Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Would it be a good idea to push "Advanced Settings" up to the menu or even in the main settings menu some how.
This will push it out the way of the main panel tabs IMO.

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Indeed, makes a whole lot of sense. It's true, only actual remote controls should be in the list of panels; I only started using panels for other stuff (like macros, searching, advanced settings, etc.) because I was having so much fun putting endless different kinds of panels together. :)

I'll see what I can do to get the non-remote-control-button oriented controls set up in a more logical way...

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Is this latest version available on the wiki package page?
Can't find it through the usual App Manager route. I need to find out what the final resting place is of the catalogues.

EDIT: Belay the last pipe. Found it and updated. :)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

copernicus....did u ever use or heard picloc total ir remote on 6600 symbians . can their ir codes be merged . they have insane varitey of devices incuding ac and it works:)
so should yours:p


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m way too arrogant dont punch me:(

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Ah, do you mean the Psiloc irRemote applicaton? Yes, I took a look at it; unfortunately, it's a commercial product, and the licensing terms don't look compatible for using it with an open-source project. (Which is annoying, because if you look at their configuration files, they are quite obviously just LIRC config files with a few extra fields. Given that the LIRC is a GPL'd program, I suspect the irRemote is a legally dubious product...)

In any case, even though I started out using bits and pieces of the LIRC server myself, over time I gave up on it and completely redesigned the method I'm using to manage and store ir pulse data. I've gone so far away from their design now that it takes quite a bit of effort to convert the data from an LIRC config file into the form I'm using internally. On the other hand, Pierogi can now store thousands of IR configurations internally, something that LIRC can't do. (Which is probably why irRemote can't do that either.)

But I should mention, you can get the LIRC server itself on the N900; in fact, the irreco app is based on it. So, you can probably take any of the Psiloc config files and just dump them into irreco without too much editing, if you wanted to... :)

EDIT: And I'll bet that the Psiloc app only supports "stateless" air conditioner remotes. There's just no way to construct an LIRC configuration that would be of any use in a system that dumps state info into each command...

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Yeah i ment that possiblity !:) btw perogi is way ahead of ir apps i ever used the 6600 still being used of ir that gladly being replaced by perogi ...
Only device i had no luck is 3110c that i have with an ir:( any help on same
perogi java:D

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Hmm. I should say that the N900 is the first Nokia phone I've owned (and, admittedly, given the way Nokia is headed, it may be my last). Looking at the specs of the 3110c, the current Pierogi design may be a little on the heavy side for it. But I don't think it would necessarily be impossible to do. Even converting it to Java could be done, although I'm using a few C++ tricks right now that might not be available in Java.

If you're interested, the Pierogi source code is available, if you want to try porting it. :)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Naughty pie
no java needed
carry on the devlopment:)

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Another Pierogi update is now making its way up to extras-devel. I've gotten far enough along in my attempt to create controls for a "stateful" air conditioner remote that I figured I should make it available for testing. There is exactly one keyset available, "Samsung Air Conditioner 2". Sadly, I'm not even certain which Samsung air conditioner(s) it will control, that info just wasn't available. But, whichever AC it was, this one had the most complete decoding analysis available on the net.

There are two new panels available in the "Air Conditioner Panels" section to control the Samsung AC; "Stateful AC" and "Timer". Using these panels is rather different from the others; first, you need to select all the settings you want to send, then you press the "Send Command" button to upload all those settings at once to the air conditioner.

And yes, the user interface is ugly (even by my standards). I'm really only putting this out there in the forlorn hope that somebody has a compatible AC unit and can do some testing for me. :)

Getting codes for other ACs may be nearly impossible. The effort that the experts at the hifi-remotes website put into this one was nothing short of amazing. Normally, nobody bothers to record and analyze stateful IR pulses because, honestly, you can't do anything with them -- universal IR remotes simply can't handle state information. Even the LIRC server would need a major overhaul to deal with these protocols.

Which, I guess, may make this something of a world first; your N900 can potentially now do something no other IR device can manage. :)

Also in this update, a fix for a protocol bug that was affecting a Strong keyset.

As always, please let me know if you find any bugs! Thanks.

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I like the automated keyset search function. Tried it out on the TVs at work (all different brands) and the majority of them 8/10 switched off when a keyset match was found.
However, it's a big ask, but would it be possible to make the search pause automatically when a keyset match is found to give a bit of time to make a note of the name of the keyset so it can be found again?

