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@ZogG: You state that you didn't follow the submissions one by one. In fact you did, but too late. The councilors had their submission there and there was enough time to object. Checking the list and being unsatisfied with the results is easy.

@Everybody: There was a conflict of interest. Reading the submission list I was certain that all council members who nominated themselves will receive a device. I even tried to make a prediction for the results in a spreadsheet marking those I thought would get a devce in a blink and all the submitting councilors are in that list. The only reason I didn't object even though I saw it, was that they were the only ones in the list who had a democratic right for it. They have been chosen, exactly because of their past deeds by the community to represent it
I can argue forever for any other person in that list that he should, or not, receive a CA. But not for the council, as they have the absolute proof. The community votes.

And up to now, in this thread, nobody has claimed that the members of the council are unworthy of a device. All the discussion is a matter of procedure. If we did change the procedure and we do agree that council members deserve a device for their deeds, would the actual, tangible result be significantly different? No. The only difference would be that Woody would have gotten a device, and somebody else wouldn't.
So let's stop this discussion now unless someone comes here and points a council member who does not deserve a device by name. And before someone does that, please think what it does mean for the community and the democratic process.

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No. But I seriously wonder why the community device program awarded you a device, since nobody wants to update the wiki or provide minutes. You speak in a very condescending manner to anyone that you don't agree with. I sure wouldn't have voted for you.

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Only have a few minutes, so I'm replying to what I can:

I've already cited the meeting minutes where this was discussed. It was also stated in the TMO thread on this topic

It was, on many occasions. Both on TMO, in IRC, and in council meetings.

I agree on both points. To clarify, the reason I felt exempt from that was because I have just started in my role as Council, and this was for past contributions. :)

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I don't think you deserve any award. For past activity, but more important, your award submission. It was repulsive. You're the resident smart aleck - good job.

I've reported two people in two years for harmful behavior on this forum. You are one of them (although I will say your behavior did improve smartly once the award program began :) )

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AND THAT'S MORE USEFUL THAN INCEPTION HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!

Maybe I'm blind, but come on how is that possible.

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I disagree to some extent. My decision was partially based on conflict of interest, in that I did not merit an award and knew if I applied that my current position could have been cause (eg a "pity" vote).

Most on the Council have been very active community members in their own rights, both on Council and off. To say they could not apply because they volunteered to take on one of the hardest jobs you can take for this community would be wrong.

False. The rules and questions about this were in the TMO forum well before Council elections occurred. For example, this is part of a thread that started in April, dated May 5th. I'll note to you that elections for Council happened May 17th through the 23rd.

This was not something put in after Council was in place, but was actively discussed before the event.

And you know this how? Telepathic abilities? Spy drones? I note again, if it was *just me* voting, there would be only 3 differences. Are you so sure that e-yes, or yourself, would have been in that 3?

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Damn well we are, you know as well as the rest of everyone else that e-yes and itsnotabigtruck are well deserving of Community Awards.

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A satisfactory compromise from my point of view would be if the council members in question would agree to return the devices to the council if they ever leave their posts.

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Just like Nokia loaned out the original N950's?

Come on, let's be honest, no council before was given awards and this council didn't deserve them either.