Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I like MeeGo :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Really? For me it has sooo much baggage and negative connotations.
(not to mention how it's somewhat divisive within our own small community)
And it certainly does out there in the wider consumer market too...
I can understand them leveraging it's brand/name recognition at this early stage.
But I reckon they need to make a clean break once they do their announcement.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I tend to agree. Maemo was a much more positive brand for me as well. Meego has obviously had a lot more work done on it so it's understandable they'd use that, but I think a bit too much Moblin made it into that offspring...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why dont you tell Jussa Mussa to fix N9 and all the lagging that his team forgot to fix, as well as poor NOKIA drive on N9. Mr. Jussa better learn how to be a leader and gets thing done.

With regards to the name, Jolla is a joke. I know it has a meaning to Fins, but if he wants to sell phones outside of Finland, find something more appealing like: Fphone

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You like to regularly lambast a team that's had resources constantly pulled out from under them (esp. in the last 10mth) as though it's not relevant dont you?
Is that how impartial you really are.....

Look that was just a totally childish & ****-stirring post, that's all you want to do here most of the time.
Why are you even here, really? I mean it's pretty clear that you're a one platform to rule them all kinda usr, so go do your thing.
Most *normal* heavy smartphone users appreciate the multiple platforms they use for what they are.
They're not so insecure that they have to ****-stir, simply because they may not use/like a platform as much as others.
Get a life already, seriously, you're constantly acting like a little baby....
And if you want to continue this PM me directly, you have no right to derail this thread with your venom.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Lumia is even funnier for 450 million Spanish speakers in the world. Indeed, a smart brand name.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

But you can't deny that it's perfect for that product. It's dirty cheep and after using it, it gives you that bad feeling that something isn't quite as it is supposed to be. :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Please let us keep this thread centered around Jolla and its related news / OS.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I want to keep this discussion to Jolla but one last dig pls...

We know what Lumia in spanish means...what does it suggest about the person who keeps his nick as Lumiaman...Is he a hired p*** by Elop ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Actually, I am a Spanish speaker from Spain and I would pronounce both jolla and joya exactly the same.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Off topic but...

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C3%ADsmo

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/08/03/jo...our-questions/

Some questions answered ...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wikipedia entry being considered for deletion.
https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/stat...25236814991360

(I think Ocexyz comment at wikipedia nails it)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well it looks like Lumiaman and his like have spread to Wikipedia too...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why does this youtube video have a nokia drive 3.0 and jolla phone tags in google search results but when you get there those tags are not on it?
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...aker/jolla.png

My Nokia drive on my N9 says 2.08. What phone has 3.0?

edit: To below OK Lumia phones have 3.0 but what about that jolla tag?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

lumia phones have nokia drive 3.0 not our phones...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wow, those people have no shame. Disgusting.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

My first thought was also Lumiaman xD

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Don't have source in english for this, but according to finnish media Jolla might be opening its 3rd office soon. They have been collecting hundreds of CVs from ex-Nokians in city of Oulu in northern Finland, where Nokia just had massive lay offs.

Fingers crossed for Jolla being 'Nokia done right' without the idiots in charge.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Is someone else on the boat for deleting Lumiaman, who seems to initiated this, from TMO instead?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Stalinism well and alive at maemo.org

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

so is trolling and sh**t-stirring


But back on the subject i am quite happy that Jolla is catching all the talent that nokia is just throwing away

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Oh so Lumiaman returns from his ban (for those not in the know, yes he was banned temporarily) and starts his usual stuff...nothing new...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Who else is here to keep your irrational exuberance in check.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well if nobody else sees the need to keep my so-called "irrational exuberance" towards you in check then we all know who needs to be kept in check ;)

Anyway this is again getting OT...let's keep to Jolla not "Lumiaman and his adventures"

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

nobody has answered my question. why is there so much hope for a team that couldnt deliver at Nokia? and dont tell me there were no resources. there were plenty. and why didnt they leave the company earlier if resources were not there. it took maemo 5 years to evolve into something that was still not as good as competitors. i am afraid that this team is undisciplined and run by poor leadership. instead of tweeting they should be producing. where is the product and will it evolve as slowly as maemo?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Your like a person who goes to a band's concert whom he does not like, and then while being there *****es how much he does not like band to other people there.

You slag off meamo while other like it,

Tweeting is also marketing they got past 10,000 followers which spread the word.
They said there will be an announcement later this year about their first product

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i am looking at their history and trying to predict where will it go. company depends on people and ability to execute. ideas are like *******s, everyone has one. and i am not confident that these Nokia bred individuals have the stuff to take on the Silicon Valley

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yet Nokia was the world leader is mobile phones, and were said they invented mobile phone as we know.

There is no point to lie MeeGo/meamo are far from perfect there is plenty of flaws and lack of features. Which I think Jolla can fill in.

I just hope they come up with something great, it would be nice to make Jolla phone as my next phone after N9

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Guys, relax, sit back and wait for it. You dont have a clue...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

it doesn't have be great... n9 has alot of community support and few would say its a great phone!
There'll only be one N900 and i doubt jolla will try to beat it!