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Ah, I would love to do that! Unfortunately, the N900 can't actually see the TV (or whatever device you're pointing it at), so it has no idea whether or not a keyset has in fact triggered the device. :)

Actually, I was originally worried that the keysets would go by too quickly; my first interface only allowed you to step through the keysets one by one, rather than kick off a fast sequence and force you to hit the "pause" button as soon as something happens. In fact, those original controls are all still there; if you notice that a keyset worked, you can hit "pause", and then keep hitting the "prev set" button until you get back to the keyset that worked.

Also, you can hit the "edit keyset" button to make the keyset you've found a "favorite", and continue on with checking other keysets. So you don't really need to write down the name of the keyset when you find one. :)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Gonna buy an ac to test pierogi:)

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I have installed the latest version, ran the automated keysearch and to my surprise my speakerset turns on and of when it switches to the Creative Speakers Keyset 1, however, when i set this as keyset to be used (with ´select keyset´ ) in the main interface the power button only works sometimes, switching devices in the keyset search is a little more reliable but not 100%. I have played a little with the carrier frequency and duty cycle but it doesnt seem to make a difference.
The device is a Cambridge Soundworks DTT 3500.
Is there anything I can try in settings or could you add support for this in a future releass?

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Hmm. That it works at all indicates that the numeric value being sent is correct, so I would think this would be a protocol problem. But all my sources for Cambridge/Creative speaker system config files seem to agree on the protocol, carrier frequency, and duty cycle values, and I seem to have all those set appropriately. (And, since you've already checked the frequency and duty cycle yourself, we can probably rule that factor out.)

Let me ask, is your copy of Pierogi having trouble with any other devices? (Assuming you have other devices with an IR interface.) Maybe something is causing it to act up...

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No I don´t have any other infrared devices unfortunately. Strange thing is that switching on and off works better when switching sets in the search panel compared to the standby button in the normal panel.
After a phone reboot the normal button works 1 - 2 times then it only sometimes works.
I dont know what else might be interfering, I dont have lirc installed and running kp52, cssu-thumb and overclock (250 - 805).

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Ahh yeah, you're right. I forgot the ir was only one way. I can see this app actually getting bigger as time goes by given all the ir devices out there. I came across an infra-red controled table lamp today. Looking at the controller for it I could see that it had a "Brighter" & "Dimmer" button as well as on, off and strobe setting.
There was also an ir controlled coffee percolator and a damn ir beer dispenser.

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Hmm -- the search panel emulates an extremely quick press of a button, which means that most protocols won't get the chance to repeat a command. The protocol being used by Cambridge / Creative is the ever-popular "NEC"; that one does have two different mechanisms for repeating a command. I'm using the repeat mechanism that all my sources agree on, but my sources aren't the greatest. :)

One thing you could try is to see if pressing the power button _very_ quickly works better than pressing and holding it; if the repeat frames are the problem, fewer frames might mean less confusion.

Actually, let me throw together a quick update using the other repeat mechanism, and see if it helps...

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

I recently stumbled across an IR config file for some light-up Mickey Mouse Ears. (They synchronize with each other using IR, so at Disneyworld the proprietors can get everyone's ears to flash the same color together...) It's just amazing what folks are using IR for these days. :)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Got it :)
Nope, still the same. I have switched back to default clockspeed profile but that didnt make any difference.
Switching between Creative Speakers Keyset 1 and Creative (experimental) works every time (on and off).

I have also now discovered that turning the screen off and on again (with the side switch) between button presses fixes the problem and makes it work (in both keysets).

Edit: The other buttons (mute,vol+,vol-,red,green,yellow,blue,input) also work (in both keysets):), but only once, ond once again after turning screen of and on again with side switch

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Wow, that's interesting. Never heard of anything like that before. Hmm...

I guess it would have to be some sort of UI glitch, then. The button itself must not be triggering... When you press pierogi's "Power" button, does it always light up? If you keep it pressed, does it stay lit?

Also, since you've got both keysets, could you give the other keys a quick check? In particular, holding down either of the volume keys should continuously raise or lower the volume, but only in one of the two keysets. :) (Your speakers should only support one of the two repeat mechanisms.) Thanks!

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

I must have a special edition (ahem) speakerset because in both keysets the volume change works
Yes the power button always lights up and stays lit when i keep it pressed

edit: after the screen is on again it is only one button that will work pressing any other button after that does not work, only after switching screen off and on.

