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Originally Posted by Thesandlord (Post 704499)

For example, the front cam in the N900 was useless until a 3rd party made an app for it....

Funny.... mine works fine without a 3rd party app. Unless you consider skype a third party app, even though was installed in my phone from the factory.

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Originally Posted by Grok (Post 704507)

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Funny.... mine works fine without a 3rd party app. Unless you consider skype a third party app, even though was installed in my phone from the factory.

Skype is a third party app. Sure, it came preinstalled but that doesn't mean it is Nokia's. Twitter is installed on froyo, isn't it still a third party app

The screen also uses IPS technology...

http://www.macworld.com/article/1460...switching.html

Meaning it can be viewed clearly at different angles (I think).

More new features become apparent the more you read about it...

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Originally Posted by afaq (Post 704495)

Wasted my time reading all these pages of comments.

As someone said earlier, If you want to suck steves cock please go ahead. He once again has reminded you of your need to be held and hugged by the man with no substance.

Coming from the proponent of a phone (oh sorry "portable programming internet device") that is the equivalent of a vacuous iron-pumping meat-head? Okay.

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All these pages of comments and *****ing about how N900 isnt as good as the Iphone 4G require some clarification. I expect this from a symbian forum but from Meemo? seriously?

The Meego/Maemo crowd have to the most idiotic foolish motley crew of nerds I've ever seen. They literally want their wallets to be raped.

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Apple make one phone - just one. Thats it. Nokia makes hundreds

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Quality > quantity. That one phone crushes anything Nokia has even dreamt of. Nokia would drop everything they're making if they could come out with something as good as the iPhone.

Nokia doesn't care about you, all they want is your money.

But then again if you have a dedicated crowd who will burn their money at your say-so why do you have to worry about creating an innovative, modern, trendy relevant product.

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Nokia has NEVER until very recently, been behind the game. Nokia's hardware and Software was a good decade ahead of motorolla, samsung and the only company close was sony Ericsson.

All of those phones were garbage, Nokia had the monopoly on what is now the 8bit equivalent of a computer gaming system. As the hardware has gotten more sophisticated ALL of those companies have leapt ahead of Nokia who though that continuing to put out mediocre products would cut it.

Sorry, your customers aren't that gullible you sanctimonious sons of b!tches (well, aside from the N900 crew on this messaging board). You treat your customers like idiots and that's why Nokia is dying a slow death.

Just look at the laughing stock their flagship product, the N97, was. It was a complete joke made obsolete in the first 3 months of release. Shoddy design in build, an OS that was barely coherent, terrible interface the list goes on and on.

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Those criticizing meego - seriously? grow up. This is a childish rant. Meego for mobile is not even released yet and you're sharing your useless wisdom. Meego will be very different from any apple OS. It by nature, is different.

Everything Nokia has touched has turned to crap, is N900 even an officially supported device? And come back to me with that Meego garbage when we get a bloody stable edition of the current MAEMO

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There is no "myth" about nokia's approach to Openness. Just look up the "share your mod" thread and you will see what this bad boy Maemo (almost 9 month old device can do).

If you believe that you've obviously swallowed the lie hook line and sinker, the phone isn't completely open and even if it were, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, in reality, openess = *****. It isn't a feasible model for a strong product as far as hardware is concerned to be incubated in.

Nokia never had a vision for the N900 and have dumped it like a steaming pile of cow pat.

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Everyone else, please contribute respectfully or just go sell your integrity and jump on the iphone wagon. We wont miss you.

afaq talking about integrity while attacking everyone who has a legitimate gripe and argument with pure ad hominems? Why am I not surprised.

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Originally Posted by ezmendriz (Post 704506)

IMO it looks good. The screen is awsome and battery life seems good, if true.

But, same screen size, no real video chat, same storage capacity, only 5mp camera( I was expecting 8mp or better) no 4g.

In sumary: a deception, considering current competition and of coming devices. As other previously stated, Apple used to raise the bar, IMO they did not raised the bar enough, especially when they fall short comparing to others in some many areas.

Ezmendriz

But who has 4g. Evo isn't really 4g. That's just sprint marketing at work.
What is real video chat?

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Originally Posted by Grok (Post 704507)

Funny.... mine works fine without a 3rd party app. Unless you consider skype a third party app, even though was installed in my phone from the factory.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought video calls only came with Pr 1.2 or something? Thats what I mean, like everything works because Apple dictates the whole show. Which is often a bad thing (like no video cam on the 2G and 3G), but often a good thing also.

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Which is often a bad thing (like no video cam on the 2G and 3G), but often a good thing also.

