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Crashdamage 2012-05-21 15:01
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Quote:
Unless some Chinese or South-Korean cell phone maker buys Nokia out for its patents and Navteq, breaks the contract with Microsoft and pays the penalty ~2 Bn€.
It would hit Microsoft hard.
M$ would NEVER let that happen.

Registered Linux user #266531. Android user since v1.0.

panjgoori 2012-05-21 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209803)
What options does nokia have?
Symbian? Too late, all bridges are blown by Elop
Maemo? Too late, all bridges are blown by Elop
WP? Going downhill at an increasing rate
Meltemi? Is there even such a thing?
S40? Could be OK for short term low end, but not for very long.
Android? Works for everyone else, why not for Nokia?
Tizen? Could work, but high risk.
Symbian: Believe it or not but Symbian is not dead yet. Give life again to Symbian by announcing more support for Symbian. Symbian is still market leader in many countries. Symbian Belle FP1 is great. Release more devices with it and with N8's camera with a reasonable price to attract more customers. Leave PureView and 41mp for high end devices.

Maemo-Meego: Still there is hope. fire Elop and return back to old strategy. And release more MeeGo/Maemo based devices to masses.

WP: Leave windows phone. Its already failing everywhere.

Meltemi: If there is a really Meltemi OS in works better release it now. Make devices with it and with specs like Low end Android devices or with better specs. and also make it better from Android+more eye fancy and eye catching than Android. It will kick every low end android device out of the market.

S40: S40 is doing pretty well in low end range. If Meltemi will take too much time in completion then Put some multi-tasking in S40 and release it with hardware's like Asha 303's one.

Android: Not every one like android. and for Nokia if they choose Android they will loose Navteq (Maps) as google will never allow Nokia to use their own maps in Android and their Store also will be lost.

Tizen: Tizen is still pretty new. If Samsung uses the same hardware with Tizen that they used in SGS III then Tizen will be a hit. It only needs development which Samsung and Intel doing pretty well. and also it now can run Android apps.

Just fire Elop and return to old strategy then everyone will be back to Normal.

Sorry for my bad english ;)

zimon 2012-05-21 16:19
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Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1210266)

Just fire Elop and return to old strategy then everyone will be back to Normal.

Sorry for my bad english ;)
There is penalties in the Microsoft+Nokia contract, so it will cost a lot Nokia to break it. It is not so simple. Microsoft and Elop played that thing cleverly and Nokia's general board were either sleeping, hypnotized or just simply stupid.

switch-hitter 2012-05-22 17:00
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Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1210281)
There is penalties in the Microsoft+Nokia contract, so it will cost a lot Nokia to break it. It is not so simple. Microsoft and Elop played that thing cleverly and Nokia's general board were either sleeping, hypnotized or just simply stupid.
As Elop was a very significant M$ shareholder at the time he signed that deal I'm sure a new CEO would want to test the validity of the agreement in court, especially in the light of every decision he's made subsequently being to the benefit of M$ and to the detriment of NOKIA.

misterc 2012-05-22 22:22
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didn't notice it a few months ago when i 1st saw it, but...
in The Sorcerer's Apprentice (2010) a NOKIA shop stays out prominently (even though completely statically).
no way it could have happened without NOKIA agreeing to it.
maybe there is still some magic left?!? :D

danramos 2012-05-23 00:35
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Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1210266)
Android: Not every one like android. and for Nokia if they choose Android they will loose Navteq (Maps) as google will never allow Nokia to use their own maps in Android and their Store also will be lost.
I've seen this, or similar "Google would never allow a similar app" arguments, at least a couple of times on here before. I don't understand where this comes from. Where did you read that Google would never allow that? Where have you seen such a trend? I can point out to you at LEAST a few examples of exactly the opposite: Verizon replaces Google search/maps/etc with Bing, Amazon's Kindle Fire replaced the Android Market/Play store with their own, Nook's devices (even my eInk Nook Touch) all run on Android and NONE of them have the Android Market/Play store, etc. So far, I haven't seen Google make even a PEEP about it much less try to stop that behavior. In fact, near as I can tell, they're quite happy to let anybody customize their operating system.

