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hstende 2010-04-04 22:24
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
On my ubuntu-image inside lxde it took about 45s from I started opening openoffice writer till I could write some text with kernel running at 950

filologen 2010-04-04 22:24
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I tried GIMP with the overclocked kernel (900ghz) and it is really _much_ smoother to work with!

Ronaldo 2010-04-04 22:34
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
i'm going manually install this, i have extracted debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2 file n900@900mhz:)

now can i uninstall apps like Debian Image Installer and others if i do not need it.

can some one confirm that these where only shortcuts?

i renamed:

1gnome-alsamixer.desk
1image-install.desk
1lxdefocus.desk
1xbindkeys.desk

rebhana 2010-04-05 20:39
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 582578)
@qole: I would guess that this little modification of /usr/bin/xephwm5 (i.e. replacing Information by Info in grep) should work for the majority of languages. Information translates to Information in German and French, while in Italian you have informazione, in Spanish información, etc etc.
So perhaps you could simply apply this little fix to the current v3b image, without any ado of a new version number? I think that would solve this issue for a large number of nationalities, though probably not all.
qole, I understand that you don't have the time to produce a completely new image. Since v3b is anyway very good indeed that can very well wait until openoffice gets full armel support from Debian again. But what about making a v3c which is just v3b with minor modifications for making it suitable for localization by fixing /usr/bin/xephwm5 as done by hstende?

Out of curiosity, I checked by looking at the various /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/zenity.mo files that this fix works for almost all European languages, germanic, romanic, and also slavic when they use the Latin alphabet: bs, ca, cs, da, de, en_CA, en_GB, es, eu, fr, gl, hr, hu, id, it, lt, lv, nb, nl, nn, pl, pt, pt_BR, ro, sk, sq, sr@Latn, sv. A notable exception is .. Finnish :p

So if you still have a high rate of downloads from your file server, this minor improvement would help a fairly large percentage of the world population...

Another thing that I found important in particular when using non-English keyboards was that sticky keys should be commented out in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart. It produces too many weird effects, at least for my German keyboard, apart from the fact that also the Control key is made sticky, which may lead to very unexpected behavior.

Btw, upon running nmap in Debian chroot, I found that /etc/hosts in the Debian image reads
Code:
127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-23-14 localhost

::1    localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
Could a different host name produce any conflicts with Maemo? And also that IP6 is not present in Maemo's host file?

mscion 2010-04-05 21:34
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi Rebhana,

Do you have any clue when open office will get full armel support from Debian again. Presumably open office 3.+ would be available
then.

rebhana 2010-04-05 21:48
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 596902)
Do you have any clue when open office will get full armel support from Debian again. Presumably open office 3.+ would be available
then.
Not the faintest idea, sorry. I had already searched the web for the packages qole has been using for his image, since I was hoping they would be there on some archive, but without success. Perhaps one could ask directly somebody from Debian's openoffice team whether they could make the armel packages they pulled from their archive available in private? @qole, do you have any contacts?

mscion 2010-04-06 13:08
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
qole and rebhana:

It would be nice if openoffice 3.2 was available. According to
openoffice.org there is a significant speed up of start up times with 3.2.
They claim a 46% improvement from 3.0. I currently have 2.4
on the n900 and it takes about 45 seconds for Writer to come up.
Assuming 2.4 and 3.0 have the same start up times (need to check). That would make the cold start up 24.3 secs. Now, if you are willing to risk (to quote qole) "frying" your processor at 900Mhz you can get it down to about 18 secs.

lenny-backports has version 3.0 for armel but I could never get it to install. Anyways, It would be good to know why they were pulled before getting what you wish for. I noticed 3.2 on squeeze but not for armel.

BTW I tried the Ubuntu version and it came with openoffice 2.4. Not sure where to find 3.+ compiled to run on n900 with ubuntu


Anyways, I think you are doing a great job. I like Easy Debian.
and having linux on a device you can fit in your pocket especially when flying and having to juggle stuff (laptops, luggage and shoes).

rebhana 2010-04-07 14:56
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
mscion: I'm just a user of Easy Debian (beta tester would be really the wrong description), it's really qole alone who achieved this infinitely useful application and I have joined this thread only when everything was already working very smoothly. One of the few remaining useful threads here in fact - too many seem to be so bored that they spend their time checking for PR1.2 and telling each other about that, and others wail endlessly about missing functionality, while Easy Debian gives hundreds of programs to try at one stroke. Just yesterday I discovered a cute genealogy program (gramps), installed that on my Linux laptop and found that it is completely functional on the N900 too (though only working with debbie, not under LXDE, where it simply does not start!?).

