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jalyst 2012-12-10 04:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1302745)
Top score in HW design though.
That was one of it's least impressive areas, but kind of predictable that you'd think/say that...
Most of the hw (except for some notable areas) was quite anemic, it was to be improved substantially in 2 devices due H1 2012, but they never saw daylight ofc.
Nokia's industrial design/aesthetic & BQ is currently not a stand-out at all, there's plenty doing as well (or better) in that area now.

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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1302792)
That's like saying Coca Cola re-defined the very essence of what a ship is. Safety, payload, the ability to stay afloat in the first place - unimportant. Taste, refreshment, American image - all important.
LOL that's Gold... :D

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1302963)
I prefer that there be a decentralization of ecosystems and find it scary that carriers will own everything from top to bottom.
Ah the irony..... :rolleyes:

specc 2012-12-10 08:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1302792)
That's like saying Coca Cola re-defined the very essence of what a ship is. Safety, payload, the ability to stay afloat in the first place - unimportant. Taste, refreshment, American image - all important.
Close, but not exactly ;) the "only" similarity from a higher level design point of view of old school S60 and the iPhone is the ability to make a call. So, the iShip stays afloat. You can say that the S60 ship can handle all waters, any storm etc etc, but the point is that most people don't give a ****. They only want something that floats, but with a bar, a dance floor, they want to have a party. The rest is history.

benny1967 2012-12-10 10:39
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1303026)
You can say that the S60 ship can handle all waters, any storm etc etc, but the point is that most people don't give a ****. They only want something that floats, but with a bar, a dance floor, they want to have a party. The rest is history.
Well, still, you cannot say that they "re-defined the very essence of what a smartphone was" if they didn't make smartphones in the first place. You're right that most people don't give a tralala, but that only means that most people don't want a smartphone,. They just want a fancy UI and Angry Birds. So what Apple and others re-defined was the price and the UI of a feature phone. They didn't even enter the smartphone market.

ggabriel 2012-12-10 11:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1303026)
the "only" similarity from a higher level design point of view of old school S60 and the iPhone is the ability to make a call. So, the iShip stays afloat. You can say that the S60 ship can handle all waters, any storm etc etc, but the point is that most people don't give a ****. They only want something that floats, but with a bar, a dance floor, they want to have a party. The rest is history.
+1 people want a mini tablet with a 3G modem that can sometimes make/receive calls and texts (depending where you live).

Today I saw a 60 (+/- 5) yr old couple on the train:

(he produces a SGS1, probably somebody gave it to him)
He: yeah, I've got this now.
(she grabs it, holds it, weighs it, swipes through the desktops, all in 10 seconds)
She: it's alright
He: I still have to learn how to use it
(he swipes a bit more, puts it back in his pocket)
(she grabs her iPhone 4, swipes a little bit through the desktops)
She: This one is definitely quicker.
He: oh, is it?

I just can't stop loving how people in general percieve technology.

Lumiaman 2012-12-10 12:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
so true......I have to say that iOS is addictive, just took the SIM out of LUMIA 920 and put it back into iphone4s, iphone still better when it comes to typing on the screen, so fewer errors, and just smoother overall. Both are miles ahead of N900 or N9....

Akkumaru 2012-12-10 12:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I wonder what will it take for a company to make a phone with a full featured desktop and a hardware keyboard. Miss the old days.

I'm just starting to have doubts on Jolla for some reason. To me, Jolla will be a whole lot like the N9, in term of the openness and they might also avoid hardware keyboards. Maybe I'm just impatient.

specc 2012-12-10 13:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1303051)
Well, still, you cannot say that they "re-defined the very essence of what a smartphone was" if they didn't make smartphones in the first place. You're right that most people don't give a tralala, but that only means that most people don't want a smartphone,. They just want a fancy UI and Angry Birds. So what Apple and others re-defined was the price and the UI of a feature phone. They didn't even enter the smartphone market.
I can and I do :) the point is that super functional ship that could travel any water in any weather simply isn't defined as a smartphone by the majority of smartphone users (no matter what the correct definition might be). A smartphone has to have a bar and a dance floor, that is the definition today.

The fact that I have used smartphones long before the iPhone existed, and wouldn't even consider the iPhone as a smartphone, hardly any androids for that matter, this is irrelevant. The girls and the grandmothers have stolen the smartphone.

Smartphones are getting boring. There's lots more fun stuff happening with smart tvs and related stuff atm.

ggabriel 2012-12-10 14:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303079)
so true......I have to say that iOS is addictive, just took the SIM out of LUMIA 920 and put it back into iphone4s, iphone still better when it comes to typing on the screen, so fewer errors, and just smoother overall. Both are miles ahead of N900 or N9....
I disagree.... N9 at least is far better than iOS in any way I can think of, except perhaps that iOS has copy/paste in the mail application. Then, reception, maps, battery life, swype, multitasking and browser are the things that I can think off the top of my head that iOS can't do as well.

Lumiaman 2012-12-10 15:43
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1303116)
I disagree.... N9 at least is far better than iOS in any way I can think of, except perhaps that iOS has copy/paste in the mail application. Then, reception, maps, battery life, swype, multitasking and browser are the things that I can think off the top of my head that iOS can't do as well.
You never used iOS. Sorry, but 100 million + people cant be wrong.

thedead1440 2012-12-10 15:46
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303138)
You never used iOS. Sorry, but 100 million + people cant be wrong.
Do you see the contradiction in your sentence? You accuse someone of not having used iOS and quantify it with the 100+ million people stat; conversely do you mean those people tried Harmattan before sticking with iOS? :cool:


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