Is there a reason why Nokia couldn't have their own crappy store for Android and put out their own customized maps application? Hell--any reason why they can't just make both of those available to ANYONE's devices, even not their own, just to profit from store sales and ads on their Navteq map application? I'm pretty sure Android would save their butts *AND* it wouldn't exclude them from doing other things as well *AND STILL* even then make a profit (as Amazon did even before the Kindle Fire) with their own app store on devices they didn't even make.

Please, share what you know. As far as I can tell, Nokia are myopic, mental midgets for not at LEAST considering Android in addition to, or instead of, Microsoft's offering but I get the feeling that was the whole point of putting Balmer's poop-eating grinning lapdog in as the new CEO.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1211015)
didn't notice it a few months ago when i 1st saw it, but...
in The Sorcerer's Apprentice (2010) a NOKIA shop stays out prominently (even though completely statically).
no way it could have happened without NOKIA agreeing to it.
maybe there is still some magic left?!? :D
It's called 'product placement' and Nokia likely helped to pay some small part of the film's production for that placement. Similarly, you can prominently see 'ATARI' in the background of the epic classic Bladerunner. It hardly stands as much reason to think that ATARI made it that far into the future when we all know the company that Nolan Bushnell created back in the 70's pretty much disappeared sometime in the early 90's and what's left are bits and pieces here and there owned by various companies with the Atari Corp name sold to Infogrames Interactive and the Atari Games name sold to WMS (Williams/Bally/Midway). That company, the one that made it into Bladerunner, is gone. Dispersed out into component pieces somewhere out there in the world. I suspect, at this rate, the same might be said for Nokia soon.

Lumiaman 2012-05-23 02:05
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Your lovely Symbian just sank Nokia brand from being 20 or so in 2009 to being nothing thereafter.....

http://brandirectory.com/league_tabl...lobal-500-2012

misterc 2012-05-23 04:36
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1211110)
Your lovely Symbian just sank Nokia brand from being 20 or so in 2009 to being nothing thereafter.....

http://brandirectory.com/league_tabl...lobal-500-2012
you got that one nearly right :rolleyes:
you should have written
Flop & m$'s crappy product... :|

EDIT: Symbian is actually the last chance for NOKIA to turn it around and have a future :cool:

Joseph9560 2012-05-23 06:15
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Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1210266)
Symbian: Believe it or not but Symbian is not dead yet. Give life again to Symbian by announcing more support for Symbian. Symbian is still market leader in many countries. Symbian Belle FP1 is great. Release more devices with it and with N8's camera with a reasonable price to attract more customers. Leave PureView and 41mp for high end devices.

Maemo-Meego: Still there is hope. fire Elop and return back to old strategy. And release more MeeGo/Maemo based devices to masses.

WP: Leave windows phone. Its already failing everywhere.

Meltemi: If there is a really Meltemi OS in works better release it now. Make devices with it and with specs like Low end Android devices or with better specs. and also make it better from Android+more eye fancy and eye catching than Android. It will kick every low end android device out of the market.

S40: S40 is doing pretty well in low end range. If Meltemi will take too much time in completion then Put some multi-tasking in S40 and release it with hardware's like Asha 303's one.

Android: Not every one like android. and for Nokia if they choose Android they will loose Navteq (Maps) as google will never allow Nokia to use their own maps in Android and their Store also will be lost.

Tizen: Tizen is still pretty new. If Samsung uses the same hardware with Tizen that they used in SGS III then Tizen will be a hit. It only needs development which Samsung and Intel doing pretty well. and also it now can run Android apps.

Just fire Elop and return to old strategy then everyone will be back to Normal.

