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Qt 4.6.2 present?

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I've been having an interesting problem. Ever since installing the leaked PR1.2 firmware, my media player is denying the existance of any music on my phone (even though I have about 20gb of it). Plus, the images app does not find any pictures. If i use file manager to navigate to the file i want to open, both the images app and the media player open it jut fine... any suggestions???

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Reflash the OS and flash the EMMC?

I have neither of those problems

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reset of the tracker db could solve it.
Have a look at this thread for more info and suggestions :
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52360

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I think PR1.2 is great BUT and it is a big but, it is flakey in some areas. There are times when the N900 gets very laggy. This can be realy anoying as you press on an icon and nothing happens, only then 5 secs later 5 versions of the same site attempt to load. It is very clear the leaked version is work in progress. I still prefer it to 1.1 but there are serious issues which could be why Nokia are still working on it. Battery life is very much improved and this to me could be the issue. it is as if the phone goes into sleep mode and takes time to wake up when you start interacting with it.

Other thing I have noticed is the lack of resonse to clicking on link on websites. It can take 10 or more attempts at times!

All other things are better, media player works well, video is far better and picture viewing and editing is better.

Oh yes one more. Several emails refuse to send, they just remain in the outbox indefinitely.

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This is how Nokia missed an opportunity. Once the leak happened, they could have made an official version available, with appropriate disclaimers. Instead they let their eager customers put themselves in jeopardy. Why? The leaked version in general is perfectly safe; it's only the method of release that caused a problem. Nokia turned victory into defeat for itself.

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I disagree. The release may be safe but it is not ready for general release. Why should Nokia be hurried by an illegal leak.

I took a big risk, and was ready for trouble. Leaked PR1.2 is ok and still better than 1.1 but it is not finished. Doubtless Nokia have a project plan, itcannot be rushed and still takes 9 women 9 months to make one baby.

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All releases have disclaimers. A release from Nokia is a release from Nokia and I expect the darned thing to work. If a company releases a lemon with a note that says "Warning: may be a lemon" the all they have to do is tag all releases and to hell with it.

There's a reason most don't install it, or custom kernels, or whatnot. I NEED the device day to day.

Finally, the test base for leaked PR is minimal. Hundreds at most. Final PR wil run on a thousand more machines. This is akin to saying a war is safe because 200 made it back. You have too small of a sample, and sample bias because people who risk it have some knowledge, some adventure and some understanding of risk involved.

A Public Release is, as the name suggests, public.

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Companies release beta software all the time, it's your choice to install it or not. There are even beta releases of OS's, again your choice to install it.

How many people do you think Nokia has testing PR1.2? Is their sample size too small? I bet it's less than a thousand :). Most of those testers are pretty close to the project and aren't "normal" users. By your logic, Nokia would never release PR1.2 due to sample size / type of tester.

I'll bet the installed base for the leaked 1.2 would double the sample pool, and with people that are likely to push the limits, exposing more bugs, if handled properly.

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I have experienced all those problems on PR1.0,1.1 and 1.1.1.

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do all rc1.2 leaked users have the same camera issue?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da1nd_zgk4U

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I don't think so coz mine doesn't..

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mine neither

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mine is fine too

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you need to set Exposure to higher/lower > change the ISO values.

if you set Exposure to 0, it will be fine. please try it again.

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No such problem. I always change the exposure value during indoor shots.

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Wroking OK for me too.
BTW, I'd go and delete those 2 comments people posted on your youtube vid.
I hate kids.

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Nope mine works fine.

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where can i find it? im not a user that has the time 2 fix everybug in his phone shlud i download it?

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Ok! We now have your permission to flash!? ;)

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True... they are also missing an opportunity now with a growing installed base and no official means of reporting bugs. True, many may have been already squashed but some... maybe not.

BTW, off topic. I saw awhile back folks talking about Canola2. Is this even worth installing on the N900?

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Nokia should have been hurried by the illegal leak because it corrected their mistake of not releasing fixes early enough.

And you say that the release is not ready for general release. What about the version that IS released? Judging from the messages that are posted here every day, the rootfs problem catches MANY users. The leaked version has a much smaller rootfs problem -- I would say it's safer than the unleaked version just because of that.

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I don't have Canola2 installed and have never been much of a fan. I have always assumed I wasn't getting out of it what I could, but it has not interested me that much.

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Can anyone test the camera for me?
Any improvements? Does it still give hazy result?
What about the Night Mode?

This is the pic i took last night on a room with good lighting :
With Macro mode and High res enabled :

http://i49.tinypic.com/w2it1l.jpg

Pretty dissapointing IMO :(
I tried it couple of times with other options but it still gave either same or worse result (and yes i used autofocus)

This better be a Software issue.. It's not acceptable result for a 5 MP camera :(

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EXIF data shows digital zoom ratio 2.8. Is that right? Surely digital zoom will trash the image

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I see a hint of a blue-greenish hue on this image as well as the digital zoom (which will make it look bad on any device).

The only fix to a blue-greenish hue is to buy a black permanent marker and take off the battery cover. Apply the permanent marker on the blue-green edge of the lens cover which is closest to the lens when taking pictures. You might want to mask the chrome frame with paint tape or similar to avoid marking that black as well.

