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bockersjv 2013-12-03 13:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
The Lock screen experience

This shows a background based on you ambience.
You can use your own background by choosing a picture and turning it into an ambience.
Double taping brings the screen to life, as does the side power key.
There is no low power display option.
The home screen shows icons for events(notifications).
You must swipe up from outside the screen to get to the events screen for more information.
The clock is displayed along with Internet status and Bluetooth showing as icons to the left of the clock.
To get more information, such as battery and 3G connectivity you have to pull the screen up.
This IS a major annoyance, to check your battery state you need to double tap and then pull the screen up a bit, but not too much or you get to the multi task screen! IMHO the battery and Phone connectivity should be to the right of the clock so they can be seen at a glance.
Top of the lock screen shows the Phone Network Name.
Swipe from the outside down and the phone goes into sleep.
Swipe down from within the screen and the pulley menu shows:-
Date (not selectable)
Silence/enable sounds
Phone
Camera
Settings
Then a blank line(not selectable)
Leave the front screen and it turns off in 5 secs
Scroll down to one of the other screens and the display times out according to the setting display sleep timeout(why the difference?)
Swipe from outside the screen to the centre and you get to choose your ambience. However only Ambiences that have a favourite star filled will show.
If you only have one ambience favourite it will not show and the screen swipe will not work.

ggabriel 2013-12-03 13:49
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392132)
Swipe from outside the screen to the centre and you get to choose your ambience. However only Ambiences that have a favourite star filled will show.
If you only have one ambience favourite it will not show and the screen swipe will not work.
So this is how you change "profiles", which was kind of hard coded in the N9. I wonder if you can customise each ambiance (e.g., ringtone, volume).
Not sure why only favourites, perhaps it's catered for people who have tens of ambiances, or maybe the ambiances get saved with every other half?

Thanks for these reviews by the way!

w00t 2013-12-03 13:53
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1392133)
So this is how you change "profiles", which was kind of hard coded in the N9. I wonder if you can customise each ambiance (e.g., ringtone, volume).
Customisation is possible. Right now, it's just the ringtone volume.

att 2013-12-03 14:13
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392105)
Clicking on the avatar you can
Select another from gallery (phone memory only, not SD card)
Remove avatar
If you have multiple avatars from different sources (like local, GTalk, ...) you can set here also which of those to use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392105)
Contacts option in the settings, app menu
Change to show last name first
Change to sort by last name
Import contacts from sim car
Import Contacts from File
Import from File doesn't show you the file name so if you have multiple .vcf files on phone's storage or on microSD card, you cannot tell which file is which. You only have long list of identical "From file" lines, one for each file.

att 2013-12-03 14:21
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1392133)
Not sure why only favourites, perhaps it's catered for people who have tens of ambiances, or maybe the ambiances get saved with every other half?
There is already 9 ambiances out-of-box and if you have the special limited edition poppy red other half then you have one more, so total of ten.

jpel 2013-12-03 14:25
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1392135)
Customisation is possible. Right now, it's just the ringtone volume.
This seems to apply for pre-installed Ambiances (as well as those installed by TOH's).

However if you create a new Ambiance from a picture, you can customize for that in addition to volume also all the sounds for different events.

ggabriel 2013-12-03 14:27
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1392144)
There is already 9 ambiances out-of-box and if you have the special limited edition poppy red other half then you have one more, so total of ten.
My thoughts exactly - I'd need 2: too loud and keep-your-mouth-shut silent. My better half would need about 50, some of which would be in "dev", others in "staging" and the favourite ones will be the ones in production that she'll use all the time. I like the fact that the feature caters for a wide range of people :-)

ad29 2013-12-03 14:34
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392125)
They show but don't animate :(
Awh man, i love gifs, i was so upset when i found out that my N9 couldn't animate them, was hoping Sailfish would change this. Sigh... :(

cy8aer 2013-12-03 14:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1392135)
Customisation is possible. Right now, it's just the ringtone volume.
Do you plan to have parameters like Bluetooth, WiFi, GSM, triggering other things (like VPN) connected to the ambience? I know, with every new device I start again with these meta-profile discussions...

