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Fellfrosch 2017-08-30 13:40
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1533628)
XZ1 rumours If true, looks like I'll take my money elsewhere.
Where are the groundbreaking rumors?
Ist the XZ1 coming with a proper OS? Otherwise there are so many other dumb Android phones out there where you can choose from...

nh1402 2017-08-30 14:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1533632)
Where are the groundbreaking rumors?
Ist the XZ1 coming with a proper OS? Otherwise there are so many other dumb Android phones out there where you can choose from...
I look at the spec of the device, and to see if it comes with an unlockable bootloader, so I can port Sailfish to it. I don't care about any software feature junk, just what the physical device specifications are.

lantern 2017-08-30 15:17
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
So wha't so special about this XZ1? Still the same Xperia.

Only if they would finally make Compact with 2 sims, now that's another story.

juiceme 2017-08-30 16:45
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by meloferz (Post 1533627)
Why do you want that feature? When fingerprint will be available, you will have to use your power button for unlock your device, (assuming that you will use fingerprint), so that feature will be unnecessary, at least for me as happens right now with Android
Indeed. I hope it will be possible to turn off the fingerprint unlocking feature. It is just about the most insecure lock mechanism invented.

Remember, fingerprint equals to "username", not "password"

epninety 2017-08-30 17:03
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1533652)
Remember, fingerprint equals to "username", not "password"
This is the single smartest thing I've seen written on the internet in weeks, so I thought it would bear repeating :)

virgi26 2017-08-30 17:58
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
it's actually equals to password... in terms of it's complexity and not being known to everyone
and pin code is also just a password

2 fact auth wins it all

mariusmssj 2017-08-30 19:03
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I don't really care for a finger print sensor. Ever since N9 a double tap always felt a natural way to wake up my phones. I have them face on on a desk and just double tap wakes up the screen, I hate using side power button.

But of course everyone is different!

mikecomputing 2017-08-30 19:48
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Just bought XZs probadly locked with shitty operator lock but the phone itself is in the list of open device program so let's see if SFOS will be ported in 2018.... I am willing to help make that happen...

edit: Nope asked op today and they said their phones is never locked that hopefully means the phone can be easy rooted without hassle. Let see next week :cool:

hhbbap 2017-08-30 19:50
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by herdem09 (Post 1533498)
So James Noori seems to have replied to the comments on the blog post yesterday. I am paraphrasing his comments (and adding my inferences) for those who does not want to go through all:
...
- For US and Canada payment system is the hindrance (Seems like it will be solved). For other regions he does not make any comments (So we can assume they will not be supported ever).
...
What about BREXIT and support after that? :rolleyes:

epninety 2017-08-30 19:56
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgi26 (Post 1533658)
it's actually equals to password... in terms of it's complexity and not being known to everyone
and pin code is also just a password

2 fact auth wins it all
True, if you write your password down in plaintext every time you touch anything , anywhere, and if you only want to change it 9 times in your life without needing to take your socks off.

then there's this
And of course, it's even easier than the $5 wrench, cos it doesn't matter if you pass out or die when blackhat cuts your finger off.

mosen 2017-08-30 20:04
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
/o\
I love Fingerprint unlock and can not wait to have it on sfos.
Not for security but for convenience.
FP unlock on moto z is actually faster than any unlock on sfos imho. ->

Double Tap unlock is unreliable on almost every sfos device to the extend that i call it quadruple tap.
Maybe it is my finger having awkward resistance or i am tapping to fast. Don't know.

Double Powerbutton press wears the button very fast. On Jolla C i feel it is near EOL and sometime needs a very firm press after only 16month.

Slide unlock from side is cool but i often forget it is possible and do quadruple tap instead.

If there is one feature i like androided moto z better than sfos devices (ok, camera aside) it is simply putting the finger on the sensor and see the homescreen or last used app 1/2 second later.
Can not wait to have this on my main sfos driver.

Zeta 2017-08-30 21:45
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epninety (Post 1533654)
This is the single smartest thing I've seen written on the internet in weeks, so I thought it would bear repeating :)
In that regard, this is also worth reading :
https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...arrant/480861/
It concerns mainly US, but here a clear distinction between biometrics and password is made. So also for legal matters, there is a difference.

mrsellout 2017-08-30 21:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1533666)
Just bought XZs probadly locked with shitty operator lock but the phone itself is in the list of open device program so let's see if SFOS will be ported in 2018.... I am willing to help make that happen...
If it's anything like the X, operator lock = you can't unlock the bootloader = can't install SFOS should it gets ported :(.

lantern 2017-08-31 19:01
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
So should we expect a source release tomorrow?

PS XZ1 Compact was announced. Still the same 720p screen and single-sim :(. Move along.

mikecomputing 2017-08-31 19:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1533459)
Oh, I'm sure bluetooth has it's uses. I haven't switched over to bluetooth earphones myself because I

......

But back to on-topic, I'm sure bluetooth gets fixed in a timeframe I'm happy with :) Just let me buy the OS already!