I have qtlockscreen installed (probably not of importance) but do notice the screen for pierogi tries to display in portrait before quickly changing to landscape .

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Curiouser and curiouser. :) Although I may have chosen a bad example, now that I think about it. A better test -- if you hold down the "mute" button, does the speaker system remain muted, or flip back and forth? (The experimental keyset should flip.)

Ah, so the buttons don't even light up? (Or give you that "tactile feedback" vibration, if you've got that on.) I guess it is something UI-related, then.

Hmm. I'm not seeing this effect on my machines, but then I'm still not testing on CSSU yet. (And yeah, everybody here has been getting on my back about that. :) ) I suppose it could be something CSSU related, although I haven't seen similar complaints from other users.

I doubt qtlockscreen would do anything. (If it did, it should be affecting more apps than just Pierogi...) Then again, I suppose I should ask -- are you seeing this only-one-button-works-effect with any other apps?

And yeah, the whole "portrait-mode-pseudo-feature" aspect of CSSU is very annoying for us folks who do want to lock our apps into a particular orientation. :) <petulant mode>I've even got "X-CSSU-Force-Landscape" set in Pierogi's .desktop file, but I guess it doesn't work nearly as well as the non-CSSU locking mechanism... You could try turning off "forced rotation", but of course nobody does that, because it is by far the most popular feature of CSSU, despite officially not being a feature of CSSU. :) :)</petulant mode>

Let me nose around the CSSU changelogs a bit. Maybe they'll have a hint as to some UI updates that might cause this effect.

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

The experimental one only flips from sound on - mute - sound on.
the reverse does not flip:
mute - sound on (and stays on).
The normal keyset doe not flip back and forth at all.
no the buttons work fine, they light up and give the click sound, and stay lighted when keeping them pressed (I dont have tactile on)

No, no problems anywhere else, the ui in pierogi seems to work fine as well, it is just that it seems to only send the command once.
( i cannt check the infra red led as my eyes dont quite detect in that range :) )

I dont quite like the forced rotation myself and it is switched off on my device. rotation is nice on some applications but not all and i tend to lock applications in one way anyway as switching between orientations is not instantanious. I´m on cssu-thumb mainly because it gives more free ram. which seems to help speed wise :)
I have changed the qtlockscreen theme to default now. I had it set on a portrait one and now when i switch the screen off and on again pierogi appears as it should (landscape).
no change in behaviour however.

(I also tried to turn of desktop rotation but something seems to have changed and setting desktop lock in gconf doesnt seem to have any effect)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Hmm. Well, at least it seems that the normal keyset is using the correct protocol. :)

Alright! That actually gets me past the UI layer and deeper into Pierogi. (And Pierogi isn't all that deep.) Given that the first press works, and the UI layer still seems to work, I think there are only a few items that could go wrong. In particular, I'm using a separate thread for communicating with the IR device driver, and there are a couple of mutexes being used to communicate between the UI layer and the worker thread. If a mutex is failing, it could cause this sort of effect...

Dunno how to connect that with switching the screen on and off, though. :(

I'll have to ponder this one a bit.

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

I bought a TV, but my brand isn't on the list.
I went to the website of the brand and checked the FAQ.

it says:
'What is the universal remote code ?'
This code is : 00BF

I seriously don't know what that even means....

The brand is MT-Logic
Model: LE-427118MT

www.mtlogic.com/LE-427118MT

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

It seems to be NEC (2)

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I've got a couple of iffy config files for MT-Logic TVs; I'll add them in and see if they work for you. (Crossing my fingers here; I'm not finding a lot in my usual sources.)

There is a pseudo-standard list of devices (maybe more than one) used by the commercial universal remote industry; this list associates a unique numeric value (called a "setup code") to each configuration they support. Although I've never seen them use hexadecimal for these codes before...

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

It's possible, but I think that would be unlikely; the "customer code" (also known elsewhere as the "device code") shown in the Dune website is the actual code used within the NEC protocol itself for their devices. There are, however, dozens of different protocols out there, with many different mechanisms for identifying manufacturers and devices; moreover, there's no system for ensuring that a given device code is unique. In short, it's a real mess.

I'll throw the Dune command set into Pierogi too, though, just in case. :)

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You can, if you have access to any digital camera with digital viewfinder. In short, a screen, where you see what you're about to shot. It may be even camera in another phone, or laptop webcam, or whatsnot. Despite ir filters on 99% of cameras, you should still be able to see "light violet" colored flashes of IR led.