Mikkosssss 2013-12-03 14:52
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ad29 (Post 1392154)
Awh man, i love gifs, i was so upset when i found out that my N9 couldn't animate them, was hoping Sailfish would change this. Sigh... :(
You can open them in Opera or Firefox browser in N9.
Just type / to addressbar.
I think theres way to change Opera to default when opening gifts.

bockersjv 2013-12-03 15:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
One really cool feature is the shortcuts on some of the minimsed apps.
This deso not work for all but the media and email are two good examples.

On the media one you can pause the media or skip to the next track by small swipes within the minimised app.

Best explained on the Jolla help page:-
http://jolla.com/guide/ under home screen and covers
Works whne the minimised apps (covers) are big or small :cool:
It's all in the swipe!

shmerl 2013-12-03 15:42
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Is there any way to customize gestures logic? I.e. assign certain predetermined (or in some way custom defined) actions to a set of various gestures? If not, will Jolla consider such idea?

mscion 2013-12-03 15:55
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpel (Post 1392122)
Some Android Benchmark results:

Antutu:

Total: 13034
Multitask: 1704
Dalvik: 1035
CPU integer: 1002
CPU float-point: 684
RAM operation: 450
RAM speed: 1110
2D graphics: [540x888] 608
3D graphics: [540x888] 4737
Storage I/O: 1099
Database I/O: 605

Device model: alien_jolla_bionic
OS: 4.1.2

Quadrant:

Total: 3718
CPU: 5090
Mem: 6802
I/O: 4607
2D: 298
3D: 1795
Wait! This is for Bionic... How do you port to galaxy note 2 or 3! Gimmie! Gimmie! Gimmie!

GizmoSmith 2013-12-03 16:31
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Did anybody post a close-up photo of the other half pins ?

mariusmssj 2013-12-03 16:35
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GizmoSmith (Post 1392183)
Did anybody post a close-up photo of the other half pins ?
Yes >>here<<

bockersjv 2013-12-03 16:36
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1392167)
Is there any way to customize gestures logic? I.e. assign certain predetermined (or in some way custom defined) actions to a set of various gestures? If not, will Jolla consider such idea?
Not in the current implementation. Can't speak for what Jolla will do.

One thing is that the gestures do not rotate, I like this and hope it stays that way. For example if you have the Camera app open in Landscape you close it by swipeing from top to bottom of the phone. which in landscape is a horizontal swipe.

bockersjv 2013-12-03 16:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GizmoSmith (Post 1392183)
Did anybody post a close-up photo of the other half pins ?
And another which shows the NFC bit on the other half
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psee91d356.jpg

GizmoSmith 2013-12-03 16:52
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1392185)
Did notice those pins.. never thought it would be spread around..
Here is a bigger pic..
http://seravo.fi/wp-content/uploads/...8-08.59.38.jpg

shmerl 2013-12-03 17:09
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392186)
Not in the current implementation. Can't speak for what Jolla will do.

One thing is that the gestures do not rotate, I like this and hope it stays that way. For example if you have the Camera app open in Landscape you close it by swipeing from top to bottom of the phone. which in landscape is a horizontal swipe.
Well, actually gestures should rotate together with the screen orientation. Gestures should be relative to the user and virtual part of the screen (top, bottom, left, right etc.), not to the physical part of the screen (narrow, wide etc.). I'd view any other implementation to be unnatural and non intuitive. I.e. you close application swiping vertically, from the top to the bottom. That's natural. And not "from one narrow edge to the other narrow edge" - that's not natural.

Akkumaru 2013-12-03 17:21
Does the other half stack up?

qwazix 2013-12-03 17:25
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
@shmerl
Yep it is, but on the N9 it wasn't synched with the app orientation and it was confusing.

