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I still think that NOKIA will pull it thru. Many are rooting for Windows, including carriers. They do not like one device to dominate so much. The competition is on, and I do believe that NOKIA will do fine.

The Maemo/Meego apologizers here, face it: N9 and N900 are dumb phones. They stutter, lag, dont do things properly, many, many problems. If you owned a robot or a car that had so many bugs, you be filing a complaint with your state or goverment and invoke a lemon law.

Elop did the right thing. Whether it was timely or not, only market will tell. I own NOKIA stock, I own many NOKIA phones. I hope they do well.

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then why are you here? This is maemo.org not wp.org , wake up man, you are surely entering wrong forum

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Simple. I own maemo devices.

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Lol i have lumia too, you make no sense, go to lumia forum, dont cry here, okay, loool

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I have Lumia too. Good initial try. not as good as iphone yet

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and i dont like i$hit, lol, u just follower, ur too ordinary

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1199574)

OHHHHH...Wrong!

But still the best explanation so far :)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so it the one true answer! ;)

"A smartphone is...<snip>...smartphones in the past."

Hot damn! Chuck Norris kickin' ***! :)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0...q1pjo1_500.gif

Thanks for that posting--although, I still think mine is, as you said, a far better definition. :)

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1199596)

Theyr wipeing WP cause theyr are followers. I am sure they will some other OS when Android is doomed. So facts is this has NOTHING to do with Nokias shitty decisions.

LG is very small player. I am sure they will be killed before Nokia even if WP fails.

The irony of your calling THEM a leader is that they made a decision that was probably based purely on the fact of the matter that Android makes them far more money and is far more flexible for them to work with. More importantly, I'd argue that you would be a poor and stupid business if you persist in making phones that customers aren't buying up and clearly don't want.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1199644)

I nearly apologised again (very English) but you'd probably lecture me for that too.

Not really, but if you didn't try to frame it as an insult it might have instead been much more better received. Now it reads as BOTH insincere AND an insult, where before it might have simply read as an opinion. It's hardly a language barrier and more of a tactical blunder. For example, I'm pointing this out to you so that you might understand and perhaps keep it in mind when you communicate to Americans. You can interpret it as an insult if you want but I'm not going to apologize for it. If you take it as an insult then you'll miss out on some possibly good information, or at the very least an opportunity to explain yourself better if it's not understood the way you wanted.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1199644)

I live near Mildenhall and Lakenheath so I encounter Americans more often than you appreciate, a fair few have children at the local school with my own. My sister-in-law married a US serviceman and I'd say my nephews are very much American.

...For example, the above. You could have simply framed your original statements better with information like this if someone questioned your opinion. Instead, you're pointing this out just to explain why you weren't trying to be insulting--a bad reason to have to relate this information.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1199644)

That said my view on the US perspective of smartphones is really based on the output of US tech sites, blogs and the comments sections they contain. It's obvious many have absolutely no idea of NOKIA / Symbian's heritage and the roll they've played in making smartphones what they are today.

Perhaps, could it be because Nokia has had so little heritage and role in making smartphones what they are today in the US? Sometimes, you can easily forget that you're criticizing a country full of people who are now grown adults and never heard of the name Nokia except as that cheap plastic throw-away phone at the 7-Eleven convenience store, sitting right next to the alcohol. Yes, the sad fact is that 20-something year olds REALLY never had any other exposure to Nokia, thanks to--guess who?--Nokia. They decided to ignore an entire continent, so hey pay that price. :)

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1199644)

Due to spats with carriers NOKIA didn't conquer North America in the same way it did the rest of the globe so I understand the general population not knowing but I think anyone who's going to masquerade as a tech journalist rather than just a punter with an opinion owes it to their readers to do a bit of research.