Mostly I would say, a good thing. You certainly do not get the "I hate my neglected product" forums like these.

They may want your money but they will also give you back something in return. Such is the way with luxury purchases.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 704272)

Enough of the bitterness... this thread has about 10 pages of healthy conversation.

Seriously, it's not about much more than... comparing one to the other. I think it's a horribly moot point because the N900 is not Nokia's future. The iPhone is definitely Apple's future. Comparisons between the generations of phones (this gen vs. last gen) are inevitable... but honestly I'd prefer same for same.

So what is Nokia's future? MeeGo. And so far, the scant few paragraphs about the OS is all that folks have to compare to so far. I think that MeeGo/Intel/Nokia needs to take the time to talk about their product - not as a comparison, but as an educational method to explain what their goals are, what they will/will not deliver, and above all... why MeeGo is good for them.

No more lofty marketing speak. Detail what it is, how it affects the average consumer - the hard core users will be there regardless - and push a platform like they've never done before.

They need interesting and engaging evangelists and Nokia needs to do something they've not done in a while - be forthcoming with what is coming. And keep those lines of communication open.

This place doesn't need those evangelists - iTT (I mean TMO) is quite informed already. It's the masses that go "ooh" and "ahh" that need to know that something else is coming down the pipe from other vendors.

Not everybody is eligible to purchase an iPhone at lesser prices (subsidized) and most will be later in the year. Nokia needs to take advantage of that.

Hire a street team. Get the message(s) out there. Show some stuff - even if it's "beta" and push it out there. Let Arstechnica - they are in-depth and unbiased - among other places see your stuff. Say it's a work in progress. Hit up EETimes and let Intel show stuff off.

But damn. Do something Nokia.

I unfortunately think Android will put the death nail into Meego. They have the high end hardware and the low end hardware to reach all markets. They have the OS (that IMO matches the iPhone's sleakness without being jailed into a garden prison) and as time progresses they'll continue to get more and more software.

Unless hardware makers have an aversion to Android for some reason (which is pretty hard to find one since Google seems relatively "do what you want") they won't have a reason to consider Meego unless they're cautious about being in Google's grasp.

Nokia took way to long and now they have the worst competitor to deal with. Someone that can pretty much match what their plans are. And worse, they're already in the product phase while Nokia is still making starting to act out its plan.

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Originally Posted by Bourdain (Post 704513)

Coming from the proponent of a phone (oh sorry "portable programming internet device") that is the equivalent of a vacuous iron-pumping meat-head? Okay.

The Meego/Maemo crowd have to the most idiotic foolish motley crew of nerds I've ever seen. They literally want their wallets to be raped.

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Quality > quantity. That one phone crushes anything Nokia has even dreamt of. Nokia would drop everything they're making if they could come out with something as good as the iPhone.

Nokia doesn't care about you, all they want is your money.

But then again if you have a dedicated crowd who will burn their money at your say-so why do you have to worry about creating an innovative, modern, trendy relevant product.

All of those phones were garbage, Nokia had the monopoly on what is now the 8bit equivalent of a computer gaming system. As the hardware has gotten more sophisticated ALL of those companies have leapt ahead of Nokia who though that continuing to put out mediocre products would cut it.

Sorry, your customers aren't that gullible you sanctimonious sons of b!tches (well, aside from the N900 crew on this messaging board). You treat your customers like idiots and that's why Nokia is dying a slow death.

Just look at the laughing stock their flagship product, the N97, was. It was a complete joke made obsolete in the first 3 months of release. Shoddy design in build, an OS that was barely coherent, terrible interface the list goes on and on.

Everything Nokia has touched has turned to crap, is N900 even an officially supported device? And come back to me with that Meego garbage when we get a bloody stable edition of the current MAEMO

If you believe that you've obviously swallowed the lie hook line and sinker, the phone isn't completely open and even if it were, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, in reality, openess = *****. It isn't a feasible model for a strong product as far as hardware is concerned to be incubated in.

Nokia never had a vision for the N900 and have dumped it like a steaming pile of cow pat.

afaq talking about integrity while attacking everyone who has a legitimate gripe and argument with pure ad hominems? Why am I not surprised.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sir Bourdain, a true voice of the people :)
I do have one question: do you cook as well as you argue? :p

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Originally Posted by Hotshot (Post 704446)

Oh you mean data intensive on at&t crappy network? Cause mines run fine all over my city with tmobile decent 3.5g. Which I have 90% of the time and thats in building as well mate

Once people start doing 3G video chat on that network, I think you'll be see a big difference.