Sorry for my bad english ;)
Almost what I want to say.

switch-hitter 2012-05-23 07:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1211110)
Your lovely Symbian just sank Nokia brand from being 20 or so in 2009 to being nothing thereafter.....

http://brandirectory.com/league_tabl...lobal-500-2012
If you buy into that kind of 'analysis' NOKIA are still a very big brand in Asia:

http://consult.nikkeibp.co.jp/consul...ages/hyo01.gif

Personally I see sales figures as rather more concrete evidence and sales of Symbian devices were huge and still growing prior to Elop's brain fart.

I understand if you extrapolate what NOKIA were doing before Elop's execution of Symbian and compare that to what they are doing now you have a deficit of around 70 million devices so far.

Even if Symbian was the problem WP7 clearly isn't the solution.

Lumiaman 2012-05-23 10:18
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1211207)
If you buy into that kind of 'analysis' NOKIA are still a very big brand in Asia:

http://consult.nikkeibp.co.jp/consul...ages/hyo01.gif

Personally I see sales figures as rather more concrete evidence and sales of Symbian devices were huge and still growing prior to Elop's brain fart.

I understand if you extrapolate what NOKIA were doing before Elop's execution of Symbian and compare that to what they are doing now you have a deficit of around 70 million devices so far.

Even if Symbian was the problem WP7 clearly isn't the solution.

The downward trend began before Elop. Competition got too tough for Nokia to survive. Windows is not a bad choice, except that Symbian is disappearing faster than originally thought. Ordinary people don't read what CEOs blabber, they go and buy best devices in the shop. Symbian was a big loser and Nokia board new it and saw precipitous drops in figures before hiring Elop. They didnt act fast enough . Too complacent.

GrimyHR 2012-05-23 11:04
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1211256)
The downward trend began before Elop. Competition got too tough for Nokia to survive. Windows is not a bad choice, except that Symbian is disappearing faster than originally thought. Ordinary people don't read what CEOs blabber, they go and buy best devices in the shop. Symbian was a big loser and Nokia board new it and saw precipitous drops in figures before hiring Elop. They didnt act fast enough . Too complacent.
nokia was selling more and more symbian devices every quarter even after elop came, right up to the elops anouncement that he is killing it, and that is a FACT

you must be confusing, like some other idiots, market share with sales numbers, which was declining because market was growing faster than symbian was, and that was a normal situation because symbian was such a giant and it is a fact that smaller you are the faster you can grow until some point which is around 15% for ios, 30% for android, 2% for WP and if elop didnt fu.ck up symbian it would have almost all of the rest still

gerbick 2012-05-23 14:52
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Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1211275)
you must be confusing...market share with sales numbers, which was declining because market was growing faster than symbian was...
Excuse my editing of your post; however it boils down to a few things and this is a major contributor to why Nokia wasn't seen as expanding and "on the ball" (able to counter new demands and new trends).

The newer smartphone market was asking for something different and Nokia hadn't made it there yet. So iOS and Android filled that gap.

That's the true definition of a missed opportunity.

specc 2012-05-23 16:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1211275)
nokia was selling more and more symbian devices every quarter even after elop came, right up to the elops anouncement that he is killing it, and that is a FACT

you must be confusing, like some other idiots, market share with sales numbers, which was declining because market was growing faster than symbian was, and that was a normal situation because symbian was such a giant and it is a fact that smaller you are the faster you can grow until some point which is around 15% for ios, 30% for android, 2% for WP and if elop didnt fu.ck up symbian it would have almost all of the rest still
Doesn't matter. Today Nokia has killed Symbian for good. I guess mr Elop didn't like the PureView 808, so he had to do something to kill it off.

danramos 2012-05-24 06:50
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1211433)
Doesn't matter. Today Nokia has killed Symbian for good. I guess mr Elop didn't like the PureView 808, so he had to do something to kill it off.
Elop shoots Symbian dead for good.

