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swaying back and forward but have decided to cancel my preorder.

Just couldnt convince myself to take the risk at this price point

Best of luck though Liangchen, you deserve success

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Good choice. You can always join the show later if you change your mind.
I will probably join so I just might take your spot. I want to see the real deal first. Maybe be able to remap keys. Check out if the software works.

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I don't know if it has been asked before but regarding the battery, is it removable ?

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No.
See bottom entry of pre-order FAQ.

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Where is the nfc reader? Is it front facing?

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wonder if it safe to say that all apps that works on a note9 will work Pro1 if they are available in play Store?


How long can we expect updates? can we even expect updates and security patches?

What can I expect regarding that?

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Well Dave, you can expect whatever you want.
We are expecting that your pool of pointless questions will dry out. Soon.
But at the end it all comes down to how realistic are your expectations. :rolleyes:

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Thanks. I do.

Do you have any answers or is that you final answer...

But you know me. Don’t stop becouse someone trying to stop me with some bull. Unless they have a valid point. Do you?

I’m uncertain of what to expect when it comes to software since chen is 100% hardware and that take so much resources just to create a phone which isn’t a simple task.

When you read everything about the device it’s time to ask more.

Just trying to tune my expectations with the rest of you.

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What will the return policy be like if I don't like the device in the end? Can I just box it up and send it back within 14 days?

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Well since you are in EU and the device is shipped from inside EU you should know the answer already...? :p

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Well. Never trust that with small company where you never know if and what compony build/sell/ship the product. Do we know livmortium is doing this?

Or is this FxTec a registered brand and responsible?

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Heh, what I meant is that there are laws that govern how it goes. I mean what extra comfort does one get by asking if there is a return policy; it's the law and companies either follow it or not.
And if they are not going to follow it, are they going to confess to that beforehand? :p

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Interested in return policy and warranty as well

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True. Most likely not :D

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We will be following EU regulations for EU customers or course, everything is legal and in compliance with the law. We are not Dave and will not think and act that way. :)

There will be local service centres for repair etc as well. Details will be posted before shipping. Also there might be chance of selling spare components. Tearing down this device isn't difficult, for screen or battery replacement.

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Sounds good to me.
What do you mean you are not Dave?

Dave999 compliment means 100% legit. No scamers involved. To be certified you have to explain how you came in contact with youyota, who is involved pro1 and what companies are involved in the sales/legal entity.

Note: I don’t expect this to be a scam. Just got burned by jolla and are just extra carful when dealing with interweb sales.
If you want to hold that against me. Ok. It’s not suitable for any business.

Looking forward to more information and release.

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This post got me this message from HtheB:

“By this way, I'm giving you an official warning.
Keep trolling and you'll be banned.

No other warnings to you.”

I guess I have leave this project. Doesn’t seems to be for everyone after all. Slightly disappointed. But I will survive without this phone

Take care.

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If it is any consolation, I don't consider you trolling much in thist thread. Except when you start bashing Jolla, that is.

Surprisingly most of your posts are rather sensible.

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I agree with that 100%. I meant to say that earlier but haven't come to it. This time, IMHO kinggo was overreacting a bit.

It is valid to ask for update policy. There have been much bigger companies running dry on their promises.

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I did? How?
How are note9 specific apps related to pro1? Questions like this are nothing more than trolling.

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Where is the button where I can say thanks to HtheB for this useful post? :)

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I don’t know. But it’s not here :D

Why ban people asking questions?

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Asking suggestive questions is a great way to obfuscate baseless accusations yet make those unspoken accusations seem reasonable to anyone who's just passing by. So how about that string of robberies? Did you get some good stuff?

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If that was directed to me I don’t really get the last part.
But if you just passing by you don’t have the complete picture anyways so all questions can be fish. Poeple reading the first page can think that nokia disigners designed the phone. When the real fact is they designed the slider part.

You need context otherwise you can ask the right questions and nelther can you understand the answers.

