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ewan 2010-02-15 18:37
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by v13 (Post 527815)
The worst thing about the rpm transition is that most probably the system will no longer be based on Debian. This means that it will loose all benefits of Debian-derived distributions like that clear distinction of /etc and /usr, which IMO is bad news.
Um, what? It's a packaging format change - what are you talking about?

gemi 2010-02-15 18:39
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by Brank (Post 527861)
My 2 cents is I think this is a good move by Nokia. It will make the OS much more credible.
Oh, will it?

AFAIK, there have not been any Moblin devices, apart from announcements, since the project started 2007. I don't think that Intel can contribute any kind of credibility in this area.

The credibility of Nokia (and the OS) depends on whether they care for their products and customers, or not.

NvyUs 2010-02-15 18:40
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by aiyaznz (Post 527858)
Noob here. I am just about to head off to work and i stumble upon this ameego fellow. Firstly will this run on my n900 that i just bought not so long ago. Secondly does this mean that there wont be any ovi store with paid apps or anymore development for this device? Tell me quick before the rest of New Zealand wakes up and I can sell this thing.
this announcement as no impact on nokias software services at all, if anything it could help make them better, so in short the ovi store will still exist and get paid content and intel will have a store for non nokia meego products and theres still ongoing development for n900

MoJo 2010-02-15 18:41
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
I am as apprehensive as the next guy, because Nokia has a habit of not supporting devices up to its end of life, it's not that we expect a infinite length of commitment to a product. But when you purchase a product such as a phone, you expect that the company will support the hardware through warranty, and the software through bug fixes/ patches, updates. After PR1.2, how long before another update to fix bugs for which are certain to crop up? Will we be put on hold for MeeGo?

I doubt a relationship with a cut throat like Intel will end well, remember what they did to AMD, and how they had to pay up 1.2 billion for their conduct. Also what they did to the OLPC and their involvement in the Vista compatible scandal. I also personally don't like Moblin, and see no use for it in a mobile setting. Although I do see the profit and the good business this can potentially bring to Nokia ... but tread carefully as Intel is also looking to fill it's interest.

I wait and see, someone up in Nokia and Intel prove my fears wrong.

BTW, I wanted to add as a side. Anyone watch or catch Nikolas Savander say that Nokia Ovi Maps will be available to all the smartphone that have gps enabled in March?

Watch the 12:15 MWC conference from this site, it should be the first to load.

http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm

From 4:10 to 4:25

I wonder what it means for Ovi Maps on the N900?

rm42 2010-02-15 18:47
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I think it is a great move. The one advantage Android had over Maemo was that it could be licensed by other manufacturers while Maemo was exclusive to Nokia. That advantage is gone. That should bring in more third party interest, both from software and hardware developers. I expect my N900 to last me about three years. I foresee it running Maemo for the first 1.5 to 2 years. I will probably switch to MeeGo for the third. Then I will probably want to get a new device with more hardware resources. :)

Tintin 2010-02-15 18:49
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If I had just bought an N900 with a 24 months contract I'd be soiling my pants right about now taking Nokia's track-record of developing A.D.D. as soon as some other project is in the pipeline - and forgetting all about their old devices/operating systems :)

I hope all Maemo5 users like their current Nokia delivered functionality - as that is most likely all that is ever going to BE delivered now :)

ysss 2010-02-15 18:49
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by gemi (Post 527798)
Let's see:

In 4 months, Nokia will present the N950 running MeeGo, the N900 is officially discontinued and unsupported (which it has been de facto for 4 months). The N950 will be touted as the new flagship, but its software will be unfinished and missing several crucial features, but you will be able to make phone calls.

In 8 months, Nokia will announce with fanfare the great news that they have concluded a partnership with AMD to develop a mobile software called LetsGo (based on an previous attempt called MeeGo).

In 20 months, Nokia will show the N980 running LetsGo, the N950 is officially discontinued and unsupported (which it has been de facto for 4 months). The N980 will be touted as the new flagship, but its software will be unfinished and missing several crucial features, you will not be able to make phonecalls, but you will be able to listen to music.

In 16 months, Nokia will announce with fanfare the great news that they have concluded a partnership with Lego to develop a mobile software called NoGo (based on an previous attempt called LetsGo).

In 18 months, Nokia will show the N980.5 running NoGo, the N980 is officially discontinued and unsupported (which it has been de facto for 4 months). The N980.5 will be touted as the new flagship, but its software will be unfinished and missing several crucial features, you will not be able to make phonecalls, you will not be able to listen to music, but you will be able to boot it.

etc.
lol good one

And facing one lukewarm commercial acceptance after another, Nokia will go back to its root and release NoMo (based on a previous attempt called maemo).

But seriously, I think the community has been reacting to this major major news very well so far. My hats off to it... and I hope the transition will go on smoothly and will be beneficial for everyone involved, especially the consumer.

Blackbeard 2010-02-15 18:49
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 527491)
I'd used RPMs a long time ago, in Red Hat, but it was the equivalent of DLL hell in Windows. At that time, there seemed to be no central repository, so you had to manually hunt individually RPM packages on the net to fulfill the dependencies. I'm sure that has been fixed by now, but I am curious.
*sigh* That was really nasty. I wouldn't be so sure that it has been fixed.

Crashdamage 2010-02-15 18:49
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
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Originally Posted by ewan (Post 527700)
As for the RPM vs deb wars - get over it already, there are really no substantial differences left, RPM systems have long since added proper dependency handling, and debs have (more or less) added proper signatures. They're now different, but essentially equivalent, solutions to the same problem.
Exactly. In the 10 years I've used linux I've run rpm-based distros almost all the time with great success. Using CentOS 5.4 now which has flawlessly upgraded itself since I installed it as 5.1. Does anyone really believe RedHat could sell very expensive systems to banks and huge corporations to run their mission-critical stuff with if the rpm system wasn't up to the task?

Get over it. Dependency problems are a thing of the past .

pagesix1536 2010-02-15 18:50
Re: Maemo + Moblin = MeeGo
 
Meego = dumb name

What is up with these companies and stupid product names? Pixi, Pre, Wii, iPad...dumb dumb dumb...overpaid execs and marketing people obviously drinking too much. What's next, the Nokia Poopoo running Whoopiwee OS 7?


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