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Beggars can't be choosers. Nokia fell way behind, and something have to give. They are selling at lower prices to penetrate the market. Nothing wrong there

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it's not only about what and how you are selling, it's also about what the competitors loose because of your actions. Every Lumia sold is one less iPhone/android sold and one person less in the apple/android ecosystem and one more in WP. When every android phone manufacturer except Samsung is loosing money, this means a whole lot. Again, the big picture is what counts.

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They are having a fire sale because WP7 is so undesirable and has sold in such minimal quantities that they are now stuck with inventory that is worth less than it cost them to build. It has nothing to do with penetrating the market, it's about trying to turn redundant stock back into cash even if they have to take a hit doing it.

Of course this was an entirely predictable scenario, no manufacturer has made a successful WP7 device. Not even Samsung could do it.

I hope for NOKIA's sake WP8 is considerably better than it's predecessor, NOKIA can't continue to struggle along with an incompetent software partner like this.

I still have yet to see any WPx device in the wild!

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NOKIA does not exist to sell hardware at a loss in order to make Microsoft's 'ecosystem' more viable.

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Are you so sure it's Nokia that is selling it at a loss? Like, no money has exchanged hands between Nokia and this Phones4U retailer?

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It's not just one retailer; Tesco's had them, Asda's had them, Carphone Warehouse has had them, Phones4U's had them... It's a mass dumping.

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Only Samsung makes money on Android phones. The rest exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable. 99% of app developers exist only to make the Android ecosystem viable, they make no money there.

Nokia needs WP to grow to be able to sell devices. MS needs Nokia to sell devices to be able to grow. How hard is that to understand? they are dependent on each other. The most important thing is to get devices out there. They have done a poor job so far with overpriced mediocre devices (super user functionality, the best, but overpriced). Android devices gives more value per € in peoples eyes.

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How does a company survive if it doesn't make a profit? To suggest a company 'exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable' is laughable nonsense.

To developers of free apps the user is not the customer but the commodity.

NOKIA are only dependent on Microsoft because their Trojan horse CEO made it so. If they had remained independent they wouldn't be in such a desperate situation now. It was partnering with Microsoft that put them into the death spiral.

Samsung used much the same hardware for their WP7 devices as they did for their Android devices. It's clear what the problem is even if you don't want to admit it.

Getting 'devices out there' wont benefit NOKIA in any way unless they make a profit on them.

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I know your solution: Go back to Symbian!

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I have seen quite a few in the wild. Where do you reside

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s/loose/lose/g

Typos are one thing but I can't be the only one that notices that you begin to lose your meaning when your spelling is so consistently loose.

I AM NOT A MACODITY!

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Or, switch to Android? Here's a job advert posted by Nokia yesterday.

http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob...=jobs_share_fb

There's no indication that it's specifically Android ofcourse. But whatever these exciting new products are, if they require software and hardware drivers for embedded Linux, it's something other than Windows.

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Interesting.

I don't think there's any way back for Symbian now anyhow, NOKIA have axed too much in-house expertise. It's going to be much easier to find developers proficient in Linux.

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Laughable yes, nonsense ? far from it. No company want to be in that situation, but that is how the Android ecosystem works. You either have a top selling phone, or you are just there hanging on struggling to survive. Even Huawei and ZTE are struggling competing with each other. That's how any economy works once price becomes the driving factor. In 2013 Samsung will implode and Huawei and/or ZTE will take the throne (regarding top selling android smartphone). After that nobody will care anymore, then an android smartphone is just like any other commodity, a dishwasher, a lamp or whatever, a PC?

The same could happen to the WP ecosystem, but not in several years from now and only if WP becomes the dominant ecosystem, and that does not seem very likely. Right now they are too small and overpriced devices does NOT help one single bit. WP phones does not offer a perceived value that is better than Android. That is changing, but if Nokia/MS is not willing to pay the price of that change, they surely will die.

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It's complete nonsense, tosh, bunkum, poppycock, gibberish, ...


Saying a company is struggling to compete is a completely different thing to saying a company 'exists exclusively to make the Android ecosystem viable'. The latter is nonsense.

Samsung could compete with ZTE and Huawei on price right now should they choose to but it wouldn't make sense because their brand has higher prestige. If ZTE and Huawei manage to establish a similar reputation to Samsung you can expect them to increase their margins. They'd much rather be in Samsung's position than vice versa.

There's also a very good reason Samsung is doing better than Sony, LG, HTC, Motorola, etc... just look at the devices. It's not Android and it's not the price that's the stand-out difference is it? Right now in every price segment from top to bottom Samsung are making the best devices, not the cheapest but the best. The top end Galaxy is so nice even Apple have redesigned the iPhone to be more like it.

Hopefully the calibre of Samsung's devices will inspire the other manufacturers to raise their game and we'll see an even greater range of desirable smartphones.