But hey. Keep talking about this potential phone instead. Don’t let me get in your way.

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I think that even though Daves questions are formed in the way that they have accusations (not baseless, possible is a proper term) with them chen has been very nice and answered these and by this we have got a lot very good information. Dave has been all the time being doing a favor for all of us while trying to prevent to be disappointed again (same time trying to prevent anyone else from being disappointed).

HtheB has one role in this matter, Dave has another. For me it seems both work for the best of this community in this thread. Opposite sides are needed to see where the road really is.

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Now we just need the name of the guy who will mix the black paint for the casing and we'll have all the relevant info's to preorder one. :rolleyes:

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Easy battery replacement thank you! I feel like so many manufacturers purposely design phones to be hard to repair/disposable.
Only thing I'm really afraid about is device size. Is there any way I can try the device before I buy or a return policy?

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I bump this question, because "USB Type-C with HDMI support" sounds very speculatively. Is there any detailed information like what IC do you use for NFC support?

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USB is 3.0 for sure.

NFC solution is NXP's NQ330.

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Fully agree with you - I am also not a fan of gluing things together.

Despite we are a slider but disassemble is much easier than a lot of candy bar phones. No suction cup, no heat gun. All you need is a small screwdriver. :)

Yes we are indeed planning for an event for all the friends around us to come and play the device and have drink together. We are trying to do it around May. That would be a great chance for you to feel and type the product.

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I live in USA though. You guys coming to the states? Specifically NJ? Lol

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Sounds like a good idea, will try to make it and let you know. (If there is enough interest from others for the event)

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Depends on the exact time and location, but I am also most of my time on the "other" side of the ocean.

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Chen, did you ask Jolla for any help with Sailfish? If so, what did they answer?

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Below, my expectations as a user. Please correct if wrong.

I would expect that most of the apps will work for a while, since they don't target the hardware specifically. So, note9, sony xz1 (same chipset as pro 1, if I understood correctly), and this one, probably all are fine. Special versions designed for this device would depend on developers and possibly company interest (latter would depend on whether its successful). If we have reasonable traction on SFOS, I would expect app devs to listen to the users and adjust the applications as needed. Mainly, landscape mode would need more attention, but shouldn't be too difficult.

Now system updates can be split into two. There are updates of OS (SFOS, Lineage, ...) that I would expect for a while. Actively maintained ports have a long lifetime and if we have enough users, they can go through several maintainers as well during the lifetime. Since its a unique device and, assuming that it will sell, it should be cherished by OS maintainers for a while. This support doesn't depend much on Fxtec, as far as I can see, in long term. As my own experience, I have had devices supported by community far longer than 1-2 year cycle commonly used by HW manufacturers. In this respect, its a great move by Chen to get the device into hands of porters / adapters and I would expect good ports to come out of it. After that it should be reasonably simple to maintain.

As for driver updates, security fixes on driver level, that's what I don't know much. I would expect that it will depend on chipset manufacturer and I have no idea how are those distributed and made available. Would be interesting to hear regarding it.

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We are currently with the community adaptation route. Sample device has already been sent to the developer. Also we are engaging more developers to help for the build. My target is when the product shipping from factory there is already good SFOS build to flash.

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This really shows the passion of the makers for the F(x) Pro1.
How can someone not support guys like you!?

Keep up the AWESOME work!

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Does this mean there is no possibility for Alien Dalvik as it is not an "official" SFOS device but a community adaptation instead?

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That would be the correct answer. However, there are open source alternatives, which can be worked on to get to and passed their level of integration and implementation. Anbox being one example.

I am seriously considering of getting the device I was planning to test out the device at their office if/once they organise that. In which case I would work on an android app compatibility layer be it Anbox or something else.

Speaking of Anbox, by default the keyboard is disabled as it is set up for use on a desktop/laptop. This device would not have that issue, making one less thing to fix.

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Even if it would be better to have Alien Dalvik, I can leave quite well without Android apps...