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shadowjk 2011-05-19 04:18

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1008868)
Are you kidding me?
I tell you that there will be updates for this device every six month as long as MeeGo exists

Unfortunately meego.com OS doesn't have what people want from updates. Since N900 was released, the ms exchange functionality is working with fewer servers, html5 arrived, webm was invented, facebook features have been dropping off, and more and more websites require flash10 even for trivial things.

The browser issue is partially fixed, except that fennec requires the combined hardware of 4 N900s to run well.
No documentation on the video acceleration hardware, so WebM and future formats rely on Nokia.
Flash 10, Flash 11, Flash 12, Flash n+1 relies on Nokia/Adobe..


Hopefully atleast Meego.com updates would bring a kernel not hopelessly outdated, and userspace tools that are up to date too. Good for developers, but not that interesting to end-users.

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 05:51

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by law138 (Post 1009626)
Does anyone know if this phone will be 3g or 4g ?

define 3G and 4G.
it's actually hexaband, which means that it works anywhere in the world. But it does not have LTE, WiMax or whatever it is called these days...

I'm actually quite surprised that nearly nobody jumped on the display resolution wagon... he he... :D

Take a look at this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=221
Throw the two images on each other. Compare.

Then proof erodorn right or wrong: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=327

iPhone: "Well *I* have an super cool retina display"
N9: "Retina? That thing from 2007?"

:D

Kozzi 2011-05-19 06:05

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009684)
I'm actually quite surprised that nearly nobody jumped on the display resolution wagon...

:D


maybe you need some "he he" ;)

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 06:11

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozzi (Post 1009696)
maybe you need some "he he" ;)

fixed for you... ;)

Lullen 2011-05-19 06:32

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
So the screen is really 720p?! Will it be CBD?
There is a lot of talk by eldar that it will only be 92k N950s... Could you please tell me this is not true? Else I will have to be standing in line like a apple fanboy to get one :/

onethreealpha 2011-05-19 06:36

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
must say, I've got wood looking at the video and still shots.
looks like the perfect upgrade.
bigger screen, nice kb spacing, hdmi.
I'm not fussed about the political fighting over whether it's "real" meego or not. if the OS is fast, stable and bug free and the built in software functionality is there, I'm in.


*sent from my N900 Meego device ;)

Brock 2011-05-19 06:39

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
good morning,
i think, if the "V" has 6px (with my missing px in the base) that would be great... awesome... incredible...

The first HDready (1280*720) phone in the world...

Due to this, the cpu cant be a singlecore (except they made the most ressource-less os in the world) if they want it run as smooth as in the teaser... i still hope for a dc and a good gpu... maybe really with the u8500... i think this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_ubl-vMLqw) should become saying the truth... he deserves it ;)

Lets dream a little bit: You are meeting a friend in a cafe... he putts his iphone 4 on the table... you put your n9 on the table... and he gets big eyes while watching a hd 720p movie on the n9 realising that he is not able to do the same... ;)

Daneel 2011-05-19 06:52

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009684)
I'm actually quite surprised that nearly nobody jumped on the display resolution wagon... he he... :D

Why should we jump? Its already settled that the N9/950 will champion Toshiba's HD screen of awesomeness :D

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 07:12

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1009714)
Why should we jump? Its already settled that the N9/950 will champion Toshiba's HD screen of awesomeness :D

is it?


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rentze 2011-05-19 07:17

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
The teaser has been removed from YouTube!

chase15 2011-05-19 07:20

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
rumors rumors.. damn.. just release it.. :D

Zekahz 2011-05-19 07:22

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1009720)
The teaser has been removed from YouTube!

By a claim of Nokia.. nicee

Daneel 2011-05-19 07:23

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009718)
is it?

Do not stir the pot! :)

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 07:43

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daneel (Post 1009724)
Do not stir the pot! :)

don't be disappointed if it's not...
better prove it by yourself!

OVK 2011-05-19 07:46

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
A couple of months ago there was a user in Finnish mobile phone forum telling that he had heard from a Nokia engineer that Harmattan phone will have higher screen resolution than N900.

Is this a credible source? Not really but adds nicely to the speculation here.

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 07:50

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1009734)
A couple of months ago there was a user in Finnish mobile phone forum telling that he had heard from a Nokia engineer that Harmattan phone will have higher screen resolution than N900.

Is this a credible source? Not really but adds nicely to the speculation here.

