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Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225972)

Just like Nokia loaned out the original N950's?

Come on, let's be honest, no council before was given awards and this council didn't deserve them either.

I am trying to propose a compromise; ulfimate justice is not possible. Make up your own proposal if you wish.

BTW: I'm not reading Abills posts, so no agreement or disagreement with him should be assumed by anyone.

I think that papering over tbe disagreement and moving on is the best thing to do, unless someone feels that their 200 votes makes them all-powerful and not needing to make a deal.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1225986)

A> Please stop spreading FUD.
B> Stop changing your story.

Perhaps if you actually read the e-mail, and the follow ups to it, you would see the truth. (No, really... I took the time to find it, so please, at least read it and it's replies...)

While you're reading it, notice the date. Your previous statement that:

Is WRONG. This "change" happened in April, weeks before Council elections, and over a month before submissions started. Estel was a candidate for Council at that point, one of 7 at the time. Aries was also part of the nomination group

It was re-discussed at least 3 more times, on TMO, in IRC, and at Council meetings to make it widely known, and to completely clarify that the decision, made in April, months before, had not changed. And in fact, Arie took part in this discussion. So to claim it was an unknown until now? Really? It was known by all candidates, whom all chimed in on this topic in early May.

Edit: I think I see your confusion now. You seem to think the "announcement" Estel is talking about is his announcement as Council about CA. It's not. It's the announcement by Quim of the award contests back in April. But then you'd have to involved in the community to know that I suppose...

Well we agree on one thing, it seems we've found common ground, now tell me why was vi_ given an N950 over itsnotabigtruck or e-yes?

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 1225951)

No. But I seriously wonder why the community device program awarded you a device, since nobody wants to update the wiki or provide minutes. You speak in a very condescending manner to anyone that you don't agree with. I sure wouldn't have voted for you.

You want minutes? I gave them to you already, in the form of the process we used.

What you really want is exact, personal discussions on each person, which frankly no... you won't get. You don't get that at most competitions. Do you see the individual votes for every contestant, and the reasoning for it from each judge at every competition you see? This is not American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

And I saved the best for last... (or rather put all of one persons stuff into one large reply).

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225799)

No, no, I would have supported Woody being the only judge. That I would have preferred, because he didn't get a device himself.

Then accept the winners as they are. As I noted, only 3 in the list would have been different, and none would have been people you've championed for here.

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225881)

Freemangordon himself said he has no intention of coding or doing anything for Harmattan,

And N9 only runs Harmattan, right? It can't possibly run other flavors of OS. Perhaps his goal is to work elsewhere in the community around N9. Or perhaps he'll just use it as a phone, like the thousands of other people out there. Wouldn't that be something...

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225881)

Yes, he is well deserving, but he's not doing anything for the community, so why exactly did we give him one of the last remaining dev kits?

Because he's deserving. Period. That was the merit of this competition. As for the FUD about this being "one of the last kits", I'll not there are 3 other competitions upcoming, ALL of which have plenty of devices.

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225888)

No, no, Woody will come and say you're insulting people and take apart your post somehow

No.. he was quite calm and collected actually. He articulated his concern, based on things people actually said. He made no assumptions, and didn't attack people personally as you've been doing.

He's wrong in thinking (like you and so many others here) that this was an award for future work, or for potential help to a specific community. But other then that, he was quite nice about his concerns.

He also didn't claim he was the grand puhba of Harmattan, or that disagreeing with him implied I was some how taking a dump on everyone with an N9 in their pocket... Just saying...

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1225988)

Well we agree on one thing, it seems we've found common ground, now tell me why was vi_ given an N950 over itsnotabigtruck or e-yes?

A> Stop demanding things.
B> I and at least one other Council have already said we will not be discussing or answering anything in the form of "why didn't X get one over Y". This is a dead horse, and a dead end.

Have a nice weekend. :)

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1225989)

You want minutes? I gave them to you already, in the form of the process we used.

What you really want is exact, personal discussions on each person, which frankly no... you won't get. You don't get that at most competitions. Do you see the individual votes for every contestant, and the reasoning for it from each judge at every competition you see? This is not American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 1225504)

Also, as I edited above: If you were to apply for a job that said "past experience references optional", and didn't supply any, do you think that helps or hurts your chances? Why would you not take the time to at least list a few bread crumbs to follow?

Why would you ask me to compare to the real world and at the same time you refuse to do whats done on most of the real world competition.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

It has been said that current members of Council need up to date devices to properly represent the membership. My proposal, that ownership be returned to Council when a recipient stops being a member of Council, is specifically designed to respond to that argument.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

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Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1225877)

abill_uk its not about putting people off from developing for the community...what this risks is the opening of wounds of past whereby freemantle devs didn't put efforts into harmattan even though they got n950s...

Did this ever happen? I thought the main worry was that previously Fremantle devs would sway to Harmattan.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

Since this is an open community I don't see why Community Council have problems to disclose the method used to rank and select winners.

The "no I wont let you know why we choose X" answers are not really helping at all. I think the people just ask for a transparent process and it shouldn't be hard to do that.

Re: [Council] Community Awards: final results

I frankly doubt that answers on why x was chosen over y would be that informative, or quell any controversy.