So, better definition: swipe from the top of the application

(not vertically, i.e. perpendicularly to the sea level)

Another way to say it is lock the swipe orientation also if the app is locked

jalyst 2013-12-03 17:28
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1391884)
OK, since all apps (native and android) in harbour are at the same place is there any filter for that. Or maybe, If one doesn't install ACL, is there a chance that he doesn't even see android apps.
That place seems to be geared only for submitting, is there section for browsing what's actually there yet? (n.b. I'm using desktop browser -Firefox- not a jolla phone)

herpderp 2013-12-03 17:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1392003)
The fact that some idiots decided to implement a new layer on top of this one that for some weird reason forces developers to manually implement checkpointing (aka saving and restoring state) into each and every small application is something I cannot understand.
Well, it seems to have worked out quite well for them. Maybe it would be better for you too if you'd try to wrap your head around it, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it.

shmerl 2013-12-03 17:46
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1392200)
@shmerl
Yep it is, but on the N9 it wasn't synched with the app orientation and it was confusing.

So, better definition: swipe from the top of the application

(not vertically, i.e. perpendicularly to the sea level)

Another way to say it is lock the swipe orientation also if the app is locked
Yes, this makes a bit more sense (gestures relative to the orientation of the application). It's somewhat consistent. However it still seems a bit weird that gestures would change relative to the user, depending on the applications being locked or rotatable. In Harmattan (hacked one, where rotation of the screen was enabled), it was consistent relative to the user's view (top, bottom, left, right etc.). It seems to be more stable relative perspective, so I'm not really sure what's more confusing this, or the above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1392209)
Well, it seems to have worked out quite well for them. Maybe it would be better for you too if you'd try to wrap your head around it, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it.
Worked quite well? Android never worked quite well when it comes to efficiency and multitasking. It's IMHO broken by design.

att 2013-12-03 17:49
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1392185)
On the bottom picture next to screw 13 is probably metal leaf switch at the hole which will sense if the other half is installed and in place. If anyone have problems that the other half is not recognized it might be that the switch is not taking contact from the other half.

bockersjv 2013-12-03 18:08
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1391884)
OK, since all apps (native and android) in harbour are at the same place is there any filter for that. Or maybe, If one doesn't install ACL, is there a chance that he doesn't even see android apps.
Jolla harbour only hold sailfish apps. You want Android apps you go to an Android store. The only Android related item in the Harbour store is the Android compatibility app.

Penguin 2013-12-03 18:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1391487)
I have completed my two day long battery testing with Location ON and OFF.

Conditions:
- Screen brightness: manual, minimum brightness
- Screen goes off in 15 seconds
- Developer Mode Enabled
  • Remote connection (SSH) enabled
- Installed apps:
  • Tutorial
  • Calculator
  • Calendar
  • Clock
  • Notes
  • Mail
  • Media
  • Maps
  • Documents
  • IP Address
  • Speedtest.net (Android)
  • The Weather Channel (Android)
  • Yandex.store (Android)
  • Amazon Appstore (Android)
  • Mobogenie (Android)
  • Firefox (Android)
  • Dropbox (Android)
  • Whatsapp (Android)
  • Viber (Android)
  • Skype (Android)
  • Angry Birds Star Wars II (Android)
  • Daylight World Map (Android)
  • Terminal
  • Sovjet Military Maps Free
- No apps running on background
- No apps running on foreground
- Messaging settings:
  • GMail configured, checking mail every 30 minutes
  • 1 IMAP mailbox configured, checking mail every 30 minutes
  • 1 Twitter account configured
- Network
  • Cellular: 3G, no data connection in use
  • WiFi: connected to 802.11n network, 52-65 Mbps rate
- Location ON

