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NoX	2010-03-26 13:04

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 582578)

@nox: did hstende's fix also work for you (in Spanish, right?)

I just tried it, and now my desktop appears, and I can launch programs, but the Menu doesn't work, the icon is there, but when I click it nothing comes out... well, It seems like it tries to open the menu, but there is nothing inside... I don't know if I have explained it well... :o

I will try to find the problem later

taxaza

2010-03-26 15:53

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I have 2 questions:
1) Why I still can't vote for easy-deb-chroot?
2) Why every time deb-chroot is started and mounted many folders in MyDocs (e.g. "Documents", "Camera", etc) disappear? Are they somewhere else to be found?

hstende

2010-03-26 16:10

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

@qole I have another suggestion to put in /var/run/onfirstchroot.rc:
sed '1,/mmcblk0p1/d' /proc/mounts >/etc/mtab

Then df would work.ox

@nox I have had that problem before. When I had it I just closed lxde and started again, and the menu worked

NoX	2010-03-26 16:18

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstende (Post 583412)

@nox I have had that problem before. When I had it I just closed lxde and started again, and the menu worked

Yes! Now all works fine :-D

rebhana

2010-03-26 16:32

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoX (Post 583159)

With my German localization, I have a menu in LXDE which looks good, but does not show everything that is installed - in Debian update-menus should take care of that. Strangely enough, at some point the menu began showing less than previously, and I'm not sure when that was, since I'm not using LXDE so much, but rather debbie. Gimp no longer shows up as an entry in menus, and also my additional installations such as xmaxima. @qole, could it be that the upgrade of easy-deb-chroot overwrote something in the /home/user/.config directory that controls the LXDE menus? I don't have much experience with LXDE, and it's really awkward hunting for all that hidden files and directories controlling it... I couldn't find any documentation of LXDE of help so far, though I didn't try too hard yet.

qole	2010-03-26 16:50

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

rebhana: I have noticed that Gimp has disappeared from my menu as well, and update-menus doesn't bring it back. I don't know why it is gone... :(

taxaza: I don't understand your question #1 (where are you trying to vote?) and I don't know why your folders disappear. They don't disappear for me.

taxaza

2010-03-26 20:10

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I mean voting here and here.

About No2 sorry I didn't make myself clear. This is my N900 (MyDocs) folder:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4...0032620450.png

And this is what I see when I am trying to find through OpenOffice the "Documents" (normally located inside MyDocs) folder:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4...0032620495.png

As you can see I can't find the "Documents" folder and open the documents I saved there. The only way I can bypass this is by saving documents into "cities" folder which is visible in both cases.

bimbim

2010-03-26 20:29

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

taxaza, just press ctrl+h in order to see the hidden folders.

qole	2010-03-26 21:40

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

taxaza:
Thanks for offering to vote for the packages, but they are now in Extras and so you don't need to vote for them anymore.

If you want to give Easy Debian a high score for the N900 applications (and keep it in the "popular" category), you can go to the download page and rate it five stars. That's the only voting you can do at the moment...

bimbim is right about how to access those folders. Some of those folders are actually "hidden" folders, with names like ".documents" and ".images", but the Maemo file manager changes them to "Documents" and "Images". The "Camera" folder is actually called "DCIM" and is always visible in both file managers.

BN900

2010-03-27 00:48

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 504607)

andyph666: No, I haven't figured out a safe way to get sound working in Fremantle Easy Debian :(

@Qole:

I just installed Amarok to try playing my mp3s. It actually plays the TEST audio file that comes with Amarok after you try to play it a couple of times, but it says that there aren't the proper engines to play mp3s. So sound DOES work, with that test file, whatever its format. So, what about mp3s?

Another thing: can you actually dual boot into Debian from the card instead of opening Maemo first?