My point is.. As long as its mostly open std linux... We'll be there.. Hacking the poo of it, yeah!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Can anyone explain please. Does Jolla use MeeGo name as authorized by the Linux foundation? Or they throw it around in the interviews for PR? Do they really reference MeeGo (i.e. MeeGo project and codebase) in any way, or they solely base their work on Mer (MeeGo fork) adding their UI? I'm asking it in order to clarify their Wikipedia entry, which is way confusing at present, with stuff about MeeGo being all mixed up there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wait.. are you talking about Maemo or Windows Phone? You MENTIONED Maemo but Windows on mobile has been a work in progress for FAR longer than five years and it's still failing to complete with competitors--but everything else you're saying fits the questions we all have about Windows Phone perfectly except they're producing.. and nobody's buying.

Jolla, on the other hand, has only just started up--so they have some benefit of waiting to see what they release as their first foray. Microsoft and Nokia, not-so-much at this point.

I love Silicon Valley in a personal way. As someone who lived and worked in Silicon Valley for a number of years. I might be qualified to point out what someone who isn't from Silicon Valley already pointed out to you correctly despite lacking my experience: You don't have to be from Silicon Valley to make a product and one that might be better. More importantly, if you're calling Microsoft or Nokia a Silicon Valley company, you're sadly mistaken.

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To everyone: Please stop responding to off-topic trolling if you want it to end. Let me remind you that you already know his positions.. why bother arguing or trying to convince somebody that acts like they have an inflexible opinion and possibly an agenda against the very thing you're talking about? Don't ban him--he hasn't done anything bad in actuality.. Just ignore his posts and let the rest of us read and shrug them off. It's just common sense but sometimes I think people need to be reminded.

Personally, I don't mind his posts. It gives me some post history to look back on to see how miserably incorrect he's been so far and it's a source of mild amusement--like looking back at wildly incorrect sports bets and movie reviews that never quite matched public opinion upon release.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This makes me think we need a new feature. A SARCASTIC thanks!

slaapliedje

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

One word, management.

Look at Microsoft, they supposedly have some of the greatesf programmers in the world working for them, yet Windows 8 is absolutely atrocious! Look at what they are doing to Valve; www.zdnet.com/valve-windows-8-is-a-catastrophe-for-pcs-7000001634/

Jolla has the potential to finally get a real GNU/Linux mobile platform out there in heavy use, and that's what myself and many others have been waiting for. Nokia has always treated Maemo/MeeGo as a bastard stepchild.

slaapliedje

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It looks like there are 10 kinds of people that are interested in Jolla in this forums:

0- People that like free software, open standards, hacking, intelectual liberty...

1- Trolls

:D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Please feel free to add your comments in the talk page if you have some concrete proposals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jolla

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There is great deal of difference between programmers' qualities and operating system design. You can have very good programmers to implement poorly designed high-level abstractions. Most of issues with Windows 8 are falling into two categories:

• User interface design and user interface interactions (UI and UX)
• Business decisions surrounding Windows 8 platform usage by MS partners

Note that there were mostly no software implementation issues with Windows 8 APIs yet. Valve complained about performance they've got with OpenGL fixes to their own engine on Windows 7 compared to their own use of DirectX API. Microsoft said they've got much performance increase on Windows 8 for majority of their graphics-related API by moving many pipelines fully to hardware-accellerated paths. I know there is good deal of redesign that went into networking code, like SMB3 protocol design that makes it very good for high-performance networking file system use.

The business decisions that MS makes and particularly hard one on breaking down win32 API and replacing it by a new one to go forward are understandable. They have to do them or set back themselves and make irrelevant for increasingly mobile world. Whether we want to break MS monopoly on PC or not, the era of PC is coming to its end and change is needed. The change is always hard. It is *their* business decision so *they* will be paying their own price for it. The price for not paying it is known: becoming irrelevant.

And this is what Valve and others are complaining about -- the business decision to make win32 API irrelevant in longer run and make largely uncontrolled paths to deliver software to PC users no more tolerated. This is what Valve and others fear because for Valve this is where their business is: Steam as appstore. Without controlling appstore like that they have no way to control their current customers -- both on backchain (game producers, etc) and users. With win32 API derail Steam suppliers will get to invest a lot to rewrite their tools and products for nothing. But losing control of the supply and delivery chain is priority danger for Valve. Same for Microsoft as they are losing both on tied-to-Windows front for 3rd-party applications and their real cash cows, business applications.

MS wants to repeat Apple's success with vertical stack control, from hardware to software to appstores to brand management to data siege with Azure and mobile. They attempted to derail competition to PC on gaming front by jumping to gaming console fight. They attempted to fight back to Apple with smartphone battle. They attempted to neutralize Linux on server side and clouds as far as possible. Now the last fortress is being built on the remnants of PC reign -- not because it was contested within the PC kingdom but because it was made much less relevant.

Yet, they need greatest software engineering mind to implement what their business mind came with to address business challenges. How great is that business mind will be seen through multiple lenses -- software, hardware, partnerships, etc. Old partners don't like to become irrelevant but this doesn't mean there is no need for change.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

AFAIK mer is not a fork?

And btw. I am not intrested to read about people ****ing options bout wp or android or iphone i this thread. Now can we go back to the topic and stop feed the trolls :mad: ?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Mer is a fork of the MeeGo code base. Is it not? It's not a from scratch project.

And I agree - I'm not interested in discussion about MS in this thread. Anyone who want - let them open another thread and discuss what Valve has to say about Windows or what not. But not here.