Saturday November 30, 2013:
[time elapsed] [time of day] [battery level] [comments]
-0:01 13:24 battery 100 %, settings -> location -> ON, USB cable still plugged, GPS icon blinking
0:00 13:25 battery 100 %, test will start, unplugging USB cable
0:05 13:30 battery 100 %
0:18 13:43 battery 98 %
1:16 14:41 battery 91 %, GPS icon steady and not blinking anymore
3:29 16:54 battery 74 %
3:44 17:09 battery 72 %
4:34 17:59 battery 66 %
5:11 18:36 battery 61 %
6:26 19:51 battery 51 %
7:06 20:31 battery 46 %
7:48 21:13 battery 41 %
8:29 21:54 battery 36 %
8:38 22:03 battery 35 %
9:05 22:30 battery 31 %
9:19 22:44 battery 29 %, battery test ends

13:07 Projected battery charge level 0 %

Conditions changed
- Location OFF

-0:02 12:46 battery 100 %, Location -> OFF, USB cable still plugged, GPS icon not visible
0:00 12:48 battery 100 %, test will start, unplugging USB cable
0:41 13:29 battery 97 %
1:02 13:50 battery 96 %
1:46 14:34 battery 92 %
2:29 15:17 battery 89 %
2:44 15:32 battery 89 %
3:02 15:50 battery 87 %, poor response to double tapping. need to tap multiple times before response.
3:30 16:18 battery 85 %, clock does not stay in correct time
3:34 16:22 battery 84 %
4:13 17:01 battery 81 %
4:33 17:21 battery 80 %
5:04 17:52 battery 78 %
5:35 18:23 battery 75 %
5:53 18:41 battery 74 %
6:26 19:14 battery 71 %
7:39 20:27 battery 66 %
7:44 20:32 battery 66 %
8:44 21:32 battery 61 %
8:54 21:42 battery 60 %
9:55 22:43 battery 55 %
10:35 23:23 battery 52 %
10:50 23:38 battery 50 %

21:40 Projected battery charge level 0 %

Definitely something wrong with power management and with Location ON the GPS/GLONASS chip seems to be all the time on. With current battery performance I can't think of using this as my primary phone.
Testing continues with conditions changed:
- Developer mode off
- WiFi off

0:00 18:55 battery 100 %, test has started, USB cable unplugged
0:36 19:31 battery 100 %
0:46 19:41 battery 99 %
1:17 20:12 battery 98 %
2:35 21:30 battery 95 %
4:26 23:21 battery 91 %
9:57 04:52 battery 80 %
15:20 10:15 battery 74 %
15:38 10:33 battery 72 %,
25:11 20:06 battery 53 %

53:34 Projected battery charge level 0 %

I don't know if it was disabling of developer mode or WiFi that improved battery consumption so much, but need to test. Next to enable WiFi back ON and continue testing.

jalyst 2013-12-03 18:17
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392222)
Jolla harbour only hold sailfish apps. You want Android apps you go to an Android store. The only Android related item in the Harbour store is the Android compatibility app.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=885
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=889

marbleuser 2013-12-03 18:19
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1391977)
Nobody yet?
Regarding offline android gps apps like sygic:

OK.. I assume it can't be done, otherwise people would have been (rightly) boasting about it by now. So does this mean there will never be any turn by turn voice navigation on jolla? nokia never gave us turn by turn on n900 maps, so i'm wondering is this just history repeating itself?

bockersjv 2013-12-03 18:21
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Wow that's a true bummer. Why would they do that, sailfish apps will get lost in a sea of mediocrity.

Morpog 2013-12-03 18:24
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1392224)
Testing continues with conditions changed:
- Developer mode off
- WiFi off

0:00 18:55 battery 100 %, test has started, USB cable unplugged
0:36 19:31 battery 100 %
0:46 19:41 battery 99 %
1:17 20:12 battery 98 %
2:35 21:30 battery 95 %
4:26 23:21 battery 91 %
9:57 04:52 battery 80 %
15:20 10:15 battery 74 %
15:38 10:33 battery 72 %,
25:11 20:06 battery 53 %

53:34 Projected battery charge level 0 %

I don't know if it was disabling of developer mode or WiFi that improved battery consumption so much, but need to test. Next to enable WiFi back ON and continue testing.
Maybe there is no WLAN power saving feature activated yet?

jalyst 2013-12-03 18:26
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392227)
Wow that's a true bummer. Why would they do that, sailfish apps will get lost in a sea of mediocrity.
Personally I think it's a smart move, people will still gravitate to the native apps (where they can) for the greatly superior experience they'll (usually) offer.*
The Android ones must be carefully curated (I hope a speedy/efficient process for that is devised), & they could even secure the odd commercial one if they can, but they should mainly focus on native ones for those sort of deals.