Once dry, a few seconds after appliation, your pictures will be void of this blue-green hue and will look much better.

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I removed the cover completely and I took pictures with the N900. Took the same pictures with the N97 and the N97 simply has MUCH better colours :( even with the cover off. It's not just about the cover.

The N900 uses a warmer colour palette in general. Viewing images on the N900 and the N97, you can see the same images look warmer on the N900. I think the N900's camera is calibrated so that taking images on it and viewing them on the phone would produce a "normal" quality. PIctures viewed elsewhere though would look dry.

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PR 1.2 updates radio modem so reverting might let you phoneless(, or so I've read). If W7 beta flashed my MB BIOS and it would no longer run XP, that beta would be laughed off the stage.

A beta FW would be OK as long as it would be available OTA and as long as a button in the menu could do it back to 1.1.1 OTA. As in, you know, "revertable".

I'm still going to wait because so many people complain, and I simply can't be without my N900.

As for the image, it seems to me someone cranked up ISO to take that shot. Whether it's a software bug or a manual setting I couldn't say. I still wonder why N900 doesn't allow different image formats. JPEG compression is visible in the posted sample.

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The video appears to work only if the other end initiates video. Only then does the video button show up on the N900. So you have to already be in a skype call and the other person have to start their video. Works every time regardless of connection speed.

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Similar results here. This is most likely a software optimization issue since my E72 takes uncomparably better photos and it doesn't even have Zeiss lens. There is too much noise in the photos from the N900 even in perfect outdoor lighting. I really don't see any improvements in the camera over PR1.1. The night mode takes the same really bad photos.

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Could you take a pic with same settings but outside in full sun? We could run a comparison.

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Heres when i take a pic outside with pr.1.2 leaked

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1543/20100521001.jpg

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That beta might b laughed off the stage, but there'd still be people that did it. If I wasn't planning on upgrading to 1.2, I'd be worried.

If a beta was OTA, everyone would flash and you'd get all sorts of complaints and bad press. If you have to flash it, far fewer people will flash and you get a lot less complaints from people who shouldn't be beta testing.

In a real beta, I'm sure re-flashing the modem firmware would be possible.

Fact is Nokia missed out on a chane to get another "300" and improve their product. I believe it's a matter of too few people left working on it. I'm running it, haven't had a single problem, and I love it.

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Hmm.. yes but i don't think thats the problem, i've taken numerous shot without zooming and the results were about the same.. I'll upload the one without zooming later

Even my N73 takes better pics than this :(
Oh man, so no improvements? It could be hardware issue though because the result is ALOT BETTER for outdoor pics, it seems like there's something wrong with the way N900 handles lighting..
I'm gonna take it to Nokia Center tommorow and see what they think about it..

I'll try this, but i'm gonna use small black tape instead..
To be honest i'm quite pessimist because some people already tried this on other thread and it makes no difference..

This is what i was talking about, the pics taken is better outdoor..
Could you take indoor pics at night for comparison? Inside a room with good lighting, just like my case?

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Here's one i just took outside my house :

http://tinypic.com/m/ab181w/2

Same settings, autofocus, macro mode and hi res.
See the difference?

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yeah when i get home i will take some inside.

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So, its almost june... when will this 1.2 become official?

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The leaked RC version that is been discussed here will never become official. It has been superceded already.
The official pr1.2 should have about 4 weeks extra bug fixes in but there is also speculation of a PR1.2/Meego release very soon.
Might even be one and the same ;)

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I get the same quality as you do here. One can still see the poor CMOS sensor artifacts and JPEG compression, but it's much lower. Bug in post-processing?

Ok, I'll say it. We have a pretty bad camera. I also suspect some upscaling, as it's distinctly lacking in detail, knowing it has optics and a 5 MPx sensor. Reducing images on the PC I go below 3MPx for a clear, sharp image. And about 1.5MPx for beautiful. I'm not saying it's Nokia, but it sure seems like someone upscales.

I did a side-by-side comparison to some pics I took with my old N80, pinhole 3.2 MPx, later admitted to be upscaled from 2 MPx IIRC. They are strikingly similar. Gain is small. Also, the "smaller" N80 sensor also has less noise in good light (more in low).

Ever since I bought a DSLR and some glass I've begun to see defects I never noticed before in photos. It is my personal opinion, as an amateur photographer, that N900 either cheats (upscaling/post processing - median noise) or has some sort of processing bug. And it seems to be worse in 1.2 (still on 1.1.1 here). Not to mention the flash myself in the eye design of the case. Also, the compression has some kind of problem. Fitting 5 MPx in 1 MB in a second without the aid of a nitrogen-cooled quad core means that losses are going to be quite high.

Oh well. Anyone have a test pattern handy?

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Sorry for being a noob, but what's upscaling? :p
Is it optimizing image result?
So if it is indeed causing problem,
maybe we can propose them to make another camera program to solve this problem..

I think we need opinions from digital camera expert,
especially the one that knows the structure & coding of N series camera,
that way we can determine the exact cause of this problem..

Being a normal user, i can only hope this is software problem,
not a hardware problem, because it'd be harder to fix :(
Hopefully this is fixed in the "official PR 1.2" :)

btw i've tried removing the back cover,
i thought it'd better than marking the lens cover,
still get same result though :(