I think that a good idea to debug, would be to try checking N900's IR - if it *really* stop sending commands after first one ('till screen lock/unlock), or if it sends them, but for some reason, they're spoiled.

/Estel

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Excellent idea :). dug out my old digicam and the led shows up on the screen :)
So there is good news: the led always flashes when a button is pressed (and maybe that is the bad news as well)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Hmm. Yeah, the possibilities are getting a bit more limited here. If the led is flashing when a button is pressed, and stops flashing after a button stops being pressed, then there are no internal communication problems within Pierogi itself. Some sort of corruption within the Pierogi data would explain it, but wouldn't explain why the problem gets reset by turning the screen off and on again. A protocol bug would work too, but that wouldn't explain why the first keypress works. (And the "NEC" protocol is the best tested of all the protocol code in Pierogi.)

I hate to say it, but at this point, I'm thinking the issue probably lies outside of Pierogi itself...

If the led is lighting up, I can only think of two possibilities -- errors are being introduced into the led timing data as multiple requests come in, or the light is getting weaker as multiple requests come in. To rule out the second possibility, maybe you could hold the N900 right up to the sensor on the speaker set, and see if the buttons start working?

Odds are, though, that it's some sort of error in the timing data. Let me start digging into the CSSU changelogs again; maybe there's an IR-hardware-related change that went in somewhere. (Although, again, I would kind of expect that other users would have also experienced it by now. :( )

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

When will the update be available with the MT Logic keysets? :D
(Or is there someway to update the list?)

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

AFAIK an update was pushed into devel for you to test.

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Actually, I haven't gotten the MT-logic keysets up yet. Let me try to clean up and get another release out asap. :)

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Yes , it is flashing as it should when button is pressed ond stops when button is released. holding it right up to the lens doesn´t make any difference.

I don´t know what would cause it either I don´t think i even have other IR related stuff installed. maybe it is something on my device, any libraries or other things i could check? as i am probably the only one with that speakerset and a n900 it is kind of hard to determine where the problem is

Re: [Announce] Pierogi - a universal infrared remote control app
 

Hmm. Right now, I would rule out the speakerset itself as an issue; the fact that you can temporarily fix the problem by switching the N900's screen off and on makes me believe that it has to be something on the N900 itself. (But yeah, if you ever do find yourself in front of another device that can be controlled by IR, it'd be interesting to see if Pierogi has the same problem with it.)

Really, once Pierogi sends the on/off timing array to the driver, there's very little that can affect it. Maybe there's some subtle new issue with the kernel?

(BTW, thank you for letting me drag you through so many different tests. It isn't often that I get to deal with such an interesting bug! :) )

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Hey, I finally did something that I should have tried earlier -- I googled the MT-Logic company itself. It appears that, like many other TV brands, they don't manufacture their own devices. The chance of finding a good config file would go up if we can find the original manufacturer of the TV.

It seems that the LE-427118MT was sold through Aldi, but that company doesn't manufacture TVs either. I've found a note on a forum board that links MT-Logic to "Audiosonic", and from there to "Tristar", which is apparently a company doing manufacturing in Turkey. Let me do a little more digging.

Also, if you haven't already, could you run the "Automated Keyset Search" and see if Pierogi already has any keysets that might work with the TV? Thanks!

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...the Tristar connection btw could be found out already by observing links / includes on the MT-Logic site.

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I'm happy to tell you that your stateful AC control works :)

The power off setting doesn't work though which is fortunate, as I had to dig up my original remote whose batteries had melted inside it, and I saved it from bigger damage :)

Another glitch I noticed is that some times setting the swing function activated turbo too. Most of the times it worked fine...

Please also check out your Epson projector 2, it misses a power off button (the projector remote has seperate on and off buttons)

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Thank you!! Well, now I really do need to create a decent UI for it, and see if I can come up with a few more keysets. :) (This'll definitely be something to show off against other universal remotes!)

I can believe that the power-off is bad, the hifi-remote guys were scratching their heads over that one. The swing and turbo bitfields are right next to each other, so I might have gotten some overlap somewhere. I'll take a look...

Will do; the keysets I have right now seem to only have a single (toggle) power command, rather than discrete on and off commands. I'll see if I can scrounge up a better config file somewhere...

EDIT: By the way, can you tell me the model number of the AC that worked? I'd like to grab Samsung's info on the device, and see if I'm missing anything else in the controls...