maemo.org - Talk
Page 23 of 87 « First 132122 23 242533 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   Jolla1 & TOH (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56)
-   -   Jolla User Experience Thread (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91875)

Manatus 2013-12-02 19:54
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 1391860)
UX on SailfishOS Questions
Can any of you with the Jolla explain how these process went (actions versus your expectations)
- receive contact information in an email, initiate a phone call from the info in the email
- [same scenario] copy information into the calendar for upcoming meeting, send meeting request to person(s) on that email, update appointment
- connect to another accessory using Bluetooth, WiFi/DNLA, or NFC/Bluetooth - what worked, what didn't, how long did it take you from deciding to transfer something to it being on the other device
- while on a call, quickly disconnect, then get back on the line with the person (how did the device respond to the switch in/out of the telephone app/service, how did the network seem to respond)
- how long does it take to put device into a silent state when an alarm/ringer is going off, and the device isn't in your hand - what steps did you do to quench the sounds

These are mostly normal UX questions, and things not always covered in reviews. But, in terms of evaluating the UX against and with other platforms, these are the kinds of questions which make a lot of sense to ask. Have at it.
Some answers.

You can double click numbers in email messages. You get a screen that lets you call or send sms to the number. From the top of the screen you can pull down options 'Link' and 'Save' (to contacts, which then opens up regular contact add page).

Calendar events attendees and notes are not currently supported; you can only add the name of the event, description, time, recurrence and alarm. I'd suppose they'll be there some day.

Workaround for this is that after you have created the event, you can share it from the menu as a vcs-file. Not very elegant for business people, so this is just rudimentary execution.

Silencing the phone happens fastest with a short click of the power button.

kinggo 2013-12-02 20:06
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1391828)
Yes, one can even decide not to install Android support in the first place. It does not come preinstalled on the phone, but is available separately from the Jolla Store.
OK, since all apps (native and android) in harbour are at the same place is there any filter for that. Or maybe, If one doesn't install ACL, is there a chance that he doesn't even see android apps.

zlatko 2013-12-02 20:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manatus (Post 1391882)
...
Silencing the phone happens fastest with a short click of the power button.
So now "turn-to-slience" option? It is nice to have, but I think it can be implemented with an application.

pycage 2013-12-02 20:30
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1391884)
OK, since all apps (native and android) in harbour are at the same place is there any filter for that. Or maybe, If one doesn't install ACL, is there a chance that he doesn't even see android apps.
No, you can actually install Android apps without having Alien Dalvik installed. If you click the icon in the launcher then, the store will open with the Android Support app page for installation.

kinggo 2013-12-02 20:43
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
So, there's no filter? meh......... OK, after all that marketing with android I wasn't expecting much more. Even the ability to not install ACL is unexpected feature, a big + for me. The option to not even see android apps without ACL would be a cherry on top.

pycage 2013-12-02 20:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1391896)
So, there's no filter? meh......... OK, after all that marketing with android I wasn't expecting much more. Even the ability to not install ACL is unexpected feature, a big + for me. The option to not even see android apps without ACL would be a cherry on top.
Oh, there would be a fine solution for this problem: submit proper Sailfish apps to Harbour, not alien Android apps. :)

MartinK 2013-12-02 20:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1391896)
So, there's no filter? meh......... OK, after all that marketing with android I wasn't expecting much more. Even the ability to not install ACL is unexpected feature, a big + for me. The option to not even see android apps without ACL would be a cherry on top.
To me it sounds like all the Android applications come from external stores (Yandex & co) and that Harbour carries only Jolla-native applications. I could be mistaken though.

pycage 2013-12-02 20:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1391902)
To me it sounds like all the Android applications come from external stores (Yandex & co) and that Harbour carries only Jolla-native applications. I could be mistaken though.
Harbour accept Android apps, and the Jolla Store has two or three Android apps, e.g. Ilta-Sanomat.

pichlo 2013-12-02 20:56
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1391876)
Alarm: About three seconds. Touching the screen with a finger and then either pushing up (dismiss) or pulling down (snooze) and then releasing.
Good old Mr Douglas Adams got it right, then, 35 years ago. Devices used to be operated by buttons, knobs and levers, nowadays you just vaguely wave your hand and hope. When an alarm wakes me up, eyes still stuck closed, am I expected to remember which way the phone is turned so I don't swipe down when I mean up?

Someone's also mentioned the control bar in the default browser. It opens by scrolling up, on the assumption that you scroll up when you've finished reading the page. That wouldn't work for me on this very website. I scroll up when I've finished reading the thread and want to go back to the list on the right. And that is on an N900 in landscape mode, which Jolla apparently does not support yet.

