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jakibaki 2017-09-05 21:53
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
From the #sailfishos-porters irc:

[23:42:19] <sledges> early testers welcome, please feedback things i obviously forgot (guide is ready only until the first dhd build): https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish..._iknewyoudlook

Also this seems noteworthy:

[23:51:20] <mal> sledges: nice :)
[23:52:18] <sledges> thanks:) community will be able to bake images for other sony open devices by *just* adding their/family repos to manifest and tweaking configs for pixel ratio:)

one_with_linux 2017-09-06 02:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533972)
From the #sailfishos-porters irc:

[23:42:19] <sledges> early testers welcome, please feedback things i obviously forgot (guide is ready only until the first dhd build): https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish..._iknewyoudlook

Also this seems noteworthy:

[23:51:20] <mal> sledges: nice :)
[23:52:18] <sledges> thanks:) community will be able to bake images for other sony open devices by *just* adding their/family repos to manifest and tweaking configs for pixel ratio:)
Well, I was able to follow the guide so far. (built hybris-boot.img and hybris-recovery.img) The next thing to do is create a Kickstart File I believe.... No idea how. :confused:

Thoke 2017-09-06 05:06
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
[OT!]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amboss (Post 1533929)
I feel I have to object to this. This article is just an abbreviation of some study with no mention of the whole test setup. While I think talking on the phone is distracting somehow, I personally feel more in track when talking on the phone with my hands ready to use on gearstick, turning light and wiper switches. Dialing a number is voice controlled by the cars entertainment system, for picking up and dialing I don't even need to remove my hands from the steering wheel as there are buttons there.
True, dialing can be dangerous and I have experienced it as dangerous myself as well. It's about the need to focus I think.

About the study itself: absolutely true. No studies which do not provide relevant background facts or have been done with a flawed initial setting are to be trusted. I remember one study that came to the conclusion that electric cars pollute more than fuel cars, but then I read that they calculated that by assuming the electricity that the car needs comes from fossil fuels (they assumed it comes mostly from coal) and something in the battery technology they used in the study was outdated and does not represent today's electric cars... So, yeah. That study was done in Norway by the way.

Quote:
Besides: they haven't compared it to talking to someone in the car. The outcome of that comparison would be close to the same, especially if you have kids in the car constantly babbling and screaming. Even with a wife next to you, who is probably responding in a decent manner an listening while you talk, the distraction is only dampened by the fact, that she is also looking on the street ahead ;)
Yes, very true, and the study could be expanded in that way. I have had some close calls because I was too focused on what others in the cars are saying. So, now I do not focus on what they say anymore :D Sure my responses are not thought out but at least I don't kill anyone.

Quote:
Another sidenote: I especially find people funny that are talking holding the phone a bit away from the head and using speakers instead of the earpiece (in German "hands-free" translates more like non-attached)
Hey, I use that! :D It's so convenient because you can put down the phone somewhere and still hear what the caller is saying. Especially useful in the house for example if you want to cook and still want to talk with someone on the phone ;)

In the car... well yeah, it doesn't give as much advantages because you actually have to still hold the phone in your hand. If I could attach the phone to the steering wheel... I would still talk on the phone only when absolutely necessary though.

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Fellfrosch 2017-09-06 06:28
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533972)

Also this seems noteworthy:

[23:51:20] <mal> sledges: nice :)
[23:52:18] <sledges> thanks:) community will be able to bake images for other sony open devices by *just* adding their/family repos to manifest and tweaking configs for pixel ratio:)
I read this the way, that Sailfish X will definitely run (with Alien Dalvik and Exchange support) on the Xperia compact even when it is not officially supported (yet). Or have I misunderstood that.

jakibaki 2017-09-06 06:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1533977)
I read this the way, that Sailfish X will definitely run (with Alien Dalvik and Exchange support) on the Xperia compact even when it is not officially supported (yet). Or have I misunderstood that.
If I understand it correctly it just makes porting sailfish os to other xperias really easy. Inofficial ports are still not allowed to bundle aliendalvik afaik.

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pacman 2017-09-06 06:40
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by one_with_linux (Post 1533964)
Jolla posted:


The Link in the text "writing to us" is incorrectly formatted. It should be a link to the email I posted above. (At least that's what the HTML code looks like to me)

I'm not saying spam the guy. I'm saying email the guy to "register your interest" if you want to build Sailfish images.
The "email" is probably formatted that way to discourage people from e-mailing just now. I am sure that they will edit it with a proper mailto: link when they want people to contact them.

