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volt 2010-08-07 04:07

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
That's just the point, though. Bringing a fully working, feature-complete Mer (or MeeGo, since Mer is now an inactive project) to an existing device is a TOO BIG JOB for me and you and the community to do. That's why Mer didn't finish. Not because I didn't work on it.

Now, I am looking at a tiny bit of problem in trying to set up a better companionship between the N900 and the N810, and even this single use case for sync-free, from-pocket audio playback using existing solutions, takes me weeks of spare/stolen time to do. Mer would consist of a million use cases. There's not thousands of me willing to spend spare time on it.

If MeeGo should ever work as good as Maemo on the N900, it requires substantial commitment from Nokia. Once Nokia has another Made-For-MeeGo device they can do their work on, the N900s will start dusting down. What they haven't opened up by then, they're not likely to open up. And that means workarounds, delays, bugs, not-as-good solutions.

In my opinion.

If I want to get a MeeGo phone that works as well as my Maemo phone, then I need to buy a MeeGo phone. That's what I think, anyway.

Oh, and if Nokia had been HTC or Motorola and it was HTC or Motorola that made Maemo/MeeGo, I'd still believe that this is how it'll play out. But with Nokia, we've seen it before. Well, this forum has:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbutler@mac.com (Post 778144)
It's just like the 770 days, when Nokia dropped new OS support after a year and a half. Loud complaints and feelings of betrayal from many users, promise of a 'community-supported' release of the new OS, hacked to try and get around closed driver binary blobs and the like. (In the end, I stuck with the last 'official' release instead of the hacked one, at least it was more stable.)


nilchak 2010-08-07 04:11

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Oh MER, I waited and waited ... and didnt sell my N810 with hopes of MER.

Now I am not selling my N900 ... with hope again.

abill_uk 2010-08-07 04:18

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
AM sorry to say Volt but you think right and have reason to do so but if you expect Nokia to give more than it already has done then we will all be deluded.

As far as Nokia and the N900 is concerned no way they will invest any more into it as they have already moved on as we all realise now by reading the threads on here.

But having said that it will not stop there because too many have got this device now and this is why we need to give as much support to developers like stkeeps who are working hard but also need the encouragement from us to carry on doing so.

Yes i agree that any hacked version is not as good as the manufacturers but hell what choice do we have?.

Support in your own way is more important little or great as we all depend on it now.

nilchak 2010-08-07 04:21

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
While I totally admire and support the community aspect of an OS development, the resources required are too big (as Volt mentioned) to do such testing and porting and hardware adaptation. In the end without the support of Nokia there is the chnace it will stll be a half baked effort.

And this has been true for 770 - N800/N810 - N900 transitions.

This has been true for the Zauaus open development effort - which also died (petered out) slowly and painfully.

Have seen (and initially supported) such well meaning intentions by the community - but I realize thw logistical tasks are not possible without the parent company doing the main leg-work.

A lot of N900 usres are not happy with the unfinished nature of the N900 at least in the phone dept. To get a finished Meego device we will have to buy a MeeGo device itself probably.

If I am proven wrong I will be the most happiest - but at this juncture my scepticim gets the better of my enthusiastic self.

abill_uk 2010-08-07 04:24

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 778496)
Oh MER, I waited and waited ... and didnt sell my N810 with hopes of MER.

Now I am not selling my N900 ... with hope again.

Join the club lol.

c:drive 2010-08-07 04:24

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 777554)
Letīs make everyone blind!

ha ha ha ha ha,,,,,Nokia,,,,,,,conecting crazy users,,,,,,,,,

abill_uk 2010-08-07 04:27

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
there is an old time war saying that goes like this.... When going through hell... carry on !.

volt 2010-08-07 04:35

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Maybe this time it'll be different.

This - when I've just pulled out some seemingly correct math proof that show hope is illogical - is when qgil usually jumps in all disgruntled-like and surprises me with some unexpected MeeGo-on-N900 development announcement. *eager*

abill_uk 2010-08-07 04:50

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 778511)
Maybe this time it'll be different.

This - when I've just pulled out some seemingly correct math proof that show hope is illogical - is when qgil usually jumps in all disgruntled-like and surprises me with some unexpected MeeGo-on-N900 development announcement. *eager*

I dont rate qgil very highly because everything he says never gets completed for one reason or another so better he keep his mouth shut unless it is happened !.

He seemed very very enthusiastic on Maemo but i feel the problem is he gets the carpet pulled from under his feet and bang goes everything he talks.

neotalk 2010-08-07 11:50

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arcticrobot (Post 777912)
It has been mentioned many times, retweeted by other users and completely ignored by Niklas. Heres an example:
__SubZero__ @niklasatnokia Hello. As a N900 owner I want to know wheter you will continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

You can see all by yourself going to twitter.com if you got account and searching for #niklas. Good luck digging through that digital junk.

i was refering to niklas...niklas did not mention the n900 once.

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