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HtheB 2019-03-11 14:51
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I hope for a dual boot to solve the app gap

juiceme 2019-03-11 16:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1555123)
I hope for a dual boot to solve the app gap
Yep, dual boot should be OK for those people who need an Android app now and then, I would not want to pollute the SFOS side with Androidy bits.

wicket 2019-03-11 16:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1555120)
That would be the correct answer. However, there are open source alternatives, which can be worked on to get to and passed their level of integration and implementation. Anbox being one example.

I am seriously considering of getting the device I was planning to test out the device at their office if/once they organise that. In which case I would work on an android app compatibility layer be it Anbox or something else.

Speaking of Anbox, by default the keyboard is disabled as it is set up for use on a desktop/laptop. This device would not have that issue, making one less thing to fix.
For what it's worth, Anbox is already in the ascii-backports repos which are compatible with Maemo Leste. Bar some PVR video driver issues, we're close to getting it running in Leste. If it turns out that the mainline A5xx Freedreno driver is in a good state (mainline Freedreno is in a much better state than PVR), Anbox should just work out-of-the-box.

nh1402 2019-03-11 20:11
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1555127)
For what it's worth, Anbox is already in the ascii-backports repos which are compatible with Maemo Leste. Bar some PVR video driver issues, we're close to getting it running in Leste. If it turns out that the mainline A5xx Freedreno driver is in a good state (mainline Freedreno is in a much better state than PVR), Anbox should just work out-of-the-box.
What works and what doesn't in Anbox though? last time I tried (some time ago now) networking and sensors didn't work.

gtmaster303 2019-03-12 02:30
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1555122)
Even if it would be better to have Alien Dalvik, I can leave quite well without Android apps...
Android needs to be bulletproof on this device to stand a chance. That means regular updates at a minimum, no bloatware, and strong custom ROM support
Everything else is secondary or further below

r0kk3rz 2019-03-12 03:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1555137)
Android needs to be bulletproof on this device to stand a chance. That means regular updates at a minimum, no bloatware, and strong custom ROM support
Everything else is secondary or further below
From what I've read Chen intends for it to be basically 'Android One' but maybe without paying for the brand name.

Since it'll be treble based, custom android roms should just slot in, in theory anyway...

xman 2019-03-12 05:28
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Didn't see these on the first page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MumQiqkxqDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl00Hs169ws

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Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-03-12 11:40
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Will there be a proper Notes app like on the N900?

wicket 2019-03-12 13:31
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1555132)
What works and what doesn't in Anbox though? last time I tried (some time ago now) networking and sensors didn't work.
I've no idea about sensors (not tested them) but networking works. You just need to set up a bridge interface like you would for any other LXC container. There is a script included in the Anbox package for Debian which facilitates this.

HtheB 2019-03-12 14:05
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1555154)
Will there be a proper Notes app like on the N900?
there are a lot of them already available on Android. They should focus on other important parts of the OS and hardware

Astaoth 2019-03-12 14:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
The same about Sailfish OS. There are also IDE if you want to code.

HtheB 2019-03-12 16:49
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555160)
btw is the screen itself glued to the sensor glass (just like modern fashion) or there's a hope it's two standalone parts?
You mean the glass and the digitizer with the LCD? I think that's all glued together. It's pretty standard with capacitive touchscreens

xman 2019-03-12 18:03
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555160)
btw is the screen itself glued to the sensor glass (just like modern fashion) or there's a hope it's two standalone parts?
But They did mention specifically that the screen and back cover should be easy to replace with a simple small driver.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1555154)
Will there be a proper Notes app like on the N900?
Funny I didn't use the built in note app on the n900 so much. It lack some feature and did seem as touch friendly. I use Conboy which I sync with owncloud. But there are many note taking apps out there, just need to find one that fits you needs.

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taixzo 2019-03-12 18:43
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I've never gotten an app I needed to run successfully in Anbox (tested on a few various Linuxes), but maybe it will work properly on a phone? (Use cases are venmo and slack, neither of which work in a mobile browser).

mosen 2019-03-12 19:14
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1555139)
Thanks for posting!
Chen did a really great job in the first videos interview imho. Stand-up product presentation is a hard thing to do without sounding like a vacuum cleaner agent. Especially since english is not his first language. It is on thing to have an interviewer ask specific questions and have a casual conversation. But a whole other ball game to politely wrap up a product without missing a thing and still give the impression you are really doing what you love. Standing ovation from my side.

nh1402 2019-03-12 21:03
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Decided to preorder one yesterday, Order: 8621

HtheB 2019-03-12 21:48
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1555163)
But They did mention specifically that the screen and back cover should be easy to replace with a simple small driver.
I was talking about the OLED and the touchpanel itself, not about the screen attached to the body like other phones do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555168)
there's a lot of capacitive screens where the touch panel and the screen itself are discrete parts.

glueing them togtether is done for marketing purposes only (when you break the glass and screen is intact, trying to unglue the glass breaks the screen too).
Can you name some phones who do this? I haven't seen them, apart from the old iPads. I've worked at a phone repair shop, and believe me, they were a pain to get them clean! Once opened, it never is as good as before, while the screens glued to the digitizers had never problems. This is why they are not separate anymore.
But, lets see how this phone will be structured, I might be wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1555175)
Decided to preorder one yesterday, Order: 8621
Just now?.... Shame on you! :mad:

:D hehehe welcome to the club!

