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zymo 2011-05-19 10:04

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
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Originally Posted by edbanger (Post 1009762)
Ok, I'm not totally awake yet, so please correct me if my logic is off, but if i take the word clock from the n900 screen, it's 38 pixels wide. This means it fits 12.6315789 times on a 480px screen.

When i then measure the width of the n950 screen on the screencap, and take the black borders in account, i get something like 1120px wide, and 76px for the word Clock, meaning that it would fit 14.73 times on that screen.

Multiplying 38px with 14.7368421 gives me 560px, so I'm leaning more to qHD, and thus 960*540.

I count 479px for the N900 and

1221px for the n9!??!

And here is a close up of the V

Brock 2011-05-19 10:08

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
if someone want to watch the teaser again, here it isnt removed yet

http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/60...Advertisement/

remembering the first teaser for the N9?
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1515/
(the button/Logo on the left side of the keyboard is missing in the new teaser)


Edit

found the actual teaser back at youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Tiua4BNQo

Edit2

i have downloaded it now in 1080p... if someone wants it, just tell it, i can send you a link for the download :)

NOMOS 2011-05-19 10:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
So I did some work in Photoshop just now, and in my largest close up possible the ratio between the width of the V and the full width of the screen, including bezel is ~ 1:80. So, I don't quite see how this is 720 p yet unless that V is 9 pixels wide at least.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9...10519at121.png

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chemist 2011-05-19 10:52

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
another if the nokia removes it again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qLdUa9f4Uw
to have the barbara streisand with me...

sjgadsby 2011-05-19 10:57

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1009708)
I'm not fussed about the political fighting over whether it's "real" meego or not.

I should think that if Nokia is announcing a device at the MeeGo Conference, the software on that device is officially MeeGo. I expect Intel would go through the roof otherwise.

So, it may be that the next Nokia device runs "a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers and an exception granted by the MeeGo TSB", but if so, that official exception means the software stack has been accepted and stamped as officially MeeGo. There will still be debates over the software's pedigree, sure, but it'll have its papers.

Faustino 2011-05-19 11:13

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
The meltdowns on this forum will be amusing if it actually turns out to be Anna..

I've played with the N8 and the phone i saw the other day was much quicker.. there's no way it could be Symbian.. right?

godofwar424 2011-05-19 11:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1009866)
I should think that if Nokia is announcing a device at the MeeGo Conference, the software on that device is officially MeeGo. I expect Intel would go through the roof otherwise.

So, it may be that the next Nokia device runs "a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers and an exception granted by the MeeGo TSB", but if so, that official exception means the software stack has been accepted and stamped as officially MeeGo. There will still be debates over the software's pedigree, sure, but it'll have its papers.

The multitasking was WAAAYY to Maemo like to be Symbian.

The only similarity is that it uses the same Icons as Symbian Anna.

Symbian Anna has already been demoed and its NOTHING like this. This is a completely different OS. You can tell by the way the interface works in that video :)

__-_-_-__ 2011-05-19 11:25

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
it disappoints me a lot...
-no oled display
-no fm transmitter
-no infrared
-only 5MP camera
-no 1080p recording
-only 512mb ram
-no dual-core cpu
-no 4G

sounds like a different E7 edition... E7 has 8Mp camera vs 5MP, amoled display vs TFT.
N9 has 64gb internal memory vs 32gb. it has a micro sdhc slot and a 480X800 screen vs 360X640 E7.
yeah really big differences.... -.-"
imo N9 it will be windows mobile :(

generationally 2011-05-19 11:29

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1009866)
I should think that if Nokia is announcing a device at the MeeGo Conference, the software on that device is officially MeeGo. I expect Intel would go through the roof otherwise.

So, it may be that the next Nokia device runs "a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers and an exception granted by the MeeGo TSB", but if so, that official exception means the software stack has been accepted and stamped as officially MeeGo. There will still be debates over the software's pedigree, sure, but it'll have its papers.

You have a good point. Intel and the whole MeeGo ecosystem cannot afford to have devices that are 'sort of MeeGo compatible'. So because of that I don't think that there will be any Nokia device running 'a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers' announced at the MeeGo conference.

Not a commercial one and and not one for developers. Those announcements will have to happen somewhere else unless of course those devices are announced with vanilla MeeGo and not with Harmattan (which I very much doubt). So I don't have high hopes of seeing any new Nokia devices at the conference despite the timing of the leaked video and FCC documents :( Maybe after the conference?

tissot 2011-05-19 11:30

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Hrm we don't know the specs, we haven't maybe even seen the consumer device yet and it got 12mpx camera like the picture shows...