As to OO3.2, I think it's just a question of time, but I'm already more than happy with the present version. So no need for Documents To Go to be able to inspect office files somebody sends to your device. That's all I actually need.

rebhana 2010-04-07 19:29
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 599451)
... discovered a cute genealogy program (gramps), installed that on my Linux laptop and found that it is completely functional on the N900 too (though only working with debbie, not under LXDE, where it simply does not start!?).
OK, maybe I'm still a beta tester, too. Although the program in question is most certainly not of wider interest, the problem I ran into with it perhaps is:

As I said, everything works fine when I start gramps from debbie.

Under LXDE, it just won't start. Launching gramps from a terminal within LXDE, I get the following error messages
Code:
5697: ERROR: gramps.py: line 138: Unhandled exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gramps.py", line 187, in <module>
    errors = run()
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gramps.py", line 179, in run
    from gui.grampsgui import startgtkloop
  File "/usr/share/gramps/gui/grampsgui.py", line 63, in <module>
    import Utils
  File "/usr/share/gramps/Utils.py", line 49, in <module>
    from GrampsLocale import codeset
  File "/usr/share/gramps/GrampsLocale/__init__.py", line 23, in <module>
    from _GrampsLocale import *
  File "/usr/share/gramps/GrampsLocale/_GrampsLocale.py", line 141, in <module>
    unicode(time.strftime('%B',(0,3,1,1,1,1,1,1,1)),codeset).lower() : 3,
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode
    return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, errors, True)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 1-3: invalid data
How can that be, as there were no errors at all with debbie! :confused:

For no good reason I tried again, but started LXDE by
Code:
sudo debian su - user -c xephwm5
instead of just "debbie xephwm5". All of a sudden gramps works without errors! :D:confused::D Curiously enough, I didn't need "su -" with debbie for gramps to work...

I guess that supports my previous statement that chroot should be done with "su -" throughout, and all openoffice environment variables set in the image. So that would be something for the next version easy-deb-chroot to consider. (My above suggestions for v3c are of course independent of that.)

Btw, monitoring xephwm5 I noticed an apparently harmless error. The script always produced "trl: command not found". What's that?

nokian-series 2010-04-07 22:05
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hello all,
I've do the process as showed here ' http://mundo-n900.blogspot.com/ ' (i dont search here in talk maemo due to personal reasons with the computer where i went).
Is keeping "unpacking" since 35 minutes.
Phone shows processor up and down, it's slowing, so, i think its doing something but..35 minutes ?
Any ideas ?

Thank you..

nokian-series 2010-04-07 22:46
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nokian-series (Post 600093)
Hello all,
I've do the process as showed here ' http://mundo-n900.blogspot.com/ ' (i dont search here in talk maemo due to personal reasons with the computer where i went).
Is keeping "unpacking" since 35 minutes.
Phone shows processor up and down, it's slowing, so, i think its doing something but..35 minutes ?
Any ideas ?

Thank you..
NEvermind...36 minuts..it works well : )

mscion 2010-04-08 14:41
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 599451)
mscion: I'm just a user of Easy Debian (beta tester would be really the wrong description), it's really qole alone who achieved this infinitely useful application and I have joined this thread only when everything was already working very smoothly. One of the few remaining useful threads here in fact - too many seem to be so bored that they spend their time checking for PR1.2 and telling each other about that, and others wail endlessly about missing functionality, while Easy Debian gives hundreds of programs to try at one stroke. Just yesterday I discovered a cute genealogy program (gramps), installed that on my Linux laptop and found that it is completely functional on the N900 too (though only working with debbie, not under LXDE, where it simply does not start!?).