They barely TRIED to "conquer" North America, carriers or not. They barely made their presence known aside from the cheap junk phones they eventually commonly became known for in the United States. Tech journalists can hardly be blamed for not knowing a brand that had so little to do with their own market. I'm pretty certain you don't know plenty of US companies and entities that had much to do with many things you now take for granted and I don't expect journalists in a foreign press to necessarily pay attention to them either. If Nokia was serious about "conquering" North American carriers, they would have made better efforts to make their presence known and to sell to the customers. They didn't try to sell what customers wanted, didn't take care of customers competitively (better support, better repair SLA's, point of presence like kiosks, etc.) and were asking for and ended up losing out in the end. We've been repeating those suggestions here and elsewhere over the years, but Nokia doesn't seem to care.

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Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1199691)

Interestingly it completely avoids mentioning Windows. It is so funny how the guy avoids answering the question "what kind of phone is that?" He knows that the moment he says the word "Windows", her perception of him will drop a few notches. The same is true of the consumers watching that commercial.

That might also explain why the XBOX division is one of the few successes in Microsoft; By leaving out the 'Windows' name, they've probably improved its image MANY times over. The moment Microsoft decides to throw 'Windows' into the name of a game console, watch how many people will avoid it like the plague for exactly the reason you pointed out. Even just thinking about it made my gut queeze just a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1199774)

You know your platform is a big fail when carriers might support it so they can put pressure on someone else to share the profit and if they do then the carriers will probably send win phails down the toilet along with Nokia and probably Ballmer.

I don't think Elop is allowed to call Ballmer during none business hours he probably has to call some other dude at MS which will then decide if ballmer should wake up at talk to his biaatch at Nokia

I seem to remember Balmer throwing his chair across the room and saying (quoting word for word, here): "****ing Eric Schmidt is a ****ing *****. I’m going to ****ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I’m going to ****ing kill Google."

How's that temper working out for you and your company, Balmer? Just, please.. if you do take it out on Elop, make sure you post the video. Preferably to YouTube so we can all see it. Oh wait... YouTube! Just.. post it... somewhere? ;)

Lastly...
http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/...31841749_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1199797)

The Maemo/Meego apologizers here, face it: N9 and N900 are dumb phones. They stutter, lag, dont do things properly, many, many problems. If you owned a robot or a car that had so many bugs, you be filing a complaint with your state or goverment and invoke a lemon law.

How many times have we established that the N900 is a pocket computer with a cellular modem attached?

Anyways, I sure don't complain to HP, when, say the laptop that I bought (with full knowledge of its specifications, lower than the average PC at time of purchase) boots Windows 7 in only 2 minutes instead of my desktop with SATA III SLC SSDs in RAID0 boots the same in 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1199815)

I always knew that you are DA man

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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1199813)

and i dont like i$hit, lol, u just follower, ur too ordinary

Unfollow with inferior product, oh yea, unfollow, unfollow, unfollow..........blindly unfollow and blindly fall into a big blind spot

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Then why are you still here? Wee? Or drugs? :D

love this article

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Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1199691)

I saw this advertisement on TV yesterday:

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2012/...ommercial.html

Interestingly it completely avoids mentioning Windows.

Funny video :D made me laugh. Your comment however, is just you showing your prejudice. He could have had the HTC One X. What whould he answer? "It's a Java-on-top-of-Linux-phone" or it's a Android? I think not. He would say it's a HTC, or it's a HTC One X, or it's the brand new HTC, or something along those lines.

The OS is completely irrelevant for most people. What's important are specs, apps, design and updates. Sadly the Lumias are spec'ed as last years Androids.

One golden rule is: Never underestimate the power of a killer application.

A good app can turn everything upside down.

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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1199822)

Then why are you still here? Wee? Or drugs? :D

love this article

Are you happy with your dumb phone

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Why are you guys still feeding it? Just stop.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1199814)

Did I say WP was good decision made by Nokia? No I did not! But thing is LG IS a small player and even if Nokia loose alot on WP they not out of the game. Again LG is just a small "follower". Second Nokia would NOT win more by going Android even if you as an American may think soo. Cause as we already knows Nokia was more than America.

Samsung is the only winner in the case of Android because they are the only player that are in the same division as Nokia in case of quality on HW.

LG is just peace of junk. So I should even bother discuss them. I am sure Nokia will sell more WP devices than LG will sell Androids.