NOKIA are too small? How on earth did that happen to the once biggest smartphone manufacturer on the planet by a huge margin? Oh yes, they opted for a failed OS with a non-existent 'ecosystem'. Now you'd have them sell their hardware at a loss in a desperate attempt to make that 'ecosystem' viable.

Let me remind you that at the time Elop pulled the plug on Symbian/MeeGo Ovi was bigger than the Android Marketplace.

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ROTFL ONE job about Linux and people here start to think nokia is going Android? Get real!

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It's more than Nokia had yesterday.

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And it might not be on job. Let's say they want 200 employees with the same off :D get real. Will see if you comments here push the stock value on Monday.

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Symbian apologists in full force. It's like Romney supporters still crying about what if. It's time to move on. Symbian is dead. And nothing wrong with it. Died of old age and got overtaken buy younger more nimble OSs.

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Microsoft apologists in full force. WP7 is dead. There was plenty wrong with it. It was designed with squares by squares for squares. WP8 isn't looking much better. It's time NOKIA moved on.


By far the most successful smartphone OS on the planet now is Android. It's not renowned for being nimble and it uses the Linux kernel which predates EPOC32 by 6 years.

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You seem very attached to Symbian as it was Linux. I am agnostic when it comes to platforms. I am neither supporting nor hating WP. I have stock in Nokia and would like to see it succeed. If they were running Jolla or Molla, I support them.

You should consult a psychiatrist. You like necrophilia. Not exactly a normal human behavior.

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Your name supports WP dude.

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You think Symbian was Linux?

I think the word you're looking for is 'ignorant' not 'agnostic'.

If platforms are not your thing the Maemo forum is probably not the best place for you. Perhaps you should start your own forum called 'Thrush', a forum especially for irritating c**ts.

You're full of wit.

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I like you--you're a good member here, but can we please stop falling for his trolling flame-bait and get back to the conversation itself?

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Yeah, focus on stock please.

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From practical point of view it's not far from thruth. Now, there's Samsung, and without the lesser non-profit brands you could say that all the fruit from Googles effort in creating and enhancing Android go directly to Samsung's pocket. How viable of an ecosystem would that be really? Those near-extinct brands are very important for Samsung.

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I had more N9s than Lumias........I should change my nick to Niner

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Either you are too young, or you are just too ignorant to see what is going on, to see the big lines. You remind me of that daperl-dude. Big mouth, no brains.

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Deutsch Bank doesnt see much demand for Lumias:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/There...s-310938.shtml

interestingly, I ordered my cyan 2 weeks ago and still didnt get it. There are clearly devices in the stores, but some colors are rarer than others. Not sure what is going on with Nokia.

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That would be false advertising. Stick to Lumiaman, it suits you well.

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In the mean time in a galaxy very close (Europe in general), WP user base has grown 4x during the last year. And it is still growing.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-201111-201211

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You exaggerate by picking a specific region, forgetting the worldwide market share numbers. More importantly, they're still far, far behind most of their competition.

For example: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...phone-canalys/

Normally such a big spike in market share would make tech watchers optimistic. But Pete Cunningham, an analyst at Canalys, remains skeptical about the fate of Windows Phone. He pointed out that shipments in the United States for the Lumia 900 and Lumia 710 were disappointing, even though both were major product releases with big marketing campaigns.

More recently: http://blogs.computerworld.com/windo...-gain-traction

The IDC report says that 5.4 million Windows Phone devices were sold in the quarter, for a 3.5% market share, up from 2.3% a year previously.

Android, meanwhile had 104.8 million units sold, for a 68.1% market share, up from 46.9% a year previous. There were 26 million iPhones sold, for a 16.9%, down from 18.8% a year previous. 7.4 million Blackberries were sold, for a 4.8% share, down from 11.5% a year earlier. And 6.8 million Symbian devices were sold, for a 4.4% market share, down from 16.9 percent a year previous.

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I picked Europe, because Europe is the place where people change phones at a most rapid paste. It is also the place with most varying user base regarding what's hot and what's not.

Android is growing, but that is not all that is happening. WP is getting a larger and larger user base, it's the ecosystem with largest relative growth, by far.

WP may never become as large as android, but it may already be large enough to be viable.

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That's a very persuasive and well thought out rebuttal. It leaves nobody in any doubt about your level of brain power that's for sure. I also see no reason to doubt you have a perfectly proportioned mouth and that you're just the ideal age for seeing big lines too.



Thanks :o I like you too.

I think you find it nearly as hard to resist as I do :D

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:confused: Japan/South Korea called; asking back for that tag that rightfully belongs to them :rolleyes:

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south Korea maybe, but Japan seems to be stuck on iPhone atm.

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blah. You're just an ordinary follower. I place a comment, you follow with [bla bla bla troll bla bla bla troll ... ] like a parrot, green and yellow :)

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Graph reading and meaningful numbers are a mystery to you. Please shut up now, dork.

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Hey Guys and the girl, anyone here knows what a stock is? and if you do, do you know how stock is affected and why? If you do, this is where you share it!

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