In other words, I don't regret at all that I've missed the preorder boat ;)

For those slow on the uptake, please follow the link first before answering.

MartinK 2013-12-02 20:57
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1391903)
Harbour accept Android apps, and the Jolla Store has two or three Android apps, e.g. Ilta-Sanomat.
OK then, I stand corrected. :)

att 2013-12-02 21:06
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manatus (Post 1391882)
You can double click numbers in email messages.
Single tap seems to be enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manatus (Post 1391882)
Silencing the phone happens fastest with a short click of the power button.
This doesn't seem to work for alarms, but it works for incoming phone calls.

kollin 2013-12-02 21:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1391885)
So now "turn-to-slience" option? It is nice to have, but I think it can be implemented with an application.
There is a "Silence" option in the pulley menu. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...psa08f0ee1.png

att 2013-12-02 21:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1391885)
So now "turn-to-slience" option? It is nice to have, but I think it can be implemented with an application.
Turn-to-silence doesn't seem to work.

att 2013-12-02 21:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1391880)
Does the jPhone ship with a frog sound for SMS notification?
Messages have jolla-messagetone as default tone. Its very short clip of Jolla's tune heard on some Jolla's videos.

att 2013-12-02 22:13
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1391369)
A good idea of a new post IMHO. What SD cards work.
I bought Kingston SDC10/32GB (32GB microSDHC Memory Card Class 10 with SD Adapter). It seems to work fine with Jolla.

cy8aer 2013-12-02 22:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
What about formatting a 64GB card with btrfs: does it work then?

richardyates 2013-12-02 22:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Ignore my question earlier about flickr, a reinstall fixed it. Have also extracted my microsd card for now in case that is causing a problem

late88 2013-12-02 23:05
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
If anyone still having problems with android whatsapp, here's quick solutions:

1) For sound problem: Use some filemanager of your choise and put any sound to /sdcard and select it from the settings

2) For contacts missing: delete all your contacts and add them again _when whatsapp installed_. So if you want to use whatsapp, I highly recommend to install it before you add any contacts to your phone.

kollin 2013-12-02 23:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1391947)
What about formatting a 64GB card with btrfs: does it work then?
From dmesg is evident that the OS supports btrfs ;)

Quote:
[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: init=/sbin/preinit root=/dev/mmcblk0p28 rootfstype=btrfs rootflags=recovery noinitrd androidboot.hardware=qcom user_debug=31 ehci-hcd.park=3 maxcpus=2 androidboot.emmc=true androidboot.serialno=DU3BB00426 androidboot.baseband=msm project_id=3 androidboot.board_adc=1119 lcm=1 wlanmac=5056A8010017 do_fsck=1 bootup_reason=0xFFAFDBFE wifibin=0 pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_pwr_key emmc_wp_size=8388608 board_id=DVT0

kinggo 2013-12-02 23:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1391901)
Oh, there would be a fine solution for this problem: submit proper Sailfish apps to Harbour, not alien Android apps. :)
unfortunatelly, I know nothing about programming so that's not gonna happen. I offered to help with something else but still no answer of any kind. Although we were all invited to join the tribe and help create something different :rolleyes:

cy8aer 2013-12-02 23:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1391963)
From dmesg is evident that the OS supports btrfs ;)
Right, but does it automount the card with btrfs? And: which userid/groupid is needed to get data on it from the phone's user view?

kollin 2013-12-02 23:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1391969)
Right, but does it automount the card with btrfs?
I'm planning this experiment when i get my jolla ;)
But fs should not matter, except if it is some closed source type like zfs or exfat.

cy8aer 2013-12-03 00:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cy8aer (Post 1391969)
Right, but does it automount the card with btrfs?
Better (of course) would be it can find a LUKS layer (open it on startup after pin entry) and find the btrfs partition in it and automount :rolleyes:

marbleuser 2013-12-03 00:41
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1390453)
could somebody try to install an android 'offline' gps app? there are plenty free trial versions, like from sygic. i'd beinterested to see how these work (or don't).
Nobody yet?

rcolistete 2013-12-03 01:37
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1391692)
WUT? Sailfish does not come with a native file manager? :eek:
I have neverever heard of such a thing before! Is that even possible? Unspeakable! how....
Nokia N9 has no file manager pre-installed...