Fellfrosch 2017-09-06 06:42
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533978)
If I understand it correctly it just makes porting sailfish os to other xperias really easy. Inofficial ports are still not allowed to bundle aliendalvik afaik.

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But if it is that easy like described, than it makes no sense not to offer SF X for more devices than Xperia X anyway.

jakibaki 2017-09-06 06:45
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1533980)
But if it is that easy like described, than it makes no sense not to offer SF X for more devices than Xperia X anyway.
They've hinted multiple times that there are plans to do just that :)

Their priority right now is getting the Xperia X to run and after that they can work on getting other devices to work.

Fellfrosch 2017-09-06 07:16
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533981)
They've hinted multiple times that there are plans to do just that :)
I know, but they also told, that it depends on the success of the Xperia X campaign and I'm convinced the campaign would be more successful, if they woulf tell us:

"XPeria X is first but these 2 devices will also be supported later on.
So you can buy SF X now and use it for the other devices, as soon as it is ported for them."

I am, for example. not interested in the Xperia X, because I plan to buy the livermorium device. But if they already would announce, that they will support the Xperia X compact, I would buy Sailfish X because I'm really interested in having a device with a smaller form factor besides the quite large livermorium.

mariusmssj 2017-09-06 07:45
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1533982)
I know, but they also told, that it depends on the success of the Xperia X campaign and I'm convinced the campaign would be more successful, if they woulf tell us:

"XPeria X is first but these 2 devices will also be supported later on.
So you can buy SF X now and use it for the other devices, as soon as it is ported for them."

I am, for example. not interested in the Xperia X, because I plan to buy the livermorium device. But if they already would announce, that they will support the Xperia X compact, I would buy Sailfish X because I'm really interested in having a device with a smaller form factor besides the quite large livermorium.
But hey have also said, they didn't want to make any promises until they have tested things. What's the point to say they will support something if they have no actual data/test to show that it would be guaranteed to work.

We've known Jolla to make lovely promises and sometimes not deliver on them, I don't mind them being a bit more cautious but making sure what they say is what they do.

Fellfrosch 2017-09-06 08:21
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They don't have to make promises, but just tell us which devices are also planned to be supported. That's not a promise but just transparency and i don't know what is so horribly wrong in working a little bit more transparent. I think in this case it would not only help the community, but also Jolla.

Pim 2017-09-06 09:22
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I think they will have to start looking at other Sony devices anyway. The Xperia X is selling out rapidly, so even if there would be a huge demand, soon there will be no stock available.

Mikkosssss 2017-09-06 09:31
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Xperia X is on sale at verkkokauppa.com for 269,90 till 10.9.2017 klo 23.59.
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/prod...-puhelin-musta

meloferz 2017-09-06 11:14
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pim (Post 1533986)
I think they will have to start looking at other Sony devices anyway. The Xperia X is selling out rapidly, so even if there would be a huge demand, soon there will be no stock available.
James said once that the Xperia X is the new community phone, it is no for general users, so... People from community already bough or will buy it.

Enviado desde mi F5121 mediante Tapatalk

mariusmssj 2017-09-06 12:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pim (Post 1533986)
I think they will have to start looking at other Sony devices anyway. The Xperia X is selling out rapidly, so even if there would be a huge demand, soon there will be no stock available.
There might be more to that. Sony will be releasing Oreo for Xperia X thus I highly doubt they won't be producing more of those phones. But the longer the wait the harder it might be to get the phone :(

mikecomputing 2017-09-06 17:16
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1533998)
There might be more to that. Sony will be releasing Oreo for Xperia X thus I highly doubt they won't be producing more of those phones. But the longer the wait the harder it might be to get the phone :(
It's time moving forward for jolla with SFOS not backward... So yes time support XZ(s/1) and later phones.....

My new XZs is rapid with Android but hell I already missing SFOS :o

I just confirmed the bootloader can be unlocked checking the Service menu :D

But I have to wait some days to make sure phone works before I unlock it :cool:

explit 2017-09-06 19:49
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1534003)
It's time moving forward for jolla with SFOS not backward... So yes time support XZ(s/1) and later phones.....

My new XZs is rapid with Android but hell I already missing SFOS :o

I just confirmed the bootloader can be unlocked checking the Service menu :D

But I have to wait some days to make sure phone works before I unlock it :cool:
I also have Android 7.1.1 on my Xperia X (F5121). I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and debloated it....
But i prefer to use Jolla C as my daily driver because of SailfishOS.