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 11:31

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009881)
it disappoints me a lot...
-no oled display
-no fm transmitter
-no infrared
-only 5MP camera
-no 1080p recording
-only 512mb ram
-no dual-core cpu
-no 4G

sounds like a different E7 edition... E7 has 8Mp camera vs 5MP, amoled display vs TFT.
N9 has 64gb internal memory vs 32gb. it has a micro sdhc slot and a 480X800 screen vs 360X640 E7.
yeah really big differences.... -.-"
imo N9 it will be windows mobile :(

??? what pills are you taking?
I've fixed that for you...
- Clear Black Display
- we don't know yet
- we don't know yet - but probably not..
- 12MP
- 720p, 30fps recording
- we don't know yet
- we don't know yet, but probably not
- hexaband is not enough?
- maybe 1280x720
- there is no windows mobile anymore, there is windows phone, and no, it is MeeGo/Harmattan

EIPI 2011-05-19 11:33

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1009866)
I should think that if Nokia is announcing a device at the MeeGo Conference, the software on that device is officially MeeGo. I expect Intel would go through the roof otherwise.

So, it may be that the next Nokia device runs "a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers and an exception granted by the MeeGo TSB", but if so, that official exception means the software stack has been accepted and stamped as officially MeeGo. There will still be debates over the software's pedigree, sure, but it'll have its papers.

So IF the new device is announced next week in SF AND is given out to the MeeGoConf attendees, I am of the opinion that it will have MeeGo 1.2 installed for conference attendees. I believe the devel and consumer devices are the same, and that the devel devices will be allowed to flow between DRM and non-DRM worlds, while consumer devices will not (via some IMEI magic).

Brock 2011-05-19 11:37

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009881)
it disappoints me a lot...
-no oled display
-no fm transmitter
-no infrared
-only 5MP camera
-no 1080p recording
-only 512mb ram
-no dual-core cpu
-no 4G

sounds like a different E7 edition... E7 has 8Mp camera vs 5MP, amoled display vs TFT.
N9 has 64gb internal memory vs 32gb. it has a micro sdhc slot and a 480X800 screen vs 360X640 E7.
yeah really big differences.... -.-"
imo N9 it will be windows mobile :(

lol

if you have your informations from this source (http://www.maemo.ch/n9-1280720-bilds...uflosung/1958/) thats from august 2010... so very old news...

tissot 2011-05-19 11:43

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1009892)
lol

if you have your informations from this source (http://www.maemo.ch/n9-1280720-bilds...uflosung/1958/) thats from august 2010... so very old news...

And even if it would be new it's a rumor!
Only specs that got some weight behind it are 1200mah battery(from FCC), ~4" screen, 12mpx AF camera, 4 row keyboard(from the teaser video).

Brock 2011-05-19 11:45

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009887)
- there is no windows mobile anymore, there is windows phone, and no, it is MeeGo/Harmattan

let me correct you...
here are the sales of both systems for the 1st quarter 2011:
win mobile: 2 million
win phone 7: 1.6 million
total: 3.6 million

very poor... :D

source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/g...in-q1-consume/

Brock 2011-05-19 11:47

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1009895)
And even if it would be new it's a rumor!
Only specs that got some weight behind it are 1200mah battery(from FFC), ~4" screen, 12mpx AF camera, 4 row keyboard(from the teaser video).

yes

and dont forget the best about it

meego by nokia :D

onethreealpha 2011-05-19 11:47

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1009866)
I should think that if Nokia is announcing a device at the MeeGo Conference, the software on that device is officially MeeGo. I expect Intel would go through the roof otherwise.

So, it may be that the next Nokia device runs "a revised Harmattan with MeeGo compatibility layers and an exception granted by the MeeGo TSB", but if so, that official exception means the software stack has been accepted and stamped as officially MeeGo. There will still be debates over the software's pedigree, sure, but it'll have its papers.

I guess I can look at it both ways:
As a consumer looking for my next device, I can step away from the political and philosophical arguments and look purely from a perspective of "does it give me what i want?" and "what has the Meego Project got to offer me in the way of a handset NOW?" Being fortunate enough to be able to afford Harmattan now and Meego later if it produces a suitable device for my needs/wants.

As a user (and supporter) of F/OSS I can see yet another corporation trying to leverage an open source design to increase their own profit margins (albeit giving back to the hand that feeds it in a pretty big way too), and happy to label something that isn't quite "kosher" in the eyes of many, as Meego.