And Qole, really, thank you for your awesome work! You gave The N900 an extra OS and thousands of apps with your work!

taxaza

2010-03-27 08:13

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Thanks for the help! Yes, the files were hidden, I knew it but never thought this was the problem. I am still a Linux newb.
Qole I did a small donation as a token of my gratitude about this great software and I also voted for Easy Debian. Keep up the good work!!!

qole	2010-03-27 16:52

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

taxaza: that was not a "small" donation. It was huge.

Thank you very much.

taxaza

2010-03-28 09:07

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

You are welcome! Keep up the good work!

BN900

2010-03-28 17:27

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Uhm, any news on my question about playing mp3s in Easy Debian? :)

qole	2010-03-28 20:42

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

BN900: The v3b image file should be able to play mp3 files using the "Music Player" in the LXDE menu. It uses a great deal of processing power to do so, however.

You may need to install MP3 plugins for other apps. Use Synaptic or packages.debian.org to search for the appropriate plugins.

(Honestly, Easy Debian isn't a great media playing option. There's lots of good media players available for Maemo)

rebhana

2010-03-28 21:24

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 585864)

BN900: The v3b image file should be able to play mp3 files using the "Music Player" in the LXDE menu. It uses a great deal of processing power to do so, however.

I didn't have any need for sound in Easy Debian so far - Maemo satisfies all my needs there - but just out of curiosity: should the Music Player in LXDE with the one title "Lament ..." work out of the box? It doesn't for me. Also youtube videos don't play sound in iceweasel during the short intervals the videos are played at all. I'm just wondering whether I broke something by installing a lot of additional (and actually useful) stuff.

BN900

2010-03-28 21:27

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 585864)

Thanks Qole :) Easy Debian rocks never the less. Absolutely the best app on a mobile phone of any kind.

@Rebhana, the sample did work once after pressing the song multiple times. It never worked again. So it does work, out of the box, somewhat.

qole	2010-03-29 20:47

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 585903)

...just out of curiosity: should the Music Player in LXDE with the one title "Lament ..." work out of the box? It doesn't for me.

It does for me, but it really uses the CPU. It uses so much CPU that any extra activity causes the sound to stutter. So I wouldn't bother using it for much.

There may be a setting you need to fix. Try firing up the xmms2 backend and explicitly setting the output to pulseaudio:

Code:

debbie 

xmms2d -o pulse

Leave that running. Open a second terminal.

Code:

debbie lxmusic

Does it play music now?

I found that you only have to set the output plugin for the xmms2d backend once, after that it sets your chosen plugin as the default.

Quote:

Also youtube videos don't play sound in iceweasel during the short intervals the videos are played at all. I'm just wondering whether I broke something by installing a lot of additional (and actually useful) stuff.

The Flash plugin for Easy Debian is the one from Maemo 4 (the N8x0 tablets). So it uses the old sound architecture, and I don't know how to get the sound to work for it on the N900.

I haven't been able to get the new N900 flash plugin to work inside Easy Debian at all, so video without sound is better than nothing.

We need a real hacker to get Flash working fully, I think.

rebhana

2010-03-30 08:30

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 587286)

Does it play music now?

I found that you only have to set the output plugin for the xmms2d backend once, after that it sets your chosen plugin as the default.

Yes, it works! :cool:
Curiosity satisfied...

mscion

2010-03-30 16:26

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 581805)

I've installed open office on the N900 and have had some success with it, especially when taking advantage of the excellent advice in this forum, but I have now hit a wall trying to get the equation editor to work. My guess is that that the equation editor is not properly
installed or I need to somehow turn this option on.

Appreciate the help!

To get a version of openoffice to work with equation editor
I had to use aptitude instead of apt-get to install openoffice.
as aptitude seemed to handle an incompatibility with the openoffice.org-core better. The openoffice equation editor now works fine in the Debian LXDE. However doing this update disabled the shortcut to openoffice so I had to change a line in ooo.desktop in the hildon directory by setting Exec = debbie ooffice. Anyways, I'm not very experienced at doing this type of thing and more or less stumbled on a solution. The danger is in getting the equation editor to work in this fashion I may cause other problems.