Android isn't really an option for me. Even rooted not... ;-)

LouisDK 2017-09-07 06:37
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakibaki (Post 1533972)
From the #sailfishos-porters irc:

[23:42:19] <sledges> early testers welcome, please feedback things i obviously forgot (guide is ready only until the first dhd build): https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish..._iknewyoudlook
Anybody who knows what "dhd build" means?

juiceme 2017-09-07 06:59
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
hee!
I just got my shiny new F5121 and unboxed it 20 minutes ago!
It's difficult to resist the temptation to power it on until I'll get to purchase SFOS :eek:

kinggo 2017-09-07 07:42
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1533998)
There might be more to that. Sony will be releasing Oreo for Xperia X thus I highly doubt they won't be producing more of those phones. But the longer the wait the harder it might be to get the phone :(
Well, since they introduced three new lines since then I doubt that production of X is still ongoing. Add to that that when they came to market some 14-15 months ago they were quite expensive for they had inside. Which again raises the same question about the point of buying an OS for year and a half old HW.
For me, it's not about the 50€, it's just that I'm not sure what I'm buying. I like sailfish, I will support jolla but OS in a state that it is now isn't worth 50€.

eson 2017-09-07 08:03
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1534020)
It's difficult to resist the temptation to power it on until I'll get to purchase SFOS :eek:
Power it on, if that's what you want. Just don't let it go online. That's what I did. I even managed to unlock it, so it's ready for Sailfish, without going online.

juiceme 2017-09-07 08:29
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1534022)
Which again raises the same question about the point of buying an OS for year and a half old HW.
You're speaking a language I just don't comprehend. :D
To me 1,5 years old HW is topnotch!
I have never owned a device with so new SoC!

juiceme 2017-09-07 08:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eson (Post 1534024)
Power it on, if that's what you want. Just don't let it go online. That's what I did. I even managed to unlock it, so it's ready for Sailfish, without going online.
Yea, I mean to do that. First I'll need to study and check the procedure to unlock it and how to do the DRM saving hack.

pacman 2017-09-07 09:00
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1534026)
Yea, I mean to do that. First I'll need to study and check the procedure to unlock it and how to do the DRM saving hack.
In comments to the blog entry about Sailfish X, James Noori said:

Quote:
Android system won’t be wiped clean after the installation, we will be using Android drivers in order to run Sailfish OS on your device. But currently dual boot isn’t an option.
Maybe this means that the DRM keys will survive the flashing to SFOS, and will still be there if re-flashed to Android? I'm also guessing that implementing Sony's software enhancements to the camera in a future release of SFOS X will depend on access to those keys from SFOS, if not directly, then from some binary blob from Sony. Like you I have an Xperia X waiting for the release, but bought second-hand so already on Android 7. I'm going to hold off on downgrading to Android 6 and extracting the DRM keys until I know whether it is really going to be necessary.

lantern 2017-09-07 09:11
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Once you have unlocked the bootloader, your DRM keys are gone.

r0kk3rz 2017-09-07 09:15
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1534019)
Anybody who knows what "dhd build" means?
If you don't know then its probably not for you :)

dhd = droid-hal-device, its a package that we build that contains device specific stuff.

But really, if you aren't reasonably familiar with the HADK process then its probably not worth attempting at the moment, we have some early testers helping sledges get the instructions right so im sure someone will be posting images soon enough.

EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by pacman (Post 1534027)
Maybe this means that the DRM keys will survive the flashing to SFOS, and will still be there if re-flashed to Android? I'm also guessing that implementing Sony's software enhancements to the camera in a future release of SFOS X will depend on access to those keys from SFOS, if not directly, then from some binary blob from Sony. Like you I have an Xperia X waiting for the release, but bought second-hand so already on Android 7. I'm going to hold off on downgrading to Android 6 and extracting the DRM keys until I know whether it is really going to be necessary.
For the 100th time, the DRM keys are wiped when you unlock the bootloader, which is step 1 on flashing anything at all to the device. They will be permanently wiped.

nh1402 2017-09-07 09:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1534030)
For the 100th time, the DRM keys are wiped when you unlock the bootloader, which is step 1 on flashing anything at all to the device. They will be permanently wiped.
And no, if you get someone else's DRM keys it still won't work, it's device specific.

gaelic 2017-09-07 10:06
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Oh god, I really hate DRM. Only pain, no gain.

jameson 2017-09-07 10:24
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1534020)
hee!
I just got my shiny new F5121 and unboxed it 20 minutes ago!
It's difficult to resist the temptation to power it on until I'll get to purchase SFOS :eek:
I did power it up, upgraded it and keep it on and with a SIM inside. Warranty will be voided when unlocked, so it's best to test it as long as I can before that time.

juiceme 2017-09-07 12:24
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jameson (Post 1534033)
I did power it up, upgraded it and keep it on and with a SIM inside. Warranty will be voided when unlocked, so it's best to test it as long as I can before that time.
Yea, thats what all the phone manufacturers print on their disclaimer.
Fortunately it is just flapping-of-lips, at least in EU where we have this thing called manufacturer liability act.