As to OO3.2, I think it's just a question of time, but I'm already more than happy with the present version. So no need for Documents To Go to be able to inspect office files somebody sends to your device. That's all I actually need.
Yes, it is a matter of time. Red hat 5.5 offers OO 3.1.1
usually Centos follows suit after a couple of months. Hopefully
Debian will do the same for armel.

Also I agree that having OO beats Docs to Go. Version OO
that easy debian sets you up with is 3.0 so you are in good shape
if you do not need to make equations (It will show the equations
from an OO file made elsewhere. Just can't create them).

rebhana 2010-04-08 17:03
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 601045)
Yes, it is a matter of time. Red hat 5.5 offers OO 3.1.1
usually Centos follows suit after a couple of months. Hopefully
Debian will do the same for armel.

Also I agree that having OO beats Docs to Go. Version OO
that easy debian sets you up with is 3.0 so you are in good shape
if you do not need to make equations (It will show the equations
from an OO file made elsewhere. Just can't create them).
No, Openoffice in Easy Debian is 3.1.1 - it's only 3.2 which will be a matter of time. What about starting a thread "Speculations about a possible release date for a new Easy Debian image with OO 3.2" ... :rolleyes:

As I said, I'm not using OO so much myself. But I have a complete LATeX installation on my N900 :cool: I'm just waiting for wireless beamers, then I could give my physics talks with the N900 and could leave my laptop at home for good.

rebhana 2010-04-08 17:18
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 599883)
I guess that supports my previous statement that chroot should be done with "su -" throughout, and all openoffice environment variables set in the image. So that would be something for the next version easy-deb-chroot to consider. (My above suggestions for v3c are of course independent of that.)
@qole, regarding the "su -" problem I think the problem of switching over to this new behavior in a new devel version of easy-deb-chroot would be alleviated by having
Code:
#Messy hack to make tap-and-hold work with GTK apps.
export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so
#Some OpenOffice environment variables
export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk"
export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP="gnome"
export SAL_NOOPENGL="true"
export OOO_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"
export SAL_DISABLE_SYNCHRONOUS_PRINTER_DETECTION="true"
#export SAL_DISABLE_CUPS="true"
appended to $CHROOT/etc/profile in a new image v3c. It does not hurt to have these variables set both in /sbin/debian and the image, so it would be good for the present easy-deb-chroot version and future ones for which I would encourage you to replace "sudo /sbin/debian su ..." by "sudo /sbin/debian su - ..." in /usr/bin/debbie (twice).

taptap 2010-04-08 18:36
synaptic
 
Hi Qole,

Thanks first off for saving the n900 in my eyes. Sterling work. I have installed filezilla through synaptic and its perfect. I can take the sd card from my camera and use gimp,. etc.. Can any one recomend a wysiwyg editor similar to dreamweaver that i might try in debian Ive installed emacs and tinymce but was a bit lost any thoughts appreciated.

taptap 2010-04-08 21:44
Re: sorry
 
http://aminesoft.wordpress.com/2009/...tu-and-debian/


Something Like that but I dont need a complete program something basic and open? Sorry Im a bit new to linux.

rebhana 2010-04-08 21:53
Re: sorry
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 601775)
that seems to require wine, which is not available for the armel architecture. What about kompozer? That exists for squeeze, meaning you would have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list (in Debian chroot!) and activate the squeeze distribution.

EDIT: bluefish, which is mentioned in your link, is available already under lenny, so you could try that first.

taptap 2010-04-08 21:58
Re: sorry
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 601790)
that seems to require wine, which is not available for the armel architecture. What about kompozer? That exists for squeeze, meaning you would have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list (in Debian chroot!) and activate the squeeze distribution.
Hi Rebhana, can you tell me how or a good place to find out?I tried getting Kompozer through synaptic (dev and data).Looking at it now Kompozer is really what I need. Are you saying whilst in the LXDE (Debian chroot¿) I can activate the squeeze distribution? In synaptic?

:confused:

qole 2010-04-08 22:05
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
We don't have Wine, because we don't have an x86 chip, but we have things like KompoZer, BlueFish, or maybe even the non-GTK Quanta. Perhaps one of those would work?