Lumiaman 2012-05-29 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1211275)
nokia was selling more and more symbian devices every quarter even after elop came, right up to the elops anouncement that he is killing it, and that is a FACT

you must be confusing, like some other idiots, market share with sales numbers, which was declining because market was growing faster than symbian was, and that was a normal situation because symbian was such a giant and it is a fact that smaller you are the faster you can grow until some point which is around 15% for ios, 30% for android, 2% for WP and if elop didnt fu.ck up symbian it would have almost all of the rest still
Dude, you dont see data that the Board and insiders see. They knew that Symbian was dead. They were grasping for alternatives. They were in many ways more visionary that RIM, which I think will belly up soon. NOKIA will survive, but by the slightest of margins. the stock will be $10 in 18 months, $20 in 24 months.

misterc 2012-05-30 17:50
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1214630)
Dude, you dont see data that the Board and insiders see. They knew that Symbian was dead. They were grasping for alternatives. They were in many ways more visionary that RIM, which I think will belly up soon. NOKIA will survive, but by the slightest of margins. the stock will be $10 in 18 months, $20 in 24 months.
stock will only climb from 10 to 20 bucks if they stop wasting their time & resources on m$ crap before 18 months & make the best of the Symbian bounce 'til then :rolleyes:

switch-hitter 2012-05-30 21:20
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1214630)
Dude, you dont see data that the Board and insiders see. They knew that Symbian was dead. They were grasping for alternatives.
What data? Be specific or stop blowing smoke out of your 4r53.

Furthermore if NOKIA's board are so damned prescient how did they fail to foresee what a catastrophic disaster WP7 would be?

You didn't even need to have special-magic-moonbeam-data only available to the board and insiders to predict WP7 would be a flop - Samsung, HTC and LG had all already tried and failed to sell nice hardware running WP7. Being a flop was by far the most likely outcome.

gerbick 2012-05-30 22:30
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1215197)
...4r53...
This ^^ took me a moment to decipher. Bravo, well done.

danramos 2012-05-31 06:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1214630)
Dude, you dont see data that the Board and insiders see. They knew that Symbian was dead. They were grasping for alternatives. They were in many ways more visionary that RIM, which I think will belly up soon. NOKIA will survive, but by the slightest of margins. the stock will be $10 in 18 months, $20 in 24 months.
Dude, you do realize most people have been mentioning Nokia with RIM in the same breath lately, right? Just saying, dude.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1215227)
This ^^ took me a moment to decipher. Bravo, well done.
Srlsy? Don't you read 1337?

cheve 2012-05-31 18:21
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1211256)
The downward trend began before Elop. Competition got too tough for Nokia to survive. Windows is not a bad choice, except that Symbian is disappearing faster than originally thought. Ordinary people don't read what CEOs blabber, they go and buy best devices in the shop. Symbian was a big loser and Nokia board new it and saw precipitous drops in figures before hiring Elop. They didnt act fast enough . Too complacent.
an analysis of the high WP sale:http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...er-bs-sto.html

misterc 2012-06-01 00:29
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Originally Posted by cheve (Post 1215602)
that NOKIA China exe ("COO"...) suffers the same tunnel vision as Flop... only wp7 (out-)sells (everything else) and we ("NOKIA") have to stop immediately manufacturing or selling or even thinking anything else :@
whenever they see NOKIA sales figures, they think Lumia sales... brain dead :mad:

from the rustling leaves one might wonder whether 808 PV is going to outsell the 1st month all Lumia devices sales since the line was introduced... ¦-)))))

but the N9 without any marketing support is probably even outselling Lumias, thus... no feat, alas :(

danramos 2012-06-01 09:56
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http://rlv.zcache.com/last_person_to...4b777r_400.jpg

misterc 2012-06-01 20:05
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Google Files Complaint in Europe Against Microsoft, Nokia

floppy is going to get reformated >¦-)

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The complaint focuses on a transfer Nokia and Microsoft made last year of some 2,000 patents and patent applications to Mosaid Technologies Inc., a Canadian company known for its patent litigation, said Jim Prosser, a spokesman for Google. Most of the patents relate to industry standards for wireless technology, and Microsoft has publicly pledged it wouldn’t use such patents to block competitors from the market.

“Nokia and Microsoft are colluding to raise the costs of mobile devices for consumers, creating patent trolls that side- step promises both companies have made,” Mountain View, California-based Google said in an e-mailed statement, using a pejorative term for companies that use patents only to demand royalties rather than to make products.