What it means, all HW faults that happen during "reasonably expected product lifetime" are grounds for manufacturer to fix/replace. Regardless of whether "a warranty" is valid or not.

lantern 2017-09-07 12:27
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
You can reflash the saved TA region and then the phone will lock and look like it was before unlocking.

mikecomputing 2017-09-08 16:01
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1534037)
You can reflash the saved TA region and then the phone will lock and look like it was before unlocking.
Expect loosed the DRM keys and some of the camera functionality you had in the original before unlock I guess? :/

I planed to root my XZs this weekend but read xda forum about loosing functionality on the camera cause of the shitty DRM. So not sure anymore :( at least not yet but....

jakibaki 2017-09-08 16:10
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1534075)
Expect loosed the DRM keys and some of the camera functionality you had in the original before unlock I guess? :/

I planed to root my XZs this weekend but read xda forum about loosing functionality on the camera cause of the shitty DRM. So not sure anymore :( at least not yet but....
Afaik many custom roms have drm-bypass which restores those features. (not the drm keys though so returning to stock is not an option anymore at that point)

Eztran 2017-09-08 16:11
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
The TA partition contains the DRM keys. Why did you think everyone was backing it up? So make sure you do that first (it's really easy).

Looks from the XDA thread that it's been verified to reflash, too, though I haven't seen anyone say it definitely makes the camera improvements work. Should if it flashes, though.

lantern 2017-09-08 16:23
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1534075)
Expect loosed the DRM keys and some of the camera functionality you had in the original before unlock I guess? :/

I planed to root my XZs this weekend but read xda forum about loosing functionality on the camera cause of the shitty DRM. So not sure anymore :( at least not yet but....
Restoring TA partition (and flashing official FW) returns the phone to full original state. Good for warranty issues.

mikecomputing 2017-09-09 07:43
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1534081)
Restoring TA partition (and flashing official FW) returns the phone to full original state. Good for warranty issues.
AFAIK there is no way take backup of TA and DRM on XZs :o

lantern 2017-09-09 08:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
No public way - yeah. But we discuss here Xperia X.

r0kk3rz 2017-09-09 17:58
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Well I've managed to do a build for Z3 Tablet Compact using the things that Jolla released and already it's looking much better than it was before under cm-12.1

Wifi, camera, sensors, media playback all working.

This bodes well for other shinano platform devices like the Z2, Z3, and Z3C phones.

I've done up some basic instructions for anyone else with a Sony Open Device, it involves building a full AOSP Android image as per Sony's instructions before you can get started but otherwise supporting new devices looks to be easy.

Since everything else is working and I've now got the same kernel code as the Xperia X let's see if we can get that bluetooth working any better

deprecated 2017-09-09 18:01
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1534111)
Well I've managed to do a build for Z3 Tablet Compact using the things that Jolla released and already it's looking much better than it was before under cm-12.1

Wifi, camera, sensors, media playback all working.

This bodes well for other shinano platform devices like the Z2, Z3, and Z3C phones.

I've done up some basic instructions for anyone else with a Sony Open Device, it involves building a full AOSP Android image as per Sony's instructions before you can get started but otherwise supporting new devices looks to be easy.

Since everything else is working and I've not got the same kernel code as the Xperia X let's see if we can get that bluetooth working any better

Man, that's awesome news. Thanks r0kk3rz!

BluesLee 2017-09-09 19:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1534111)
Well I've managed to do a build for Z3 Tablet Compact using the things that Jolla released and already it's looking much better than it was before under cm-12.1

Wifi, camera, sensors, media playback all working.

This bodes well for other shinano platform devices like the Z2, Z3, and Z3C phones.

I've done up some basic instructions for anyone else with a Sony Open Device, it involves building a full AOSP Android image as per Sony's instructions before you can get started but otherwise supporting new devices looks to be easy.

Since everything else is working and I've now got the same kernel
code as the Xperia X let's see if we can get that bluetooth working any better
Well done, good news:-)

Can you share your image, i.e. update the Z3 tablet thread?


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