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Very disappointed about availability... I can't buy directly from Paraguay the image, but... I know someone in Germany that could buy for me the image when It will be available. But... Sometimes some pages from EU detect the IP where is from, when you want to buy something, do you think that Jolla will have that? To limit people from EU and probably US and CA to buy it?

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I do think Xperia X is as slow as my current FP2 so no go for me. Dalvik is kind of slow on FP2. And the camera on FP2 sucks. But if I should buy a new device I dont want to buy three year old HW just to get SFOS.

So I plan to buy Xperia XZ.

Question is do we ever see SFOS on XZ devices WITH official dalvik support? What do you guys think?

Or will I get stuck in Android? I tried it out today and the Android on it is fast BUT i HATE the homescreen. I want sailfish swipe UI!!!

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So we can build and install next week???!!!

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I think/hope that with community help they will get most of the issues solved in no time:)

That said it would be great to get it working with dual-sim xperia x as there is far more better deals for the dual-sim version of the phone.

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Would also be great to see an image for the X Compact.

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XZ or XZ1? the latter should be announced on Thursday, and either getting an official version of Sailfish with Android app support is highly dependent on the popularity, and even if it doesn't I'll most likely get the latter, and port Sailfish and Anbox to it myself.

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I alredy wrot on tjc: Everybody from outside Europe can contact me, and i will help them to get this image.
Just PM, emal: info(at)explit.de or Telegram @explit
me.

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Peoples outside EU can use a tunnel to EU then buy the stressful image directly. :D In my case a have one tunnel to Switzerland

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I think Oreo (android 8) will be on Xperia X before Sailfish X

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Hahaha, no... Probably Android Oreo will be available on March o April on 2018... People will figure out how to have installed on their devices Sailfish if they want, also as some member said... Even some people could buy and install Sailfish on the Xperia X and sell on eBay, and then you could buy... But let's see

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Hope to see the detailed installation instructions to include the way to preserve the DRM keys and do the photo quality.

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About Sailfish X:
True, but how many of us consider bluetooth unavailability a serious problem? I rarely used bluetooth with my other phones (including Jolla and N900). Ages ago it was the faster and better way to share some pic/contact, but today? With the exception of bluetooth earsets and toying with BLE (which requires someone writing Sailfish-specific apps), is there any real life usage?

Even less the FM radio, that has been around for quite some time: nice toy, but... did anyone ever feel the need to use it?

Thus, if there are issues with FM radio and bluetooth, it means that the more interesting stuff (USB, wifi, camera...) are working well.

About Android 8 kernel:
While this is true, it comes a bit too late (Android 8 just came out now) - you only switch kernels (and thus all critical libraries) after thorough testing. I guess it may happen with SFOS "3.0" (when they will update Qt as well); I name it "3.0" because a large number of apps will need some testing and possibly updates.

Some news...

Stock Android 7 on Xperia X asks the user to enable some "audio enhancement" everytime I use the earplugs. I never allowed it because I'd like to have a fair test on a number of different ear sets. So far the stock Sony earplugs performed surprisingly well, albeit at a lower sound pressure level (SPL) than the AKG 317. My only regret is that the '317 sports a volume slider, more useful than an integrated microphone. (Note that sound quality is not a synonym of "more SPL").

Another good thing on the Xperia X: the camera glass (the one protruding 0.3mm out), while collects dust around it (because it protrudes), is surprisingly resilient to dirt. I've always checked the camera glass on my phones before taking a picture because it was very easy to get it dirty.

The "dual SIM" use case is somewhat rare:
- people willing to have both personal and work phone numbers in a single device
- people willing to use two different carriers (example: one for voice and the other for data)

It would have to deal with a number of extra issues:
- temporarily disabling one SIM (probably you don't want "work" calls/texts outside work hours)
- selecting SIM to use to send next SMS
- allowing/disallowing data traffic from the other carrier when the selected one is unavailable
- maybe also managing Contacts to avoid mixing work and family ones...

The only other reason to choose the F5122 over the F5121 is the internal memory (64 Gb vs 32 Gb). But if you use a cheap 64 Gb microSD to store all of your "large" (i.e. multimedia) data, you'll probably won't consider an issue having only 32Gb (Jolla1 was 16) inside...

Can't wait for October 11 (also, I guess future Sailfish X devices will be announced later).

Wondering if the Sailfish X installation instructions will include backupping of the Xperia X keys.

Also, if ~20,000 people buy it, that will mean One Million Euros to Jolla guys for their hard work (yay!). But mostly it will mean a clear message to Sony managers: lots of people are willing to pay even 50 bucks to get Sailfish instead of Android - that is, Sailfish is not an Android replacement but added value. Basically my 50 bucks are more an investment than buying an operating system.

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If you think something is not useful, doesn't mean it is.
And also all those "extra issues" are already solved in SailfishOS on Jolla C. So no. Those are not "extra issues" at all.

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Slowness seems to be a personal issue :p
I still have my 4-years-old Jolla sbj1 as my daily driver and I don't see it as a slow device; I suppose the Xperia X will be fast enough for me then, hm?

And the camera in the Sony device is probably better than what I've got in the sbj1 even without the DRM enhancements so that's a bonus too.

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For me BT unfortunately is essential; I like to use BT headset to listen to music when I go cycling or running... Workaround is to use wired headset but that'd feel like a step backwards :(


I agree, radio is not essential as all the stations I listen to have netwok broadcast too.
The only case for FM radio against net radio is that FM allows you to be totally anonymous; listening to network broadcasts at least lets tha station to know how many people are actively listening if not directly disclose your identity :cool:


Ditto, the pricetag of 50 euros is pretty cheap way to show support for SFOS development.

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Supporting Jolla is the only reason I'm willing to shell out 50 euros

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Btw, when they say "camera works well", what do they mean?
I am not expecting Lumia's quality, but does it perform well ?