HtheB 2019-03-13 01:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555177)
not phones but tablets. for example, Acer A211 had both versions of glued and separate screen and glass.
There is your answer; The Pro1 is a phone, not a tablet

r0kk3rz 2019-03-13 02:25
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Fused ones do look better, and are easier to package and assemble so its easy to understand why manufacturers would prefer them

taixzo 2019-03-13 14:57
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1555176)
Can you name some phones who do this? I haven't seen them, apart from the old iPads. I've worked at a phone repair shop, and believe me, they were a pain to get them clean! Once opened, it never is as good as before, while the screens glued to the digitizers had never problems. This is why they are not separate anymore.
But, lets see how this phone will be structured, I might be wrong.
My Nexus 5 does this; as I discovered when I attempted to purchase a replacement screen, but inadvertently got only a digitizer.

ThomasAH 2019-03-13 15:50
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555186)
not connected at all. glueing screen and glass together is ONLY marketing issue, there's no other reason behind this.
Actually, I think HtheB just mentioned a very good reason in his earlier reply:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB
I've worked at a phone repair shop, and believe me, they were a pain to get them clean! Once opened, it never is as good as before, while the screens glued to the digitizers had never problems. This is why they are not separate anymore.
Also, in response to this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1555193)
My Nexus 5 does this; as I discovered when I attempted to purchase a replacement screen, but inadvertently got only a digitizer.
That does not necessarily say much about the original product design. Were the parts you bought/received original replacement parts? Or are the screen parts (glass plate, digitizer, screen) simply sold separately on the 'aftermarket' (E-bay, etc.)? :)

Heik 2019-03-13 17:21
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1555193)
My Nexus 5 does this; as I discovered when I attempted to purchase a replacement screen, but inadvertently got only a digitizer.
I have replaced quite many screens on Lumia 920. Digitizer is glued. Had to be very careful to order whole screen, not only digitizer.

So, what you find on sale, does not necessarily reflect the reality.
I know it is possible to replace only the digitizer on Lumia 920, but it is very hard to manage in it.

r0kk3rz 2019-03-13 22:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1555199)
but everyone has their own priorities and they might lack some common sense and it's totally okay...
I thought the common sense thing to do would be not to drop your phone so much, or if you really cant help it then get a massive protective case.

Or maybe im just lucky to have never broken a screen on a device ever

gtmaster303 2019-03-14 02:47
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
As much as I like seeing preorder numbers climb, these are non-committal, meaning you can back out at any time. Real worth will prove itself when it comes to actual sales.
Even without any formal marketing, there's obviously demand for a device like this (about 5k customers). Maybe more if the device gets a lot of publicity and positive feedback. I'd love to know if there's a quota they need to fill

nh1402 2019-03-14 09:51
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1555208)
there's obviously demand for a device like this (about 5k customers).
You're about 50% off there, it's over 8600 atm.

mosen 2019-03-14 12:41
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1555209)
You're about 50% off there, it's over 8600 atm.
Preorder started around 27-02-19 17:54 and the first member we can "track" is 4805.
Either there where ~4800 pre pre orders F(x) already gathered upfront, or we relatively securely guess ~3800 currently.

Has anyone checked if 4800 is a lucky number in china :D I know the 8 is. Only guessing from personal experience though. (Behold, another sushi OT) 2014 i did a take-away-sushi trial phase with a local (chinese native) wholeseller, he started order numbers for all new products at 888.

For F(x) it is still a volume > 2.4 mil.$ before taxes at minimum assumption. Minus guessed taxes ~20% they got more than 1.9mil to work with if everyone keeps the preorder promise.

gtmaster303 2019-03-14 14:35
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1555210)
Preorder started around 27-02-19 17:54 and the first member we can "track" is 4805.
Either there where ~4800 pre pre orders F(x) already gathered upfront, or we relatively securely guess ~3800 currently.

Has anyone checked if 4800 is a lucky number in china :D I know the 8 is. Only guessing from personal experience though. (Behold, another sushi OT) 2014 i did a take-away-sushi trial phase with a local (chinese native) wholeseller, he started order numbers for all new products at 888.