“They should be held accountable, and we hope our complaint spurs others to look into these practices,” Google said.

Microsoft and Nokia get a share of any proceeds Mosaid raises from licensing the patents.

Google’s complaint may prompt an investigation by the same European Union antitrust authority that is probing Google’s Motorola Mobility over its use of so-called standard-essential patents in litigation against Microsoft and Apple Inc. The EU investigations were triggered by complaints by those two companies.

’Frivolous’ Complaint

A copy of Google’s complaint wasn’t available.

Antoine Colombani, a spokesman for the European Commission in Brussels, confirmed that regulators had received the filing and said they would examine it.

Nokia hasn’t yet seen the “frivolous” complaint, Mark Durrant, a spokesman for Nokia, said in an e-mailed statement. Nokia has made several patent divestments over the past five years and has transferred any commitments for standard-essential patents to the acquirer while existing licenses for the patent continue, he said.

“Had Google asked us, we would have been happy to confirm this, which could then have avoided them wasting the commission’s time and resources,” Durrant said. “Google’s suggestion that Nokia and Microsoft are colluding on intellectual property rights is wrong. Both companies have their own IPR portfolios and strategies and operate independently.”

Nokia had been the world’s largest handset manufacturer, only to see its market share eroded by competition from Apple’s iPhone and devices that run on Google’s Android operating system. Last year, Espoo, Finland-based Nokia agreed to switch from its own Symbian and Meego operating systems to Microsoft’s Windows Phone platform.

Companies get together to establish standards so that products can work together, such as for Wi-Fi, video compression or digital transmissions. Those that help establish the standards pledge to license their patents on fair and reasonable terms.

Dueling Claims

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft has criticized Motorola Mobility, which Google acquired earlier this month, for its use of standard-essential patents to seek orders that would block sales of Microsoft’s products. The software maker is awaiting a judge’s ruling on claims Motorola Mobility breached its obligations.

Patents have become a central weapon in the global battle over market share for smartphones and tablet computers, with billions of dollars being spent to buy patents, and lawsuits being filed across four continents.

Earlier this month, Nokia filed patent-infringement complaints in the U.S. and Germany against HTC Corp. (2498) over its Android phones and against ViewSonic Corp., which makes tablet computers that run on Android.

Mosaid hasn’t seen Google’s complaint and so couldn’t comment, said Michael Salter, a Mosaid spokesman. The company was taken private in December in a transaction led by Chicago- based Sterling Partners.

Mosaid’s Core Wireless unit, which holds the patents obtained from Microsoft and Nokia, filed a patent suit in February against Apple over some of the standard-essential patents.

Mosaid sold five patent families for $11 million in September. Google was later identified as the buyer.
:|

danramos 2012-06-02 07:23
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http://dazzwireless.com/wp-content/p...-story-top.jpg
Elop: "What was that? Google's reported us to the governing bodies for collusion?"

http://www.n-tv.de/img/35/3545201/O_...80_RTXXQ6T.jpg
Elop: "Trust us! We would never do that! Microsoft's success has never been based on such flagrant violations of ethics!"
Balmer: [thinking, "WTF??"]

danramos 2012-06-04 03:44
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What do YOU think Microsoft will do to Nokia? ;)
I't s like Microsoft birds, watching over the Nokia car!
Once Elop is done pretending to wash it up and finally walks away...
http://i.imgur.com/SUSwT.gif

danramos 2012-06-17 05:10
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From this excellent article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...-end-line.htm:
‘Our influence on the first Windows Mobile devices is limited,’ admits Mark Squires, communications director at Nokia UK.

‘But we’re already putting little Nokia bits in. For the next update in 2012 you will see tight integration of Nokia and Microsoft – our hardware and services – for something quite unique.’

A couple of weeks ago Nokia finally unveiled its new N9 smartphone. The device is to run MeeGo – what would have been Nokia’s replacement for Symbian before the Windows Mobile deal was inked in. In a sign of the times, MeeGo, the operating system thousands of Nokia engineers worked on, wasn’t even mentioned in the press conference or press release that heralded the N9’s arrival.