I don't know him, but let's face it: 800x480 was used by Nokia since 2005 - 2006 (Nokia 770).
A display resolution upgrade would make sense. Especially since the iPhone 4.

Hey, it doesn't have to continue being just a speculation...
Compare the screenshots and you have your answer...

marrat 2011-05-19 07:57

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009736)
I don't know him, but let's face it: 800x480 was used by Nokia since 2005 - 2006 (Nokia 770).
A display resolution upgrade would make sense. Especially since the iPhone 4.

Hey, it doesn't have to continue being just a speculation...
Compare the screenshots and you have your answer...

I suspect an announcement is really near now... at most a few days upto one week and we know for sure...

OVK 2011-05-19 07:58

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009736)
Hey, it doesn't have to continue being just a speculation...
Compare the screenshots and you have your answer...

Speculation is a lot more fun than knowing.

NvyUs 2011-05-19 08:03

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
:D Who Needs HDMI port when you've got a HD screen :D

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 08:12

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I think it is the right time to quote Peter Schneider, Head of MeeGo Marketing:

Quote:

"Vorsprung durch Technik" like N900 but as I wrote today also style of an Audi. RT@qoymnasri What a normal user can expect device will be?
http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/45184723257016320

edbanger 2011-05-19 08:25

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009007)
yes, sorry for being offtopic. :p
back to work! :rolleyes:

edit: maybe we should take another look at the teaser in full-hd, pause at some screen-closeups? just to make sure to not sink into boredom...

edit 2:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_W...nnahandcom.jpg

edit 3:
now we need a 800x480 or 854x480 pixel screenshot from a N900...

edit 4:
let's take this one:
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.c...r-portrait.png

Ok, I'm not totally awake yet, so please correct me if my logic is off, but if i take the word clock from the n900 screen, it's 38 pixels wide. This means it fits 12.6315789 times on a 480px screen.

When i then measure the width of the n950 screen on the screencap, and take the black borders in account, i get something like 1120px wide, and 76px for the word Clock, meaning that it would fit 14.73 times on that screen.

Multiplying 38px with 14.7368421 gives me 560px, so I'm leaning more to qHD, and thus 960*540.

qwazix 2011-05-19 08:34

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 1009589)
btw. to end user it doesn?t matter :| Speed is king no matter how it is played behind curtains. Only people who are really interested are people hanging around here :|

IMO it should not take more than 3 secs and should not halt whole OS while doing these heavy I/O operations.

No, I'm not interested in the theoretical advantage of pulling dependencies, I couldn't care less. But I have used 2 android devices, and at about 20 installed apps they complain about memory full. I'm sure there is a lot of redundancy in those apk files (otherwise why simple apps should be 20 and 30 megabytes)

What app (excluding games) is 20 megabytes in extras?
________
Bong pictures

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 08:39

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edbanger (Post 1009762)
Ok, I'm not totally awake yet, so please correct me if my logic is off, but if i take the word clock from the n900 screen, it's 38 pixels wide. This means it fits 12.6315789 times on a 480px screen.

When i then measure the width of the n950 screen on the screencap, and take the black borders in account, i get something like 1120px wide, and 76px for the word Clock, meaning that it would fit 14.73 times on that screen.

Multiplying 38px with 14.7368421 gives me 560px, so I'm leaning more to qHD, and thus 960*540.

you're assuming that the resolution of the font is the same on both devices. it wouldn't make sense to keep the icon/font-resolution of a lower resolution device on a higher resolution device because the resolution have to aument to remain with the same icon/font-size.

mece 2011-05-19 08:40

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edbanger (Post 1009762)
Ok, I'm not totally awake yet, so please correct me if my logic is off, but if i take the word clock from the n900 screen, it's 38 pixels wide. This means it fits 12.6315789 times on a 480px screen.

When i then measure the width of the n950 screen on the screencap, and take the black borders in account, i get something like 1120px wide, and 76px for the word Clock, meaning that it would fit 14.73 times on that screen.

Multiplying 38px with 14.7368421 gives me 560px, so I'm leaning more to qHD, and thus 960*540.

EDIT: Oh oh, another thing, the fonts doesn't seem exactly the same. The N9/50 screen has a larger space between the o and the c in Clock than the N900 pic.

you can get the exact size of the bezel from this pic
http://vaibhavsharma.files.wordpress...-photos-16.jpg

I don't have it in full hd though.

edbanger 2011-05-19 08:48

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009774)
you're assuming that the resolution of the font is the same on both devices. that wouldn't make sense on a higher resolution device because the pixel density have to aument to remain with the same icon/font-size.