So my point was LG strategy is irrelevant and may NOT change anything inside Nokia. LG has never been a competitor to Nokia in highend anyway.

What is more important for Nokia now is how the new lowend Qt sells. In that case LG and similar is MAY be a competitors.

But this has nothing todo with WP cause lowend is Qt. But If they dont get the damn Meltemi/Qt devices announced Q2 2012 (yes NOW) they are doomed on the lowend cause theyre already loose alkot cause of the stupid board :(

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1199797)

dude you dont like N9 and N900, you doesnt even like Maemo and MeeGo. Then what are you doing in this forum ? Do you see any section for Lumia's or WP ? No. Then this means its not a windows phone or Lumia's forum. Its only for Maemo and MeeGo devices.

You doesnt even like N9 but still having 4 of them why ? Sell them and then buy 5 lumia phones or give them to Maemo Community they will use them to develop more apps.

And besides n900 is mobile computer not a phone. N9 and N900 can handle more than 30 apps opened but your lumia cant even handle more than 6 apps. WP will close them if open more than 6 apps. What a shame for WP.

Edit: im using N900 now for more than 6 months and believe me i havent noticed any lag in it. and there are no major bug in it thanks to CSSU. it only needs a better potrait layout.

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We are talking NOKIA stock. It depends on LUMIA sales, and dinosaur phone sales, not Meego/Maemo sales (miniscule).

I can own whatever I like for whatever reason I want. That makes me less biased and more informed on where the technology stands now from the user perspective.

If you havent noticed any lag on N900, your point of comparison must be Dinosaur phones NOKIA now only sells in Third World countries

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Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1200028)

lumia cant even handle more than 6 apps. WP will close them if open more than 6 apps. What a shame for WP.

Lumia will close apps if you open more than one (!) app, not six. It will start to discard the screenshots (!) of previously closed apps, if they reach six or so.
That IS a poor excuse for an OS indeed.

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Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1200090)

That IS a poor excuse for an OS indeed.

Depends on the measuring stick. Is the total amount of apps available for you less important than the total amount of apps you can load simultaneously? If the answer is yes, then you are dishonest IMO.

Total amount of apps available is the cake. Being able to load several at any given time is the icing.

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1200147)

Depends on the measuring stick. Is the total amount of apps available for you less important than the total amount of apps you can load simultaneously? If the answer is yes, then you are dishonest IMO.

Total amount of apps available is the cake. Being able to load several at any given time is the icing.

What? how would that be dishonest?

Anyway, you say that as if WP has got a lot of support. The amount of official app support is just as dire on WP, most the apps are unofficial or do not exist. I get by just fine with the amount of apps on Maemo because alternatives exist I even get more full fledged programs because I can install Easy Debian packages. Does not mean I wouldn't like more official apps but the situation isn't any better on WP, they sit and pray with their fingers crossed that the latest greatest app is coming to their platform too and it often doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1200182)

I wasn't thinking about WP, I was thinking in general terms. The ability to multitask several programs isn't a good measure for a smartphone OS. Multitasking is almost irrelevant, secondary at best.

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True multitasking may be irrelevant, but I feel I never can predict precisely what the Lumia will do when I switch apps (will the app remember the exact position and state where I left it? usually it does not) or push the back button (will it go back one step in the app, or will it kill the app?)

This is frustrating and gives a bad user experience.

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1200329)

I wasn't thinking about WP, I was thinking in general terms. The ability to multitask several programs isn't a good measure for a smartphone OS. Multitasking is almost irrelevant, secondary at best.

I agree it's by no means the main reason to fault any OS but I don't think that choosing multitasking over app count is unimaginable or dishonest at all.

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1200147)

Total amount of apps available is the cake. Being able to load several at any given time is the icing.

Actually, having a huge number of apps is irrelevant. The cake is having the key applications available. The almost as important factor is being able to use them in a functional practical environment. I have that already with the N900. Meggo too. Tons more apps is the icing. ;)

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With Nokia on a patent crusade maybe the stocks will rise a bit? Some fresh money for Nokia is sure to come out of this.