EDIT: You guys beat me to it. Yeah, you have to activate squeeze (remove the #) in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update.

rebhana 2010-04-08 22:20
Re: sorry
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 601804)
Hi Rebhana, can you tell me how or a good place to find out?I tried getting Kompozer through synaptic (dev and data).Looking at it now Kompozer is really what I need. Are you saying whilst in the LXDE (Debian chroot¿) I can activate the squeeze distribution? In synaptic?
You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list in Debian chroot for getting squeeze. Launch the Deb chroot window (with the red spiral) and edit that file, and uncomment (remove the #) in the line referring to squeeze. Then you should be able to install with synaptic, after updating (see http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#In...g_Applications).

EDIT: Now you beat me to it, qole. Anyway, since the master is there, I can go to bed.

qole 2010-04-08 22:24
Re: sorry
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 601857)
Launch the Deb chroot window (with the red spiral) and edit that file, and uncomment (remove the #) in the line referring to squeeze.
My favorite text editor is "leafpad". So just type:
Code:
leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list

taptap 2010-04-08 23:02
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi its read only or says Cant open to write. Hmmm Im sure this obvious stuff to most here. I cant edit the file sources.list :confused:

qole 2010-04-08 23:07
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
taptap,

It is important that you edit it as root, so use the red swirl icon or run "sudo debian" from a terminal.

taptap 2010-04-08 23:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Im sure im in as root but when I go to save the edit it says Cant open to write when it is open already.

Dousan 2010-04-09 08:23
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hey qole really nice app this one :D

I have one question though. After i did the latest opdate all of the programs in the lxde dissapeard. Reinstalled the easy debian and downloaded a new image and installed that and this made it work again exept for one thing the danish (scandinavian) keyboard layout do not work anymore and without that the open off. wont really be of any use to me. We have extra letters in the alphabet (æøå) :) How to fix that :confused:

e: Have tried to set language to danish in open off. did not work. I've pushed the lxde keyboard fix and it starts up and i can press an ok button but that changes nothing :(

[DarkGUNMAN] 2010-04-09 08:39
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
2 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 601951)
Im sure im in as root but when I go to save the edit it says Cant open to write when it is open already.
You could try using Synaptic and changing the sources there.
Tools > Repositories. There you can tick which distributions to use.

Afterwards do a refresh or apt-get update

taptap 2010-04-09 10:15
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
ill try that thanks)

rebhana 2010-04-09 11:38
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dousan (Post 602368)
keyboard layout do not work anymore and without that the open off. wont really be of any use to me. We have extra letters in the alphabet (æøå) :) How to fix that :confused:

e: Have tried to set language to danish in open off. did not work. I've pushed the lxde keyboard fix and it starts up and i can press an ok button but that changes nothing :(
Have you followed all the instructions in http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Localization ? If so, what precisely is happening?

darkblane 2010-04-09 11:45
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Has anyone had any success installing gcc?

I'm trying to get citrix receiver installed and have downloaded the armel-deb package from citrix. One of the pre-requisites is to install openmotif and as there is no deb package available I need to complie from source.

Every time I try to install gcc I get errors:

Code:
[root@deb-m5v3b: /]sudo apt-get install gcc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies.
gcc: Depends: gcc-4.3 (>= 4.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
libc-dev
E: Broken packages

rebhana 2010-04-09 12:33
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkblane (Post 602635)
Every time I try to install gcc I get errors:
[/CODE]
The current image is a mixture of lenny and squeeze packages. Your errors seem to indicate that you should activate squeeze in $CHROOT/etc/apt/sources.list. See the messages above for how to do that.

Dousan 2010-04-09 12:46
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 602619)
Have you followed all the instructions in http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Localization ? If so, what precisely is happening?
Found the file inside debian (autostart file), tried to edit it but it would not save. How do i go about that :confused:

Thanks for the pointer rebhana :)

e: It was in leafpad. So how do go about getting in the debian chroot to edit that file :confused:

mscion 2010-04-09 15:11
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
qole,

Well, I decided to give ubuntu one more try (warts and all). It turns
out that it comes with OO3.1. I do not know why I got OO2.4 with the previous try (see #967). Perhaps something related to my previous downgrade to get the equation editor to work with the debian version and then not uninstalling properly. Anyways, I then tried

aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org

as you suggested and instead of downgrading the version stayed the same and the equation editor worked! I was surprised with this result because I was using a debian repository.
I guess because ubuntu is built on debian it worked. Hopefully
this will give some clues as to why the install on debian does not work or downgrades.