The arguments are valid and compliance is as simple as measuring against a set of defined benchmarks, and yet this also fails to recognise the organic nature of today's open source community and the myriad different ways in which clever and innovative people can implement systems based on a common kernel; Linux

To me, there is a whiff of similarity to the many arguments and expressions of anger that were going around at the time the original (sic) Linux kernel was developed and released. Unix/Minix people were making a lot of noise about bastardisation and Linux not being "real". The likes of BeOS and SCO were making noises on the corporate front.

We need to remember that whilst individuals may work on Meego (and F/OSS projects) with the most utopian and altruistic motives, the big companies that are supporting them are doing so with a vested commercial interest - making more money than the other guys.

It's not a big leap to see Nokia going further up the tree and marketing their device as Linux with Meego compatibility. Enough to placate the likes of Intel and still get a foot in the door at the Meego conference (and ride the wave)

just my .02:)

sorry, drifted a bit there. I blame it on the glass of wine with dinner.

daperl 2011-05-19 11:57

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009881)
-no dual-core cpu

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009887)
- we don't know yet, but probably not

:( Very :(

Brock 2011-05-19 12:03

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1009911)
:( Very :(

i still hope it will have ST-E U8500 :)

EvilSpeaks 2011-05-19 12:03

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I see the screen resolution topic of this phone i.e. is it 1280x720 or not has made it to "mynokiablog"

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/19/ru...-367ppiretina/

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 12:13

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1009897)
let me correct you...
here are the sales of both systems for the 1st quarter 2011:
win mobile: 2 million
win phone 7: 1.6 million
total: 3.6 million

very poor... :D

source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/g...in-q1-consume/

:D very poor indeed.
okay... windows mobile won't be installed on new devices...

zymo 2011-05-19 12:18

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009887)
??? what pills are you taking?
I've fixed that for you...
- Clear Black Display
- we don't know yet
- we don't know yet - but probably not..
- 12MP
- 720p, 30fps recording
......

seems to indicate that we won’t see a A9 CPU in the N-whatever

Brock 2011-05-19 12:19

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilSpeaks (Post 1009920)
I see the screen resolution topic of this phone i.e. is it 1280x720 or not has made it to "mynokiablog"

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/19/ru...-367ppiretina/

i have send the link of the toshiba article to a german it news site (heise.de) and they told me that one of their journalists are at the SID and will try to find more information about it. Now i have informed them about the rumor at mynokiablog, maybe they can find out more there... i hope they will inform me asap...

tissot 2011-05-19 12:21

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1009918)
i still hope it will have ST-E U8500 :)

As long as we talk about RM-680 it's mailing lists are still, just like 7 months ago controlled by TI and Nokia workers. So the OMAP36xx still looks the most likely candidate imo, unfortunately.
Same goes for lankku if that's the device meant for public.

__-_-_-__ 2011-05-19 12:22

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009887)
??? what pills are you taking?
I've fixed that for you...
- Clear Black Display
- we don't know yet
- we don't know yet - but probably not..
- 12MP
- 720p, 30fps recording
- we don't know yet
- we don't know yet, but probably not
- hexaband is not enough?
- maybe 1280x720
- there is no windows mobile anymore, there is windows phone, and no, it is MeeGo/Harmattan

- hexaband is not enough? nope
so... an E7 with micro sdhc card slot, better screen and better camera?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1009932)
seems to indicate that we won’t see a A9 CPU in the N-whatever

nokia has a tradition to always use the same cpu's for several phones for a long time. sometimes they even use dual cpu's.

EvilSpeaks 2011-05-19 12:24

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1009934)
i have send the link of the toshiba article to a german it news site (heise.de) and they told me that one of their journalists are at the SID and will try to find more information about it. Now i have informed them about the rumor at mynokiablog, maybe they can find out more there... i hope they will inform me asap...

Please let us (Community)know ASAP if you get any information!!!
Thanks

tissot 2011-05-19 12:25

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009942)
- hexaband is not enough? nope
so... an E7 with micro sdhc card slot, better screen and better camera?

plus better CPU
Well iphone 4 is just a Nokia 1100 with better screen, SOC and better camera. :D

Brock 2011-05-19 12:31

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilSpeaks (Post 1009945)
Please let us (Community)know ASAP if you get any information!!!
Thanks

thats for sure :)

zehjotkah 2011-05-19 12:31

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilSpeaks (Post 1009920)
I see the screen resolution topic of this phone i.e. is it 1280x720 or not has made it to "mynokiablog"

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/19/ru...-367ppiretina/

If they would only write my nickname with a minor "z" as in zehjotkah... Not Zehjotkah..
xD Yes! That's important! Who cares about the screen resolution?!
BTW: still no evidence...