I have used BT headsets for years and it works good on FP2 with unofficial SFOS so yes BT is a MUST on Xperia X series too.

mikecomputing 2017-08-31 19:53
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1533676)
If it's anything like the X, operator lock = you can't unlock the bootloader = can't install SFOS should it gets ported :(.
Asked OP (http://halebop.se) today they said none of their phones is locked not even iphones :O. So there is hope lets see next week...

Dave999 2017-08-31 20:23
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Given the time and money Jolla spent on Xperia X I would assume this is a one time event. Even if a lot of the work can be reused I predict that Jolla will abandoning this effort soon.

one_with_linux 2017-08-31 20:59
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I think we will be able to build images on lots of Xperia devices. (after the build directions get published)
We will have a HUGE head start on anything we can build AOSP 6.0.1 on.

And honestly... I don't see much stopping us from building for F5122 (no idea if the dual sims will work)

richie 2017-08-31 23:18
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1533734)
Given the time and money Jolla spent on Xperia X I would assume this is a one time event. Even if a lot of the work can be reused I predict that Jolla will abandoning this effort soon.
Another model, F5122, is already mentioned in testing,

https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/

See James's comment on 30th August.

mosen 2017-08-31 23:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richie (Post 1533743)
See James's comment on 30th August.
Yes, but the same James officially recommends to concentrate on F5121 ;)
If you are not keen to adapt the port yourself and become a heroic porter, it is not advised to get any other device. Especially if you want official Jolla support.
Until further official notice this is. Patience is advised.

mariusmssj 2017-09-01 07:59
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1533744)
Yes, but the same James officially recommends to concentrate on F5121 ;)
If you are not keen to adapt the port yourself and become a heroic porter, it is not advised to get any other device. Especially if you want official Jolla support.
Until further official notice this is. Patience is advised.
I'm with you on this one. I bought F5121 for my gf and I would like to get F5122 for myself but I can wait until September when Jolla comes out with more news.

r0kk3rz 2017-09-01 08:54
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1533734)
Given the time and money Jolla spent on Xperia X I would assume this is a one time event. Even if a lot of the work can be reused I predict that Jolla will abandoning this effort soon.
It depends on how successful this method is in bringing new people into the sailfish os world.

This is a new strategy for Jolla, considering they cannot convince anyone to build first-party devices for the european market and so who knows? But if very few people actually buy the image, then yes I expect they will give up on the idea fairly quickly.

pexi 2017-09-01 09:29
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1533764)
It depends on how successful this method is in bringing new people into the sailfish os world.

This is a new strategy for Jolla, considering they cannot convince anyone to build first-party devices for the european market and so who knows? But if very few people actually buy the image, then yes I expect they will give up on the idea fairly quickly.
This is something that needed to be done. It is a lot harder to sell a phone OS without a showcase. Just by having an OS in the top-of-the line hardware lifts up the profile of the OS.

Feathers McGraw 2017-09-01 10:55
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1533766)
This is something that needed to be done. It is a lot harder to sell a phone OS without a showcase. Just by having an OS in the top-of-the line hardware lifts up the profile of the OS.
Also, they need developers more than they need "normal users", to close the app gap. Attracting only/mostly developer types (people who are happy to install the OS on existing hardware they bought separately) probably isn't a problem from Jolla's point of view.

mariusmssj 2017-09-01 12:56
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1533768)
Also, they need developers more than they need "normal users", to close the app gap. Attracting only/mostly developer types (people who are happy to install the OS on existing hardware they bought separately) probably isn't a problem from Jolla's point of view.
Their missing out a lot on paid apps. I know not everyone agree on this but any eco system would need free but also paid apps.

Girondinho 2017-09-01 13:09
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
For those who are looking for a Sony Xperia X, I'm selling mine (band new):
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...73#post1533773

mikecomputing 2017-09-02 10:52
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I did not see below test before I bought my XZs.

Getting my device next week. But it seems I have choosed correct between XZ and XZs. Let's hope some SFOS fans buys this device so we can see SFOS on it 2018 :D

Multitasking is faster since more memory.

https://youtu.be/4mzSIositu4?t=554

Now it really would be epic to see sailfishos (and dalvik) on that device....

one_with_linux 2017-09-02 12:39
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Does anyone know if there is progress on releasing build directions to compile the sailfish image?
I find myself with a long weekend and I'd like to spend it sailfishly. ;)

Heik 2017-09-03 08:45
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by explit (Post 1532677)
That doesn't matters, i flashed this CDA 1301-2283 Commercial and Journalist. Its Android 6.0

Afterwards you can extract TA-Partition (DRM-Keys) and upgrade to your CDA (Android 7.1.1) again.

The whole process of Downgrade, TA-Extraction and Bootloader Unlock is very well described here. But its unfortunately in German.

http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto...ys-bootloader/

Maybe this will help non-experts in downgrading to Android 6.

I struggled a lot with the downgrade. That is because I am not so handy especially with Androids nor computers in general. However, if I have good instructions I can manage even Linux :-)

So, always as I flashed 6.0 phone went to bootloop.
However, I could successfully flash Android 7 versions.

Took some time to realize that stored userdata has to be wiped in flashing process, as I had initialized the phone with personal data.