Instead, three days later, Elop showed off the N9’s successor – the first Nokia Windows Mobile, codenamed Sea Ray. At the public unveiling, he very halfheartedly asked reporters to put cameras and mobiles in their pockets, but of course they didn’t – with the happy result that pictures and reports were online in seconds.

Meanwhile, David Potter can only look back ruefully and reflect on what might have been for Symbian.

‘I believe a great opportunity was missed for Symbian with Nokia to have led the smartphone market into the future,’ he says.

misterc 2013-03-12 17:42
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don't know whether one should feel glad or sorry...
Quote:
In 2012 the Finnish mobile phone maker's chief executive earned 4.33 million euros in compensation, down from 7.94 million euros a year earlier, reveals Nokia's filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Thursday.

Elop's pay cut reflects Nokia's losing smartphone market share to rivals Samsung and Apple.

His base salary rose by 59,500 euros to 1.08 million euros while stock and option awards fell slightly. He did not earn a bonus, according to the regulatory filing.

Elop was hired in 2010 from Microsoft to help turn Nokia around.

In its report to the SEC, Nokia said it expected to receive more royalties from its partner Microsoft this year than it pays to the company.
(from http://yle.fi/)

glad 'cuz the *****'s pay check fell :D
sorry 'cuz NOKIA's sales are going down :( & that incompetent idiot still gets anything :mad:

o well, soon NOKIA will only be a logo on our beloved N900s & all, anyway...

zimon 2013-03-12 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1328601)
In its report to the SEC, Nokia said it expected to receive more royalties from its partner Microsoft this year than it pays to the company.
Not so.

http://allthingsd.com/20130124/after...aying-redmond/
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The interesting part is that Nokia says that, after initially getting more from Microsoft than it pays, Nokia’s commitment to Microsoft is now more than the remaining amount that it can expect to get from the software maker.
...
So, to recap, Nokia has bet the business on Windows Phone. After getting a pile of money initially, it now owes Microsoft more than it can expect to get. And Microsoft might be doing a competing Windows Phone of its own.
And it is assumed, Nokia is Microsoft's slave still two years due to the contract. I wonder if Nokia can survive alive at all till the end of it to choose Android, Jolla or Tizen.

Kangal 2013-03-13 06:15
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Tizen's not an option. Neither is Firefox OS. WebOS... well dream on. Jolla is most likely going to be close sourced, or not open enough for Nokia to take over.

Harmattan would be the next best option, but its too far, too little and too late.
The only way Nokia would be able to be able to "break even" in this ecosystem war is if they partnered up with a loser like Blackberry.

While BB's a current "loser", they do have something innovative to share with the world and it has struck interest. BB however doesn't have the reach and marketing its competitors hold. Nokia on the other hand have what it takes to reach the market and a penetrative marketing ability. Yet they lack the innovation to show.

I doubt an understanding between Nokia and BB could be established.

So Nokia's efforts again come back to a decision of sticking with Windows Phone (and low sales), or try to join the Android Army with the risk of becoming a mee-too or also-ran competitor.

Just look at SONY and their first Android phone, The SONY Xperia Z. A luxury brand not able to meet the expectations of "low quality" HTC, LG, Samsung competition.

misterc 2013-03-13 09:33
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low sales, indeed...
Quote:
[...]
Windows 8's failure is actually greater than it appears. The tablet and phone markets in 2007 were next to non-existent. Now, in a market where NPD expects tablets to out sell notebooks by year's end, neither Windows 8 nor its cousins Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 even appear on NetApplication's mobile and tablet reports for February 2013. How bad is that? Android 1.6, with is tiny 0.02% of the market, does make the list.
[...]
from ZDNet's Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed

tortoisedoc 2013-03-13 20:32
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Oh i see - his delusion is starting to show. Intresting.

nokiabot 2013-03-14 14:20
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Funny thread lol


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