*I hope they eventually have a clever "feeds" system, whereby we can pull (via harbour) from multiple android/non-android sources -if we so choose

mikecomputing 2013-12-03 19:05
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
For first time I am being dissapointed at Jolla but also the fan reviewers/bloggers.

The reason is how Android support has been hyped up to much. That may hurt in the end when people realize apps may not work and crashing etc... I can understand that people want Android apps but still this should not be the "big thing".

What I want is more Sailfishos based apps not focus on Android application support! If I want Android phone I would go for some Android device. And I am suprised how much TMO folks seems to focus on Android apps on they'r Jolla phones :(

Now I also have seen several tweets and reviews videos where people tests Android apps like whatsup and spotify and so on. Funny is those apps than can be ported to SailfishOS with help of the community if we help each other with the development and testing and so on.

We have whatsap (if I remember name correct) and curespotify.

But my main dissapointment is the Android apps support on Harbour? It's plain wrong IMHO! I really don't get why? Why use QA resources to test Android apps in Harbour store when those resources should be used to fix native SailfishOS apps and bugfixes of the core OS?

I really really don't get it?

We need more native apps! And yes I know this is not only Jollas it also upto us to make that happen! But I think its contraproductive to support Android apps in the store.

So IMHO. Its time for Jolla to setup a hackevent or anything or maybe TMO or whatever. Show the world that we want native apps damnit! Show the world that we are unlike!

I think its way more important we get issues solved to support more librarys like python3 and atlleast PyOtherside and so on.

I may sound bit angry now, but not as angry as a bird, but I just want to give my opinion on this...

We should all work together to wipe out Android support 2015 because then we have every damn app needed as native sailfishapp :cool:

pycage 2013-12-03 19:14
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Good news is that there are now some more native apps in the store coming in from the harbour. Keep 'em coming! :cool:

shmerl 2013-12-03 19:20
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Yes, supporting Android applications in the Jolla store is not a smart move. Jolla should not promote closed APIs based on closed technologies. Using Alien Dalvik as fallback for filling the gaps? That can be understandable, even though it's not ideal. Promoting making new Android applications for Sailfish? That's already bad. It's not even OpenJDK.

Manatus 2013-12-03 19:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392132)
The Lock screen experience

To get more information, such as battery and 3G connectivity you have to pull the screen up.
This IS a major annoyance, to check your battery state you need to double tap and then pull the screen up a bit, but not too much or you get to the multi task screen! IMHO the battery and Phone connectivity should be to the right of the clock so they can be seen at a glance.
Agreed! It would not cause too much clutter on the lock screen and just double tapping for the clock and battery status would be preferable.

kinggo 2013-12-03 19:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 1392227)
Wow that's a true bummer. Why would they do that, sailfish apps will get lost in a sea of mediocrity.
well, now that you know that they coexist at the same place, do you see any way to filter only native? I still don't know the answer on that, I'm not sure that I actually unerstand what pycage said before. :o

jalyst 2013-12-03 19:50
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I think it's smart because they want to make sure the Android experience improves over time...
They need to actively support both* (but much more emphasis on native, + html5 longer-term), if they have a Android env. that's pure crud it'll be much worse than not having it at all.

*sadly that's the position they find themselves in, even with their tiny resources :-/

droll 2013-12-03 19:59
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
does the phone support MAP bluetooth profile? or for that matter, BT profiles does it support?

pycage 2013-12-03 20:11
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droll (Post 1392260)
does the phone support MAP bluetooth profile? or for that matter, BT profiles does it support?
At least it lists MAP among the supported profiles it detects on my paired N9. What is MAP for? How to test?


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