My process in Windows 10:

(previously had installed Xperia Companion and XperiFirm)
Installed flashtool 0.9.23.1. It did not work but after updating to 0.9.23.2 (=replacing x10flasher.jar with a newer version) it worked.

Used F5121_34.0.A.2.301_R8A_Nordic Generic_1302-3140.tft from http://www.gsm-file.com/ .
(Had tried direct downloads from XperiFirm in flashtool, but flashing struggled with that userdata problem, those should have worked too)

In flashtool Firmware Selector remember to select USERDATA under Wipe.
I did not change other defaults and flashing was successful.

deprecated 2017-09-03 15:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreasonable Behaviour (Post 1533237)
Blog Post is done:

Introducing Sailfish X and all the details you want to know


https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/

From the blog: "Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed"

Does that mean US will definitely get support, or is that a "maybe, it's on the table"? I ask because I'm probably buying an X today if I can get SFOS on it in the US.

Thanks for any insight you might be able to provide.

one_with_linux 2017-09-03 16:11
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1533870)
From the blog: "Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed"

Does that mean US will definitely get support, or is that a "maybe, it's on the table"? I ask because I'm probably buying an X today if I can get SFOS on it in the US.

Thanks for any insight you might be able to provide.
They say it's just a payment processing issue and hopefully won't be a problem much longer.

richie 2017-09-04 20:20
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1533744)
Yes, but the same James officially recommends to concentrate on F5121 ;)
If you are not keen to adapt the port yourself and become a heroic porter, it is not advised to get any other device. Especially if you want official Jolla support.
Until further official notice this is. Patience is advised.
I agree. My post was meant to reassure the previous poster that it doesn't appear the port to the X is a one time event, given Jolla are looking at other Sony's phones.

Rich

Amboss 2017-09-04 20:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1533459)
By the way, found the news of the bluetooth study I ḿentioned earlier here: https://www.wired.com/2003/06/hands-...phones-unsafe/
I feel I have to object to this. This article is just an abbreviation of some study with no mention of the whole test setup. While I think talking on the phone is distracting somehow, I personally feel more in track when talking on the phone with my hands ready to use on gearstick, turning light and wiper switches. Dialing a number is voice controlled by the cars entertainment system, for picking up and dialing I don't even need to remove my hands from the steering wheel as there are buttons there.

Besides: they haven't compared it to talking to someone in the car. The outcome of that comparison would be close to the same, especially if you have kids in the car constantly babbling and screaming. Even with a wife next to you, who is probably responding in a decent manner an listening while you talk, the distraction is only dampened by the fact, that she is also looking on the street ahead ;)

Another sidenote: I especially find people funny that are talking holding the phone a bit away from the head and using speakers instead of the earpiece (in German "hands-free" translates more like non-attached)

jakibaki 2017-09-05 11:54
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They're starting to push xperia-x stuff to https://github.com/mer-hybris (for example https://github.com/mer-hybris/device-sony-loire)

mariusmssj 2017-09-05 13:08
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533947)
They're starting to push xperia-x stuff to https://github.com/mer-hybris (for example https://github.com/mer-hybris/device-sony-loire)
That's great to see, I wonder how long before we get first community made test images :D

jakibaki 2017-09-05 16:49
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
This is the page where the instruction will be. At the moment there is only this message:

Quote:
Here you will find instructions how to build Sailfish OS image and flash it to Sony Xperia X (F5121) device. They are currently being prepared. Please check back for updates or register your interest by writing to us and we'll alert you when this page is ready.

one_with_linux 2017-09-05 17:10
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533958)
This is the page where the instruction will be. At the moment there is only this message:
The link " by writing to us" looks more like an email instead of a URL:
http://www.simonas_dot_leleiva_at_jolla_dot_com.com

So perhaps email: simonas.leleiva@jolla.com to show interest...

ajalkane 2017-09-05 17:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by one_with_linux (Post 1533959)
So perhaps email: simonas.leleiva@jolla.com to show interest...
Better yet, do not spam e-mails towards people working hard to bring this port to Sony Xperia X. It will not make the images appear faster.

mikecomputing 2017-09-05 18:04
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by one_with_linux (Post 1533959)
The link " by writing to us" looks more like an email instead of a URL:
http://www.simonas_dot_leleiva_at_jolla_dot_com.com

So perhaps email: simonas.leleiva@jolla.com to show interest...
Seriously: NO
As a SW engineer I hate getting interrupted by shitty mail all the time!
I doubt anyone want get spammed by mail!

one_with_linux 2017-09-05 18:13
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1533963)
Seriously: NO
As a SW engineer I hate getting interrupted by shitty mail all the time!
I doubt anyone want get spammed by mail!
Jolla posted:
Quote:
Here you will find instructions how to build Sailfish OS image and flash it to Sony Xperia X (F5121) device. They are currently being prepared. Please check back for updates or register your interest by writing to us and we'll alert you when this page is ready.
The Link in the text "writing to us" is incorrectly formatted. It should be a link to the email I posted above. (At least that's what the HTML code looks like to me)

I'm not saying spam the guy. I'm saying email the guy to "register your interest" if you want to build Sailfish images.


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