Helmuth 2011-05-19 12:33

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009942)
so... an E7 with micro sdhc card slot, better screen and better camera?

And a different CPU, GPU platform, different casing... but only if your talking about hardware. In my opinion the OS and Software does REALLY matter. And this makes the difference.

If it would only be about Hardware and stuff I had already bought a Windows, Android or a Fruit-Phone from Apple.

But I wan't to really use the Device instead of having only some penis length comparison Device to impress clueless dudes...

Helmuth 2011-05-19 12:36

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1009954)
If they would only write my nickname with a minor "z" as in zehjotkah... Not Zehjotkah..

Perhaps it's only because it is at the beginning of a sentence... ;)

jakiman 2011-05-19 12:38

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009942)
so... an E7 with micro sdhc card slot, better screen and better camera?

nokia has a tradition to always use the same cpu's for several phones for a long time. sometimes they even use dual cpu's.

Umm... No... It's more like E7 with better everything including OS.
Also, N900 used a CPU which was never used by any other Nokia. (well, afaik)
That was back in 2009 and it is still holding up quite well actually.
So I really hope N9 @ 2011 will have something much better. (OMAP4?)
(coz my ARM Cortex A8 CPU in my N900 runs at 1.1Ghz already)

@zehjotkah - Can I ask a few questions? (you can answer only those that you can/want to :p)

1. Will it support CJK hw keyboard input like the N900 using MSCIM?
2. Will it be able to play xvid avi files? What about h264 high profile 720p MKV files? I hate re-encoding..
3. What web browser will it have by default? Can MicroB be used on N9? (I really love its virtual mouse pointer)
4. Stereo speakers like N900?
5. Does it have xterminal with root access out of the box?
6. Does it have a physical camera shutter button?

PMaff 2011-05-19 12:38

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1009410)
I totally understand. When I had to find a N900 replacement, I'd even buy the N900 again if I could find/afford it.

?
amazon.de has it.
http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-N900-Smar.../ref=de_a_smtd
For £100 it won't be possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1009410)
and so far I haven't judged it (The Blade) to be significantly better on ANY point, except price where it rocks. Oh, wait, it's also slimmer.

I am happy that the N900 is not that slim.
;-)

daperl 2011-05-19 12:40

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1009918)
i still hope it will have ST-E U8500 :)

It's weird, because all I wanted was:

n900 + OMAP4 + compass - thickness

Sure, high res viewing and recording are nice, but it's about mobile power, and doing things that only a mobile device can do. It's not all about multi-media consumption.

NvyUs 2011-05-19 12:45

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
this is all getting funny now :D:D:D:D
someonr just give a date then we can all go home till then

tissot 2011-05-19 12:57

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1009967)
this is all getting funny now :D:D:D:D
someonr just give a date then we can all go home till then

There's nothing funny about this! Fun has ended long time ago.
It has been 14 months when the RM-680 first came up in a bug list. I'm being physically hurt by Nokia at this point. :D

Brock 2011-05-19 13:00

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1009982)
There's nothing funny about this! Fun has ended long time ago.
It has been 14 months when the RM-680 first came up in a bug list. I'm being physically hurt by Nokia at this point. :D

the longer i wait for my new baby the more happy i am the day it arrives :)

daperl 2011-05-19 13:02

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1009967)
this is all getting funny now :D:D:D:D
someonr just give a date then we can all go home till then

Relax, enjoy the ride. zman and others are leaking information; it's a treasure hunt.

NvyUs 2011-05-19 13:04

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
I've had it confirmed by 3 people now there is two devices 2 Nokians and 1 who works close with Nokia,
zehjotkah as been saying this too even before the leak for last couple weeks, but people are still ignoring it and swear differently, but its I and zehjotkah who will laugh last :D:D:D:D:D:D

marrat 2011-05-19 13:08

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1009995)
I've had it confirmed by 3 people now there is two devices 2 Nokians and 1 who works close with Nokia,
zehjotkah as been saying this too even before the leak for last couple weeks, but people are still ignoring it and swear differently, but its I and zehjotkah who will laugh last :D:D:D:D:D:D

However I understand the hints of zehjotkah in the way that both "developer" and "consumer" device will have QWERTY. You, however, are claiming, developer device with QWERTY, consumer device without...

Don't care who's right, I just need find a way to get the QWERTY one... :cool:


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