For F(x) it is still a volume > 2.4 mil.$ before taxes at minimum assumption. Minus guessed taxes ~20% they got more than 1.9mil to work with if everyone keeps the preorder promise.
Wonder what the profit margins are like on this device. Assuming they're making at least 300 per device that's easily over 1 million in profit. I just hope they're successful. I want the qwerty phone to come back and stay that way. Been so many years and it would suck to only have this one device and then die out again

mscion 2019-03-14 15:47
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I hope we can put Android Q on this device. It allows a desktop mode and floating apps which can can move around the screen.

https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-desktop-mode/

mosen 2019-03-14 19:15
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1555211)
Assuming they're making at least 300 per device
That sounds way to high.
If your "making" is my profit, over the thumb 1/3 before taxes is a healthy calculation.
I would not even wonder if it is only 1/4 or less for first product.
Between 100$ and 170$ is my guess.

There are much more things to consider before making profit than production costs. Like development costs, wages for the whole team, handling returns, a nice office, the obligatory ferrari.

mcdinner 2019-03-14 19:18
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1555210)
Preorder started around 27-02-19 17:54 and the first member we can "track" is 4805.
Either there where ~4800 pre pre orders F(x) already gathered upfront, or we relatively securely guess ~3800 currently.

Has anyone checked if 4800 is a lucky number in china :D I know the 8 is. Only guessing from personal experience though. (Behold, another sushi OT) 2014 i did a take-away-sushi trial phase with a local (chinese native) wholeseller, he started order numbers for all new products at 888.

For F(x) it is still a volume > 2.4 mil.$ before taxes at minimum assumption. Minus guessed taxes ~20% they got more than 1.9mil to work with if everyone keeps the preorder promise.
I hope that 4800 is a lucky number :D

https://imgur.com/iW0e4JYl.png

Edit: I ordered at 17:57

mosen 2019-03-14 19:28
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
w00t!
Even though a number below 4800 would have even had more wow factor :D

Welcome to TMO mcdinner!
Happy to have you here, full functionality of this board will be "unlocked" once you posted 5 times.

Did you just become aware of this place (maybe via the F(x) flow of events) or can we say hello to another long time visitor?

mcdinner 2019-03-14 19:41
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Hello mosen,
thanky you for your warm welcome.
Yes, I got aware of this place because of this thread when it it apeared on google few month ago. :)

I never used maemo, my last Nokia was a E7 until it broke ;(

mosen 2019-03-14 19:55
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdinner (Post 1555219)
my last Nokia was a E7 until it broke ;(
ahh, say no more :p

Would you be pleased with Android as only option for your Pro1 or are you anticipating any alternative OS ported to the device?

mcdinner 2019-03-14 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1555221)
ahh, say no more :p

Would you be pleased with Android as only option for your Pro1 or are you anticipating any alternative OS ported to the device?
I use my phone for mail,texting,browsing and calendar (sometimes i use the phone app too :D), so I would be fine with Android only. But if there is a more "Linux-ish" OS which is stable enough for daily use, I think I'd give it a try.

deutch1976 2019-03-14 21:02
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdinner (Post 1555217)
I hope that 4800 is a lucky number :D

https://imgur.com/iW0e4JYl.png

Edit: I ordered at 17:57
Hey, that's me :D

ThomasAH 2019-03-14 21:08
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1555139)
Finally got around to watching these, and just want to say that this re-affirms my decision to preorder the device.

Seeing this I really have to congratulate Chen, be it for his effort alone.

It's the details that do it. AMOLED screen, 6GB RAM with 128GB storage (EMMC, presumably), stereo-speakers on the side, 3.5mm (TLS) headphone jack, fingerprint reader that's not integrated into the power button, and of course the big wooping sliding keyboard. These specs makes me really enthusiastic for this device. It makes me feel like Chen & co really put the user first, instead of the other big phone producers who just seem to follow the hype.

I can imagine the hardware included in this devices could perform quite well in 'convergence' mode (connected to external display/keyboard/mouse) as well, especially when running Linux (LXDE anyone?). This combined with the above-mentioned perks could really make it a killer phone/computer :)

mcdinner 2019-03-14 21:08
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1555224)
Hey, that's me :D
huh? What do you mean ? :confused:

mosen 2019-03-14 21:34
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdinner (Post 1555227)
huh? What do you mean ? :confused:
deutch is envious because he was shooting for the first order but became (480)5th :D

See
Quote:
Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1554461)
I was thinking to be among the first orders :(

HtheB 2019-03-14 23:48
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I'm #4813 :(

gtmaster303 2019-03-15 04:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
4852 here. Hope these ship fast


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