shmerl 2013-12-03 02:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
How good is BTRFS for a flash memory (sd card)? Any filesystem with excessive writing and journaling is going to be more taxing for flash which has a limited lifetime and amount of writings until it burns out. It of course might not matter at all, if that sdcard isn't used heavily.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1391970)
I'm planning this experiment when i get my jolla ;)
But fs should not matter, except if it is some closed source type like zfs or exfat.
ZFS is open, except the Oracle's additions. See http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Main_Page

javispedro 2013-12-03 04:43
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1391780)
But also many (lazy) Android-developers do not just care if their app go to Stopped-state. They just assume a user would always run their app in the foreground and then quit it when a user is done with it. It then gets frustrating if a user goes back to the app and expects it to be in the same state where (s)he left it.
Because the Android one is a stupid paradigm. Linux already contains a layer that is designed for handling bazillions of processes that are doing nothing, and it will transparently swap them out when there is memory pressure. As long as there is swap, which for some reason Android seems not to have.

The fact that some idiots decided to implement a new layer on top of this one that for some weird reason forces developers to manually implement checkpointing (aka saving and restoring state) into each and every small application is something I cannot understand. Possibly it has more to do with Android's PalmOS roots than anything else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1391836)
Lets not go to too deep in this OT, but the terminal window program's backend could (should) be programmed to be Service and IntentService and it could do just that what you describe. Terminal's GUI would be a normal Activity which connects to that backend which is running CLI processes and bash. The GUI part could be killed in between when a user leaves it (the terminal window) to the background.
Great, so apart from the already existing separation between the terminal process and the bash process (whose only relation is that one is the controller of the other's tty), I have to make up an extra third process that was previously not needed just to fit into this weird reinvention of the wheel. And invent a new IPC paradigm (in Java nonetheless) to communicate the terminal controller with this new third process.

kollin 2013-12-03 07:22
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1391988)
How good is BTRFS for a flash memory (sd card)? Any filesystem with excessive writing and journaling is going to be more taxing for flash which has a limited lifetime and amount of writings until it burns out. It of course might not matter at all, if that sdcard isn't used heavily.



ZFS is open, except the Oracle's additions. See http://www.open-zfs.org/wiki/Main_Page
Zfs is not GPL-ed ;)

richardyates 2013-12-03 07:26
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I mentioned yesterday that when I set an alarm, the alarm appeared to be set an hour later, so when I set my alarm for 06:43, it showed as set at 07:43.

I checked the time zones etc and then set an alarm for 05:43, which showed up as an alarm at 06:43, so I was happy

Until the inevitable happened, and the alarm which showed it was set for 06:43 went off at 05:43 :-(

Leinad 2013-12-03 07:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1392024)
I mentioned yesterday that when I set an alarm, the alarm appeared to be set an hour later, so when I set my alarm for 06:43, it showed as set at 07:43.

I checked the time zones etc and then set an alarm for 05:43, which showed up as an alarm at 06:43, so I was happy

Until the inevitable happened, and the alarm which showed it was set for 06:43 went off at 05:43 :-(
it's not a bug, it's a feature.this gives you time for a nice relaxed breakfast :)

mariusmssj 2013-12-03 08:55
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1392024)
I mentioned yesterday that when I set an alarm, the alarm appeared to be set an hour later, so when I set my alarm for 06:43, it showed as set at 07:43.

I checked the time zones etc and then set an alarm for 05:43, which showed up as an alarm at 06:43, so I was happy

Until the inevitable happened, and the alarm which showed it was set for 06:43 went off at 05:43 :-(
I always used to set my alarm on Nokia phone and turn them off once the time they would turn on and the alarm would go off.

It worked with N9 but one time it never turned on :( has to re-flash it since then I my nexus 7 as my alarm. I really hope that Jolla fixes the issues with alarm.

att 2013-12-03 08:59
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Talouselämä magazine has article "The display of Jolla handset in the world's first test - a surprising result" in Finnish.

Jolla-luurin näyttö maailman ensimmäisessä testissä - yllättävä tulos
http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/jo...s/a2219060?s=n

Short translation of the summary:

Jolla's display reproduces colors close to the ideal precision. This is rare on the mobile front, as usually the color reproduction of tablets and smartphones is bad. Jolla's brightness, contrast and white balance, however, are only average.

The information is based on the measurements of MPC laboratory.

Edit: Some info based on the article:

Jolla reproduces sRGB color space: 101,6%
Only better smartphones are Apple iPhone 5 (104,0%) and HTC One (101,8%).
For example Nokia Lumia 920: only 84,8%

Greens are slightly supersaturated, red tones are little flat. Naked eye cannot detect them.

Jolla's white balance is weak. Normal consumer equipment has white tone of 6500 K, Jolla's white is more than 8400 K.

