Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I suppose you missed the part where I said I was waiting for telephony to be available in Mer?

Ofono is sponsored by Nokia. My point is that if the telephony technologies used in the n900 (also sponsored by Nokia) were open, there would be no need for this...

My point wasn't about target audiences, but rather at the availability of such release schemes.

I was only meaning to say that such a release scheme, if handled correctly, doesn't automatically make a platform unstable. Again using Arch as a point of reference, they have separate repositories (as I imagine most distros have, including Maemo) for software that is newer, but might very well break your system.

But Maemo is based on debian (and more specifically ubuntu if I recall correctly), which is why I chose them. Where as I quoted something I believed to be over-generalized, I will concede that perhaps my reply was over-specified.

Precisely the point I, and I believe others were trying to make. I just think it's absurd for a company to use things like "there are legal issues to consider", and "we don't want to release buggy code" as a crutch when others are doing so given the same constraints

They already have EULA agreements and separate and a separate repository for the proprietary apps, so what exactly is stopping them from releasing the other components early?

If they need certain versions of software for their components to work, then they can use the dependency mechanism like all other applications (eg depends python >=2.6.4 < 3.0)

Note: I know that Nokia has made no official announcements as to why there has yet to be a release, I'm just speaking hypothetically.

Note 2: Since there have never been any official announcements about a release and any discussion of a new firmware as generally been speculation, I'm not mad at all. Really, I just like discussing the possibilities or lack there of, and the rational surrounding them.

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Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

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Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 449465) I suppose you missed the part where I said I was waiting for telephony to be available in Mer?

Erm, then why do you want to have individual package updates available.

Yes, I know what oFono is, but you do realize the reason it's not included in Fremantle is that it's nowhere near ready, right? :)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

GeneralAntilles, you are quoting things out of context.

Mer and Ofono arent ready so it makes no sense in my situatuon to install it just yet. I know it isnt ready because others have said so. At thw same time, there is nothing stopping me from giving it a try.

Compare that, if you would, with the current firmware situation: there is confirmation that it resolves numerous issues, yet the general public (heck, even the more tech saavy not-so-general public) have no access to it, thus it is no longer my decision to make whether it is ready or not.

In short, its about choice and I dont particularly like having them taken away without good reason. IMHO Nokia hasnt provided a good enough one...not that I expect them to. I suppose I had higher hopes considering the direction Qt has been heading ever since Nokia bought the project.

BTW, you missed my point about ofono entirely...

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

there are people on twitter saying they can MMS.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Yes, it's pretty clear I don't get your point, but I suspect it may have to do with so misconceptions on your part.

maemo.gitoreous.org. Download, compile, done.

Quite obviously, perhaps you should do a more thorough job of explaining them in the future. . . .

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

interesting, just for my understanding
those projects and many upstream projects are pretty much the complete linux system (the os) itself?
What do we still "miss" then if we are speaking about fully open source? Some drivers?

Also modest is in garage, the same for microb
what about the media player?

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

From my understanding, the things that are still closed are the media player, phone system, and several other parts of the GUI.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

Cool, sounds easy, so if I do that I'll get the 3 USIM fix?

Seriously, if maemo.gitorious.org gets me that fix, I'll follow your instructions forthwith.

But I'm under the impression I won't find it there.

(Sadly, for the GPS problems, over on the bugtracker there still seems to be resistance to the idea that one might wish to use GPS when out of range of one's carrier's mobile signal; thus bug fix seems far away)

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

The GPS seems quite opaque too.

Re: I thought there was a firmware update this month
 

I'm pretty sure not, since that's part of the phone functionality.