Anyone got pics made with this camera (with native Android and Sailfish X) so that we could compare?

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Bluetooth: driving

Seriously, if you aren't using Bluetooth while you're driving you are putting other people at risk & shouldn't be driving

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have to agree. can't imagine a phone without bluetooth right now. I hope they fix this before the release.

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bluetooth is also almost essential for me:
- in the car to play the music in the phone and to answer phone calls
- with headsets (sony btw :P) very frequently
- with Bluetooth speakers
- with my pebble watch

I will buy likely the sailfishX but cannot depart from another phone until Bluetooth is available. However I am confident that it will eventually come and without waiting too long, but I am definitely supporting them (as usual)

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Not fair. It's not difficult.

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From what I can tell from Vesku's video it means you can actually use it both outdoors *and* indoors. And that it is 16+ MP even without DRM.

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Emphatically, all of this. Can't believe we're even discussing why bluetooth is an important feature.

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Theres a number of us working on the Bluetooth side of things, many community devices also have broadcom Bluetooth chips and are lacking support, some which will be using the same kernel as the xperia x also.

Tbh im surprised they announced it so early, if they had waited another month we might have fixed it...

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So you said that you could fix Bluetooth almost in a month? That's will be great if so [emoji847]

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I agree. My devices are everyday connected by bluetooth since it is the easiest and most widely used connection method for variety of devices. Headphones, car, music streaming at home, sharing files for my work laptop (cant believe the it has banned basically everything else but left the bt open), general handsfree, smartwatches, tethering, sharing files with friends devices, keyboards et all. BT does it all

I will be buying this, but before it has working BT it is not going to be everyday phone.

Great that Jolla is making progress with additional revenue prospects. They really need it, I guess.

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Willing? I much rather carry one device instead of several device for all my communication needs (personal and work).

I'm a bit sour about having to move to carrying 2 mobile phones when I get Xperia X. It was quite nice for me with Jolla C to have only one device with me. So for me it's more about willing to carry two devices to hopefully get a better experience with Xperia X. It's a step back in some ways, but I hope it'll be worth it with more performant device and better pictures. Remains to be seen.

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OT

Would be good to see an option (paid) to get additional support for other device ports.
For example, i miss exchange support on Oneplus X.
I do appteciate, and want dualsim which we have on the X.

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Well,I use dual SIM phones all the time: splitting between voice, SMS and data is more useful than you think, particularly when travelling. There are also some payment systems where you can only use one card per mobile number: if you need to choose the payment card you need a separate SIM and account for each card.

There is an additional compromise with the F5122: if I have understood the specs correctly, you cannot put two SIM cards and a microSD card in: you have to choose between 2 SIM cards, or 1 SIM card + a microSD.That makes that extra 32GB of internal storage pretty important. Perhaps someone with an F5122 could let the forum know if I have got this right?

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So first Jolla haven't payed back 99.8% of the tablet backers that payed for OS development rather than secure funds for delivery. Many which also bought their first phone and helped out with alpha and beta of sail. And then Jolla asking for 50 more to test a beta for them, and to top it of user have to pay for a Xperia X. The awesomeness of this deal is unbelievable. And to top it or most of the tablet backers can't use missing refund transfered to this deal which is not cool. What can they use the refund money to??

This deal is fanboystastic. :D

What's next. Another 100 for a alpha for Xperia X compact? 250 for working Bluetooth?

I fear the end is coming...

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RTFM :
https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/

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Hi,

If they are going to give you your money back (and by golly I hope they do as I'm bored hearing you talk about it) then they need an income stream.

If they sell 10,000 licenses for a year (which I think would be a remarkable success) that would be 500,000 euros. If you're trying to pay 10 engineers (e.g. for security updates, hardware adaptations and a newer version of Android) that's not a lot of money for salaries plus taxes etc... plus development hardware plus tablet refunds.

50euros seems cheap and I hope they do well enough to make it sustainable (and refund you your tablet).

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500.000€ are "nothing" for a company with 50+employees. So that may be sufficient to pay 10 of them, for a year. Anyone knows where the missing 3+ Mio€ come from?

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They've raised money from investors and from companies like Intex who they have created custom phones for... but that will be increasingly difficult to do - they have a vicious cycle of:
hard to get a device -> few users -> few apps -> low demand for devices.

Jolla now is a lot smaller than it was when large numbers of employees were getting on stage at Slush. From here to a profitable, stable ecosystem is obvously a big leap but I hope they can sell lots of licenses for the Xperia X. I'll certainly be buying one.

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50€ is obviously calculated to vaguely pay the costs of maintaining and improving this device specific port for 12 month.
They do not want to make loss from the community device.
Thats all.

It is a nice gesture concidering they focus business on corporate and governmental solutions. Take it or leave it.

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What happens to people who live in countries not listed? Will we be able to buy the Sailfish image for 50 Euros?

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See post 847 and 848

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Yes, this is also what I think.

In my understanding the "official version for Xperia X" costs 50 euros for the first year, and during that time we are getting especially tailored updated for Xperia X. After the one year subscription "a continuation program follows" which means that normal updates come like in all SFOS devices up to today.

Now, there was also an alternative explanation by an user of TJC who thinks that the "continuation program" means that Xperia X will possibly receive more special updates, and to subscribe to those would cost some xx-euros/year more.
I think that unlikely, but if it happens to be so I don't think that is a bad thing either.

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Ok. So its a subscription - One year contract. Then another 50. Its good if they can transfer the funds to refund program. To be able to refund atleast 200 in September . So jolla is free to do what they want.

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Nope, that has not been disclosed.

Only the fact that the first year costs 50 euros.
Whether the next years cost anything or something, that remains to be seen.