Ok, I was hoping I did something wrong :)
But hey, now that i've done it wrong, someone else can do it the right way, and hopefully confirm the awesomeness.

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 08:49

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mece (Post 1009778)
I don't have it in full hd though.

take a look at this album: https://picasaweb.google.com/meetmeego/NokiaN9#
I've uploaded the pics which were somewhere here in the forum...

Helmuth 2011-05-19 08:53

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009736)
I don't know him, but let's face it: 800x480 was used by Nokia since 2005 - 2006 (Nokia 770).
A display resolution upgrade would make sense.

a 1024x768px resolution would be nice, even a 560p would be nice. I had the problem that some dialogs at gimp where to height for the 480p N900 screen. So, with a 560p or 768p screen would Gimp work a lot better!
But sadly it will most likely get a capacitive screen. And without this accuracy and without pen Gimp will stop working for me. :(
Again... [sigh]

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 08:56

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1009787)
a 1024x768px resolution would be nice, even a 560p would be nice. I had the problem that some dialogs at gimp where to height for the 480p N900 screen. So, with a 560p or 768p screen would Gimp work a lot better!
But sadly it will most likely get a capacitive screen. And without this accuracy and without pen Gimp will stop working for me. :(
Again... [sigh]

as it is clearly a 16:9 ratio, it would be 1280x720, 960x540 or 854x480.
yes, that's the down-side of a capacitive screen...

mece 2011-05-19 09:02

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Anyone have a large enough monitor to get an actual 1080p screencap? These pictures are not full size...

EDIT: oh damn, the video was removed...

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 09:06

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mece (Post 1009796)
Anyone have a large enough monitor to get an actual 1080p screencap? These pictures are not full size...

I could do it at home, later today (in six hours) edit2: forgot that the video was removed^^. I got the pictures from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...06#post1008506

edit: I could imagine, that the first one proving such a high display resolution with an image would end up on engadget.... ;)

anapospastos 2011-05-19 09:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mece (Post 1009796)
Anyone have a large enough monitor to get an actual 1080p screencap? These pictures are not full size...

EDIT: oh damn, the video was removed...

Is that you want?

Lullen 2011-05-19 09:35

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
When will the next teaser be out? Before MC?

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 09:40

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lullen (Post 1009815)
When will the next teaser be out? Before MC?

I don't have any influence on that (thanks god).
there is a second teaser and it is in the hands of the one who leaked the first one.
maybe this person is scared because of Nokias investigations.

marrat 2011-05-19 09:45

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009818)
I don't have any influence on that (thanks god).
there is a second teaser and it is in the hands of the one who leaked the first one.
maybe this person is scared because of Nokias investigations.

Reasonable... if he(she?) doesn't want to get killed... However, I still suspect we won't need another leaked teaser, as it can't be so much more longer till we get official information...

NvyUs 2011-05-19 09:47

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I just hope the People who get Dev devices are not made to sign NDA otherwise we will have to wait until launch of the Consumer product before we get a full look of UI and stuff.

sponka 2011-05-19 09:51

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Google "Nokia N9 Teaser" and you'll get plenty working links ...

Helmuth 2011-05-19 09:52

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I don't need a second teaser video. It wondn't speed things up... :rolleyes:

tissot 2011-05-19 09:54

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1009824)
I just hope the People who get Dev devices are not made to sign NDA otherwise we will have to wait until launch of the Consumer product before we get a full look of UI and stuff.

%&/#P!¤
Some of us have been waiting so long for Harmattan and later on MeeGo..... now again Harmattan device that i i'm going to boil over if we wont see the device meant for us consumers by end of this month. whatever that device ends to be.

I mean i'm just trying to throw some big sums of money to Nokia's face but they are not accepting it. ;)

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-19 09:54

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
i,m not too fussed about 720p, it would be nice but only truly useful in edge cases, but qHD would be both a mimimum expected and genuinely useful.

retsaw 2011-05-19 10:00

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marrat (Post 1009821)
Reasonable... if he(she?) doesn't want to get killed... However, I still suspect we won't need another leaked teaser, as it can't be so much more longer till we get official information...

Personally I could have done without the first teaser, then I wouldn't have read through 42 pages (and counting) of mostly wild speculation. ;)


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