In regards to performance, the start-up of OO takes longer on ubuntu, about 20 seconds longer then debian, but it seems to work ok once past that stage.


Rebhana,

In regards to starting a new thread concerning "Speculations about a possible release date for a new Easy Debian image with OO 3.2"
I think I'll pass. But I might add that I was able to download and install OO3.2 with no hitches on my IMAC. Perhaps a conspiracy theorist could pick up on that. Personally I'm afraid to...

taptap 2010-04-09 15:27
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi.
Kompozer is in the menu under internet and programming but when launched I get 10 seconds full cpu showing and then nothing. When I sudo kopozer I get

(process:2202) Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.

Using fallback `C´locale.

(kompozer-bin:2202) : GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname () called multiple times

(kompozer_bin:2202) : Gdk-WARNING ** : locale not supported by C library

/usr/lib/kompozer/run_mozilla.sh: line 131: 2202 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
sh-4.1$

qole 2010-04-09 16:48
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
taptap: "Segmentation fault" is bad. That means it is just crashing. I wonder what version of Mozilla they're using. Because if they're using the engine for Firefox 2, then it will never work on armel; they never fixed Firefox 2.

rebhana 2010-04-09 17:22
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dousan (Post 602720)
Found the file inside debian (autostart file), tried to edit it but it would not save. How do i go about that :confused:

Thanks for the pointer rebhana :)

e: It was in leafpad. So how do go about getting in the debian chroot to edit that file :confused:
You should start the editor from the Debian chroot terminal (the app with red swirl). That gives you root permissions.

rebhana 2010-04-09 17:27
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 603013)
Hi.
Kompozer is in the menu under internet and programming but when launched I get 10 seconds full cpu showing and then nothing. When I sudo kopozer I get

(process:2202) Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.

Using fallback `C´locale.

(kompozer-bin:2202) : GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname () called multiple times

(kompozer_bin:2202) : Gdk-WARNING ** : locale not supported by C library

/usr/lib/kompozer/run_mozilla.sh: line 131: 2202 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
sh-4.1$
I had similar problems recently with another program (gramps, see above) which I could resolve by starting LXDE from XTerminal by
Code:
sudo debian su - user -c xephwm5
If you instead started using "debbie ...", perhaps try "sudo debian su - user -c ...." instead. In my case it did however work using debbie out of the box, only LXDE had a problem.

taptap 2010-04-09 18:45
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi Rebhana Im not getting it yet i tried to open LXDE in terminal as you say, tried both instances in the menu, same, when I sudo kompozer I get

(kompozer-bin:3530) : GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname () called multiple times

/usr/lib/kompozer/run_mozilla.sh: line 131: 3530Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
sh-4.1$

Debbie
hrmm

Hi Qole, are you saying this wont happen because of line 131 in the firefox¿?

from kompozer site :
Latest stable version: 0.7.10 (2007-08-30)
Warning: this version does NOT work with recent GNU/Linux distros.
KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK ≥ 2.14 — expect crashes. If you’re using a Linux distro that ships KompoZer 0.7.10 with GTK ≥ 2.14, please inform the package maintainers about this.

does that scuper me plans?

rebhana 2010-04-09 19:16
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 603265)
from kompozer site :
Latest stable version: 0.7.10 (2007-08-30)
Warning: this version does NOT work with recent GNU/Linux distros.
KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK ≥ 2.14 — expect crashes. If you’re using a Linux distro that ships KompoZer 0.7.10 with GTK ≥ 2.14, please inform the package maintainers about this.

does that scuper me plans?
If the problem is specifically with Mozilla, perhaps you can still use it with epiphany? This browser is also installed in Easy Debian.

taptap 2010-04-09 19:19
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
ok how do i go about that?

rebhana 2010-04-09 19:24
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taptap (Post 603302)
ok how do i go about that?
I was just thinking that the script /usr/lib/kompozer/run_mozilla.sh may be modified to use a different browser. But I don't know anthing about kompozer, I'm just guessing.

EDIT: Wow! Post no. 1000 :D


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