Overall this blog has been quite helpful as I've learned
quite a bit. Thanks for your efforts.

qole	2010-03-30 16:59

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

mscion:

You probably downgraded your openoffice.org version from 3.1 in the Easy Debian image to the Lenny version, 2.4. There's not much we can do about that at the moment, since Debian pulled all the newer versions from their repositories. Your only other option for 3.1+ openoffice.org is to use an Ubuntu image instead.

Hm, it looks like you may only have to go down to openoffice.org 3.0 if you go through Debian Backports, but it is trickier. Maybe that's how you got it to work through Aptitude; maybe Aptitude knows how to handle Backports better.

What's the version of openoffice.org that you now have?

mscion

2010-03-30 17:16

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

qole: Unfortunately it is 2.4. If you want to give me some pointers
on Debian Backports I can give it a try. I will also consider the Ubuntu image.
Of course there is always LaTEX as a fallback!

qole	2010-03-30 19:49

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

mscion: If I had known that Debian was going to pull openoffice.org from their repositories, I would have grabbed all of the packages and made my own little repo for this kind of thing.

Basically, to enable Backports, you have to follow the instructions in the link I gave above.

1. Enable the www.backports.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list (this may already be the case in the v3b image)
2. Use either apt-get or aptitude to install:

Code:

apt-get -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org-math

Code:

aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org-math

That should upgrade openoffice.org and the equation editor to 3.0

mscion

2010-03-31 14:57

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

qole:

Well, I tried but it seams that lenny-backports downgrades to 2.4.
I even started from scratch and reinstalled easy debian. At that point
I have openoffice 3.0. (with equation editor disabled)
Next step I try

apt-get -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org-math

Still doesn't work. Has the same previous problem with the openoffice.org-core incompatibility so it was a no go.

I then try the aptitude version and it installs but with the down grade to 2.4.

When you tried this did you actually get the equation editor to work with version 3.0? That is, in openoffice writer, go to

insert->object->formula

Then a box will appear on the bottom of the screen to type in
formulas.

So if 2.4 is the best I can do for now on Debian, I will give
Ubuntu a try later today.

qole	2010-03-31 16:39

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 589936)

When you tried this did you actually get the equation editor to work with version 3.0?

See, there's the heart of the problem. I haven't tried it. I don't need the equation editor, or I would have installed it as part of the default Easy Debian.

The best I can do is give you general advice, since I have no experience here...

I hope the Debian folks can figure out the problems and bring OpenOffice 3.x back soon.

EDIT: have you tried explicitly upgrading openoffice.org-core using the -t lenny-backports method?

mail_e36

2010-03-31 18:14

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I am wondering where I can find the log files of Easy Debian.

I have looked in...

/var/log/message

...but in the above location I only see log entries up to January 19th, which is long before I installed Easy Debian. I realize the space limitations of this environment, but is there any log file I can tail to see events on the Easy Debian image?

Thank you in advance.

qole	2010-03-31 18:51

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

mail_e36:

The log files for apps installed into the Easy Debian image will be inside the image itself. The Maemo /var/log directory is not mounted over the Debian one. So in Maemo, you will have to look in /.debian/var/log, and from within the chroot, it should be in /var/log.

I can see recent logs in that directory in my image.

rebhana

2010-03-31 19:00

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 590247)

I can see recent logs in that directory in my image.

In my image (v3b) it ends with

Code:

Jan 19 10:19:40 Puppy kernel: [ 6564.385620] *****

Jan 19 10:19:46 Puppy kernel: [ 6570.117187] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: remove, state 4

Jan 19 10:19:46 Puppy kernel: [ 6570.117309] usb usb1: USB disconnect, address 1

Jan 19 10:19:46 Puppy kernel: [ 6570.118164] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: USB bus 1 deregistered

Jan 19 10:19:48 Puppy kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.