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1201001)

With Nokia on a patent crusade maybe the stocks will rise a bit? Some fresh money for Nokia is sure to come out of this.

Nokia has become a low life patent troll.
Suing everyone from left and right and on all continents.

Long gone are the times when Nokia declared they use patents only defensic way.

I hope MS+Nokia will be ordered to open their agreements to harm OSS; http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...11208101818692

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Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1201036)

When did Nokia sue anyone???

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Here's some recent and INTERNATIONAL perspective on Nokia's outlook, for the people that keep claiming it's all the Americans' fault:
http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/noki...amsung-4857293

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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1201063)

When did Nokia sue anyone???

Well, they filed against Apple directly. However now Sisvel and MOSAID have Nokia's patents who go after others.

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Sorry if this has already been posted. I had not seen it:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...s-ceo-and.html

Just a quick quote:

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The facts are that Nokia smartphone unit sales had grown 7 out of 8 past quarters and declined one quarter, exactly the same as Apple's iPhone and the Samsung smartphones. The Nokia smartphone unit had been profitable every single quarter and its profitability was increasing strongly by the time Elop took charge.

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Great, seems like the new chairman is all for eflop!

"Siilasmaa says he is convinced that Nokia has the right team, the correct strategy and increasingly better products, which will steer the company into recovery.

He professes pride at becoming Nokia’s next chairman and says he plans to uphold the company’s chosen strategy.

“My goal is to support the company’s leadership. Nokia’s company culture will be drawn from Finnishness in the future, as well,” Siilasmaa says.

He notes also that, since the arrival of CEO Stephen Elop in autumn 2010, the company culture has changed in significant ways.

According to Siilasmaa, he sees no need for further changes in the company as it is already in the middle of a transition process.

“In spite of all challenges, the company has a real fighting spirit. The employees are proud of the company and of its new products,” he says.

Siilasmaa spoke to journalists at a press conference prior to Nokia’s annual general meeting, which started at 2pm at Helsinki’s Exhibition and Convention Centre."

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Trying to nail jello to a tree:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17180428

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If only this happened last year as outlined in this article:

Essentially firing elop, the board, some people high up in Nokia, re instating meego as the main OS and centralising Nokia

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...ws-phone-meego

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Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1201303)

If only this happened last year as outlined in this article:

Nokia Plan B was just a hoax all along

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Its time to buy NOKIA stock. In 2 years, 10-12

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1201331)

Nokia Plan B was just a hoax all along

My key words being "if only this happened"

I'll admit though i never realised it was a hoax when i first read about it ages ago

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What I'm looking for is what nokia will do to compete with this?

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=13477

Is it the:
Lumia 900
perview 808
or do nokia has a high-end phone ready in the next6 month?

Im still a fan of nokia stock, just not their last few devices ;)

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1194580)

... Dont blame WP for NOKIA losses. Its all Symbian.

If that would be true, the stock numbers would have been
bad even in times when there was no WP/Elop and only Symbian
which is not true for e.g. April 2008.

The drop in July/August 2008 seen here
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=N...rce=undefined;
is a clear indication that Apple iPhone 3G (released July 2008
http://www.crn.com/slide-shows/chann...08.htm?pgno=10 )
grabbed Nokia by it's *****.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1194580)

But dont blame WP. WP gave them cash and a sense of direction. Symbian and Meego burned cash and were destined to perish

Reality:
"...Market share for Windows Phone has dropped in recent months, according to market watchers. Microsoft hasn’t shared publicly the total number of Windows Phones sold to date. One of my inside contacts said that number is around 3.5 million handsets, which, if true, is definitely nothing to write home about.
..."
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...-quarter/12395

For sure MS would announce the numbers if they were something
to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1201381)

That would be at 1:45pm Eastern Standard Time today. Right around my coffee time. Thanks for sharing that. (Although in fairness this should have been in the competitors area. But, since it is likely to have an effect on Nokia's stock price I guess it is OK ;))