without that, I'm not sure.

vkv.raju 2009-09-22 02:25

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bocaJ (Post 331114)
I'm not a nokia engineer, but my guess is that at least part of the reason for not including support is power mangement. Yes, they could have included the needed controllers to meet the USB compliance specs, but the engineers might have come back and said "if you do this, given existing battery tech, weight and dimension requirements, we will not be able to give you a full day of use."

Certainly, a lot of people here will legitimately say "this is a deal breaker for me" and mean it (unlike the compass issue, where I'm a bit disapointed, but more I think people are just blowing off steam). At the same time, if every review is saying this doesn't get nearly a day of usage, a greater number of people, with equal legitimacy, would say "this is a deal breaker".

That being said, I'm still on the fence. I've got the money, just trying to decide whether to shell out. Mostly the issue is, "hey, it's a lot of money". If Quim or GA or someone comes back and says "voila! 100% successful workaround!" I'll almost certainly pull the trigger. Without that, I'm not sure.

People will not be using this feature for whole day like what you think. It is just for the few minutes (or hours on some days) that people want to use this OTG. And most likely, this usage will be more when they are away from their computers.

And now to the battery point, I clearly don't see how this would be a problem or an issue. People who don't require it anyways are not extra-draining the battery. And for the rest, they know what they are into. No brainer!

BruceL 2009-09-22 02:32

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
I don't think that the thread should go silent. Instead, I think we should work toward looking for a solution. The question about how a script to test TESTMODE may be written is out. Perhaps someone can shed some light on that.

In addition to working toward a solution, we need to keep listening to people's disappointment. I wanted to rant before I could think about finding a solution and other people do too.

It is good to have the listen-to-disappointment thread and the find-a-solution thread be the same thread because 1) the solution can help with disappointment and 2) disappointment can help push for a solution. They are different sides of the same coin.

I'm on the find-a-solution side now, but if you're disappointed/angry whatever, community falls apart when people don't express their negative ideas as well as the positive. Let's not fall into "group think" whenever there is a problem.

Now... Any ideas on what a test TESTMODE script would look like? Would it call the OS? Use DBUS? Need a special lib file? I don;t know, but I bet someone has at least an idea.

allnameswereout 2009-09-22 02:33

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead1nside (Post 331102)
[...] I'm not ragging on Nokia about this because it's another feature that I'll use quite rarely. However I simply don't see why they keep missing all these features off, especially if it was in the platform previously?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vkv.raju (Post 331124)
[...] And now to the battery point, I clearly don't see how this would be a problem or an issue. People who don't require it anyways are not extra-draining the battery. And for the rest, they know what they are into. No brainer!

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...er/020830.html

vkv.raju 2009-09-22 02:37

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 331126)

I was thinking more in the terms of why not 2 microUSB's?

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-22 02:38

Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Like I suggested, we should wait til a decent-sized handful of people have the device in their hands.

You can't exactly fix it without having it to begin with, can you?


Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 331125)
I don't think that the thread should go silent. Instead, I think we should work toward looking for a solution. The question about how a script to test TESTMODE may be written is out. Perhaps someone can shed some light on that.

In addition to working toward a solution, we need to keep listening to people's disappointment. I wanted to rant before I could think about finding a solution and other people do too.

It is good to have the listen-to-disappointment thread and the find-a-solution thread be the same thread because 1) the solution can help with disappointment and 2) disappointment can help push for a solution. They are different sides of the same coin.

I'm on the find-a-solution side now, but if you're disappointed/angry whatever, community falls apart when people don't express their negative ideas as well as the positive. Let's not fall into "group think" whenever there is a problem.

Now... Any ideas on what a test TESTMODE script would look like? Would it call the OS? Use DBUS? Need a special lib file? I don;t know, but I bet someone has at least an idea.



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