I guess that syslogd was deinstalled at that time. Which is fine with me as I wouldn't like to have /var/log filling up continuously. There is of course also "dmesg" for looking at kernel messages.

mscion

2010-04-01 14:47

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

qole:

I tried upgrading the openoffice.org-core using lennybackports but I get a message saying it is already at the latest version...
I guess, for now, it is probably best to wait for the Debian folks
to fix things and stick with using the 2.4 version. As it turns out, my work pc has 2.3 because I am required to use CENTOS!

As an exercise, I'd like to try to get ubuntu version working,
(do you know if the equation editor will work on that?)
What is the best way to install the image file you gave the link to?

Thanks again for your help.

qole	2010-04-01 17:22

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

To install the Ubuntu image:

Open a terminal.

Code:

sudo closechroot

cd MyDocs

wget http://qole.org/files/ubuntu-m5-v1.img.ext2.lzma

Wait a while until it finishes that.

Code:

lzma -d ubuntu-m5-v1.img.ext2.lzma

Wait a while until it finishes that.

(Install leafpad in Maemo if you haven't already)

Code:

cd ..

leafpad .chroot

change the IMGFILE line to read:

Code:

IMGFILE=/home/user/MyDocs/ubuntu-m5-v1.img.ext2

(you might need to remove a # from one of the existing example lines and use that line.)

debernardis

2010-04-02 06:28

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 591636)

To install the Ubuntu image:

Thanks Qole, I've installed it and it's good. Just be aware that:
lxterminal doesn't work
installing abiword and gnumeric leaves evince and yelp in a broken state, where you can't install or remove them either.

qole	2010-04-02 06:40

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Yes, and if you leave LXDE running and come back to your phone after a while, the screensaver is running! Ha!

Definitely needs some work. Not going to happen for a while, I'm afraid. My life is a bit upside-down at the moment.

rebhana

2010-04-02 15:40

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 583470)

rebhana: I have noticed that Gimp has disappeared from my menu as well, and update-menus doesn't bring it back. I don't know why it is gone... :(

I've managed to bring back all the menu entries in LXDE that have disappeared after the last update by manually running

Code:

[root@deb-m5v3b: /]xdg-desktop-menu install --novendor /usr/share/applications/gimp.desktop

Just a single such install brought back all the missing items. :D Actually I did it with xmaxima.desktop, but I guess the above should work for everybody. If it does, I'd propose to include this in the wiki.

Only evince is (still) missing. There is a /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop file, but something in it must be preventing inclusion in the LXDE menu. Haven't yet figured out what, but will let you know as soon as I have.

UPDATE: Evince shows up as "Document Viewer" in "Graphics" as soon as one sets

Code:

NoDisplay=false

in /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop and re-runs xdg-desktop-menu as above.

imperiallight

2010-04-04 13:25

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Would it be possible to do something like this? With the overclocked 930/1000mhz kernel.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631389

From my limited understanding they don't have to recompile apps.

qole	2010-04-04 16:39

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

imperiallight: yes, it is possible (even easier on Maemo devices than Android ones), and it has been done several times. I'm just not very interested in it. I want to get desktop apps into the hands of Maemo device owners, and I believe that is best done via a chroot.

Ronaldo

2010-04-04 17:09

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Hi qole, i have tried EDC before and found it installed too many apps on the n900 for my liking, is there way to have the just EDC app, i will be downloading via PC as last time look ages to unpack.

Thanks

rebhana

2010-04-04 20:33

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 594894)

With Easy Debian you don't have to recompile apps, you just apt-get install them from debian.org for the armel architecture.

The chroot way of doing it, or rather qole's way of using chroot, is actually much better than really booting a Debian OS, because Maemo is still running and its infrastructure made available to Easy Debian! So it's an addition, not a substitution!

rebhana

2010-04-04 20:43

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 595125)

i have tried EDC before and found it installed too many apps on the n900 for my liking, is there way to have the just EDC app, i will be downloading via PC as last time look ages to unpack.

With synaptic or apt-get you can easily de-install Debian packages, but this won't reduce the size of the image file. It will be only useful for making room for other packages you are more interested in. Other than that - what's the problem with "too many apps"? You can of course also simply delete the few icons for Debian apps in the hildon menu.