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Luke-Jr 2009-10-04 19:29

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by R-R (Post 338336)
The only "valid" security argument is that in most legislation it's illegal to be able to "tune" a radio to operate on other specs which will not necessarily comply with the frequency/power in which they are authorized to operate.

(But limitation should actually be enforced in the firmware!)

No. Regulations change, and vary by region. Such limitations must clearly only be in software. However, that is not a valid excuse to keep the source hidden. Modifying the source is not "tuning" a radio any more than hex editing a binary blob is. If it is illegal to distribute the source that could be hacked, it is also illegal to distribute a blob that could be hacked. The only advantage someone has with source is that they're less likely to do damage *accidentally*. Someone who intentionally wants to violate the regulations won't be stopped.

Andre Klapper 2009-10-04 20:02

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 338213)
Keep exclusivity software: this is not required to sell a great many unit. I'll add that the N900 is an exclusivity to himself: there is not exist a mobile PC equivalent today.

Exclusivity can be kept for a longer time when not sharing your code.

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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 338213)
IPR & licensing issues: The risk of having patents on technologies include in Maemo 5 is the same for present proprietary elements than for elements already FOSS. For example: The kernel Linux may also contain elements protected by patents or licenses unauthorized. In addition, SCO seems saved to the bankrupt, so they could try attack Nokia for using the Linux kernel. Yet Nokia uses the Linux kernel in Maemo 5.

Your elaborations are unrelated... Nokia works together with a variety of other companies - in software and hardware. It's often not Nokia only who can decide here. And even if some partial decisions are in Nokia's hands only, it still takes a while for lawyers to check code and potential issues before making it public. If you are a lawyer who's specialized in international law and covers several countries you will know.

In general there are different concepts for everything - open source vs commercial software, capitalistic democracy vs communism, mixtures of them (e.g. freeware).
It's the right and freedom of every company and individual to choose what they think is right for them.
I hope you agree with this.

In general "Open everything now!" talk is easy if you're not in a position that makes you responsible for the jobs of thousands of people if your company suddenly goes bankrupt because you gave away all your competitive advantage.

And still, Maemo5/Fremantle DOES have way more open source components than Maemo4/Diablo had. Nokia is on the right way, though it could sometimes really be a bit faster, but I guess that's normal with bigger companies.


"All opinions in this post are my personal opinions only, blah..." :-P

korbé 2009-10-04 20:30

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
@Andre Klapper:

We can't use commercial models created for proprietary software with Free (as free speach) Software.

When doing and/or distributes Free (as free speach) Software, must conceive things differently.

Currently, Nokia distributes Maemo, OS containing a large number of Free (as free speach) Software, as a proprietary OS.

It's not a good sollution.

attila77 2009-10-04 20:45

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 339379)
It's not a good sollution.

Good or not, it is the best solution available as of yet.

korbé 2009-10-04 20:51

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 339391)
Good or not, it is the best solution available as of yet.

No, and I've proven several times.
Than it like or not to Fanboys

Andre Klapper 2009-10-04 20:55

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 339379)
@Andre Klapper:

We can't use commercial models created for proprietary software with Free (as free speach) Software.

I can. So I hope your "We" does not also include me.

Texrat 2009-10-04 20:56

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 339395)
No, and I've proven several times.

There's a difference between objective evidence and emphatic opinion.

SD69 2009-10-04 20:57

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 339351)
Exclusivity can be kept for a longer time when not sharing your code.

Your elaborations are unrelated... Nokia works together with a variety of other companies - in software and hardware. It's often not Nokia only who can decide here. And even if some partial decisions are in Nokia's hands only, it still takes a while for lawyers to check code and potential issues before making it public. If you are a lawyer who's specialized in international law and covers several countries you will know.

In general there are different concepts for everything - open source vs commercial software, capitalistic democracy vs communism, mixtures of them (e.g. freeware).
It's the right and freedom of every company and individual to choose what they think is right for them.
I hope you agree with this.

In general, this is correct and understandable. But for software that is EOL, maybe not so clear. There's a difference between keeping EOL software locked in a room so that no one can use it, and letting others use it at their own risk. And an even bigger difference when the software is developed with the assistance of a community that deserves to at least be in the room.

This is not just my comment:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845#c11

korbé 2009-10-04 21:00

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 339400)
I can. So I hope your "We" does not also include me.

Free software and proprietary software do not make the same ways, it don't distribute the same manner and, therefore, it is not profitable in the same way.
It's simple.

The use of 'WE' is owed to a bad translation from French into English. Excuse me.

Andre Klapper 2009-10-04 21:06

Re: Closed Source Packages in Maemo
 
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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 339406)
Free software and proprietary software do not make the same ways, it don't distribute the same manner and, therefore, it is not profitable in the same way.

In that point I totally agree. However both can learn from each other. It's not that closed source is always something evil.

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Originally Posted by korbé (Post 339406)
The use of 'WE' is owed to a bad translation from French into English.

:-) Not a problem.


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