Jolla's brighness: less than 350 cd/m
Best smart phones: typically 400-500 cd/m
Very best: more than 600 cd/m

Jolla's contrast: 640:1 contrast ratio, only average
Good mobile LCD: minimum 1000:1
Best: up to nearly 2000:1

richardyates 2013-12-03 09:02
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1392029)
it's not a bug, it's a feature.this gives you time for a nice relaxed breakfast :)
Lol shame I went to bed at 01:00 though :-/

Iipe 2013-12-03 09:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyates (Post 1392052)
Lol shame I went to bed at 01:00 though :-/
Did your Jolla cause that too?

Not a good phone if it doesn't let you go to sleep and wakes you up earlier than it should :)

dommau 2013-12-03 10:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1392051)
Talouselämä magazine has article "The display of Jolla handset in the world's first test - a surprising result" in Finnish.

Jolla-luurin näyttö maailman ensimmäisessä testissä - yllättävä tulos
http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/jo...s/a2219060?s=n

Short translation of the summary:

Jolla's display reproduces colors close to the ideal precision. This is rare on the mobile front, as usually the color reproduction of tablets and smartphones is bad. Jolla's brightness, contrast and white balance, however, are only average.

The information is based on the measurements of MPC laboratory.

Seems like they had to choose - a good panel with a slightly lower resolution, or a 720p crap panel.
I'm happy with their choice, I rather see the occasional pixel than have unbalanced colours or darker/brighter areas on the display etc.
Maaaybe even a hypothetical N9esque LPS could be reasonably possible without ruining the display and consuming lots of power.

droll 2013-12-03 11:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
it's ok. select the panel to keep costs down so they can ship a device with a decent entry price instead of high price (remember they don't have economies of scale like Apple or Samsung yet; so they need to keep it real).

i'm sure they will offer better hardware if they get to their target sales numbers.

bockersjv 2013-12-03 12:05
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
The Contacts Application (People)

"everything you could want to know but were afraid to ask"



I refer to contacts, but they are referred to as people on the Jolla, not sure why as they are not just people but could include companies etc. In fact Jolla refers to them as contacts in the Phone application!

Please not ethese are my experiences and I have tried to state information rather than judgement, not always easy though.

Firstly getting my names across via bluetooth only worked for a handful of contacts. Facebook contacts work fine on facebook sync.
Facebook user image is used as the avatar
Clicking on the avatar you can
Select another from gallery (phone memory only, not SD card)
Remove avatar
Deleting multiple contacts is not possible, they can only be deleted one by one.
If you have a lot of contacts under one letter you have to scroll up and down to get back to the all contacts view, not very easy.
You can’t reorder the phone details within contacts or chose the primary number.
You can view a list of all online contacts.
No ability to group contacts.
You can set a contact as a favourite, which appears at the top of the contacts page.
This is done by clicking on the star outline which is then filled
If you have favourites that have avatars the will appear in moving tiles when the contact application is minimised.
Recent call shows below favourites on the contacts page
Quality of the Avatars is far better than the N9
There is no information from Facebook such as last status update
There is an indicator to show if they are live on facebook chat
This shows as a small green box under the facebook logo next to the avatar
On a list view is shows as a short green bar under the contact name
There is no integration with Twitter
In the people App front screen you can pull menu for
add contact and search
Within each contact the pull down menu for:-
Edit, share, link, delete
.
On the contact list view a long press on a contact allows you to:-
Edit, add to favourite, delete
You cannot add a contact to the apps screen as an icon

Contacts option in the settings, app menu
Change to show last name first
Change to sort by last name
Import contacts from sim car
Import Contacts from File
I think that is Contacts/People covered. Needs some work still but is very useable IMHO

ad29 2013-12-03 12:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quick question, can anyone check if gifs can be played from the gallery?

jpel 2013-12-03 13:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Some Android Benchmark results:

Antutu:

Total: 13034
Multitask: 1704
Dalvik: 1035
CPU integer: 1002
CPU float-point: 684
RAM operation: 450
RAM speed: 1110
2D graphics: [540x888] 608
3D graphics: [540x888] 4737
Storage I/O: 1099
Database I/O: 605

Device model: alien_jolla_bionic
OS: 4.1.2

Quadrant:

Total: 3718
CPU: 5090
Mem: 6802
I/O: 4607
2D: 298
3D: 1795

bockersjv 2013-12-03 13:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ad29 (Post 1392114)
Quick question, can anyone check if gifs can be played from the gallery?
They show but don't animate :(


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:26.
Page 23 of 87 « First 132122 23 242533 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8