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So that we don't perpetuate this OT pattern, I've started a "general chit-chat" thread here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91936
It can be about speculation, & whether over-arching strategies are correct IYO or not etc.

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So, later today it will be a week since the Jolla is in the possession of some of you. It may not be too long, but I'll ask anyway: does the screen seem strong enough to put the phone down on a table/desk and avoid major scratches?

What inspired this question is the solar panel other half thread that was created yesterday, obviously the phone would need to live like that if you wish to charge it at all with such other half.

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What about the microusb connector, does it seem to hold for the stress when jacking the charger in and out?
I don't want that story again that was on the n900. Two of my n900 broke down on their usb connector. And after checking some of the threads here on TMO, it was not a simple thing to repair at all, so finally I gave that up.
It was the absolutely worst thing about the N900 I think, next to that stupid magnet on the backside that when it fell off caused the microsd card to fail detection. Also happened on both my N900.

I hope nothing of that kind is the story with the Jolla.

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I have had the device normally in my pocket most of the time, altough I have not specifically put keys in the same pocket.
The screen is still like brand new.

(I have treated my N9 similarily for over 2 years, and there's just one slightly visible scratch in the middle of the screen...)

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The Music App, my view after one week

Firstly my most important issue – Sound quality. The Jolla does not disappoint, well at least not to my ears. There is no equaliser or any other sound enhancements such as Dolby headphone. The sound can go to very high levels compared to may music players although there are warnings that you have to click through top get to the high levels. Generally I find the sound warm with good bass. Of course much also depend on headphones and there are none supplied.

Hands free headphones that worked on the N9 will not work on the Jolla. This pin arrangement must be quite different and I suspect now follows the android phone convention,

The Application Usability

The good

With the app minimised there is the ability to pause or skip tracks without having to maximise the app. The gesture need to be quite accurate, especially of the minimized app is in small mode. However once mastered they are very useful.

When the app is maximised and in play queue mode you can advance forward or back by pressing the button or sweeping the artist name and song playing bar.

In the play list view the song playing and forward and back button show at the bottom of the screen. This is also a pulley menu area and there are toggle switches for shuffle and repeat plus a + button to add playing song to play lists

In the all songs view you can long press and add the song to the current play queue or playlist. You can add and arrange your playlists without interrupting the song that is playing.


The not so good

There are no options that you can change in the music player at present.

Album art shows clearly in the minimised view and in the list view for albums artists etc. But when the song is playing there is just the play queue list with no sigh of album art anywhere. The Jolla ambience controls the look and feel of this area

No idea on the home screen that the app is running, would be nice to have buttons on the page in the same manner as per the N9

The bad

In all songs view there are MP4 videos showing in the list! These do not show in the gallery section, in fact the Media and Gallery terms are misleading. I would expect video to be in media not gallery. At present we have the worst of both worlds

To make matters worse any video media will not play in the media app. This means that in “shuffle all” mode the music will stop.

In all list songs show according to artist name rather than song name. Not very helpful as there is also no search function within music or the phone in general.

Album view again lists by artist name and not album name. Not very useful at all.

Then the application shows hours and minutes of media , why not stick to convention and have the number of albums and songs? This is confusing and this information adds nothing. Within an album view or all songs view the time makes sense but not elsewhere.

A glaring issue is Albums with the same name. This is best explained by the following example:-

I have an album by the group called the Jam. However if I view the songs in this album I get a load of songs by other artists that have an album called greatest hits. Then in Album view the album Greatest Hits is listed under the artist “Multiple Artists” There is no album listed Greatest Hits by The Jam.

The ugly

Now for the worst part of the UI. This is no way to quick scroll. That means if like me you have 200 plus albums it is a mare to scroll to what you want. Getting back to the top is easier if you gesture back to the Media home screen and then back to the view you want. Tedious and terrible

If I have a track playing and go to the Media home screen and use the top pulley menu (there is one at the bottom too) pulling down shows the artist and track playing. Selecting this from the pulley menus cause the app to hang for a while and sometime just close down/crash with an associated error message.


Summary

I would consider the Media App to be essentially work in progress with major issues.

Sent the key points to care@jolla.com

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n9's screen does not like cold weather (stops refreshing itself), is it different with jolla screen? (just put the phone outside for 10 mins n the Finnish winter and test the screen.Mind that touch sensor still works!) ;)

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Ok, sir.
I guess you have never worked with big scale usability ;)

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Well, there are 2 standards, not sure which one was first, but they both do the job. You can buy an adapter so that you don't have to throw away your headphones. It's basically an LU2 adapter cable for iphone/android -> nokia, the reverse I wouldn't know :-)

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The mic and ground pins are just swapped, so one adaptor will work "both ways".
I'm glad that the pins have changed from the N9 - means I can throw away my stupid adaptor and buy any headphone I want (I quite like the Coloud Pops, which are obviously iPhone/Android/Lumia-wired only). No need to either have something stupid dangling from my headphone jack or search out something "Nokia compatible" (actually I think even the new Ashas have fallen in line now, so headsets will soon be impossible to find Old-Nokia-wired).

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Never noticed this with my n9. Maybe I have kept it well protected from the cold :)

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Amazon Kindle works well BTW and also works in landscape.

Also the Jolla rotates on all four side rather than the two of the N9

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Neither did I, and I remember taking it to very low temperatures, albeit I haven't left it outside on purpose. The phone does come with operating temperatures limits though.

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FWIW, posted interest in the swype forum about getting something for the Jolla: http://forum.swype.com/showthread.ph...ilfish&p=48480

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I'll be adding my name there as well

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got my support

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Has anyone found a way to get sound notification working with Android Whatsapp client ?

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It's not? :eek: That's kinda essential for me. It's as if incoming calls made no sound.
(I use my phone almost exclusively to communicate via whatsapp, almost never to make calls. )

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Then I guess this will fit all your needs: http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/asha501/

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(Half OT): Did anyone tried this or any else Exchange to Card/Caldav wrapper in case that you want to have OwnCloud with the actual Jolla features for syncing: https://github.com/dupondje/PHP-Push-2

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Funny ;) I ordered the Jolla in hopes of finally replacing my n900, including a HWKB (I hope) and working Whatsapp. We'll see how that works out :D

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The problem appears when i use the maps (i like walking) in foreign city in cold weather(zero or below ).Last Christmas i was in Vienna and it was very annoying when display stopped refreshing - maps are useless without phone's display ;)

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Fair enough - it's a good test then. Jolla's Guide says "Avoid extreme temperatures.", which isn't too conclusive. People living in North Finland may have a slightly different idea than people living in Cyprus about what extreme is and isn't. Would be nice for Jolla to clarify :-)

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It works for me, but sound is not very loud. Notification led or vibration alarm does not work.

Have you checked that notification sound is enabled in whatsapp settings?

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I just was wondering if you can make floating resizable windows, like on a desktop, with sailfish. Also, does a stylus or pen work well with this device? Probably too early but, are there pen or writing recognition apps available?

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The windows are not resizable and are one set size when ther are four or less open:-
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ps9d21ef7e.png
From 4-9 they go to this
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psa789a404.png

Once you have more than 9 open they do not show unless you go to cancel them by long press:-
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psc3848b3e.png

iPad styluses work fine and the screen works through a waterproof bag too.

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I have a pair of coloud pops and the following weird thing happens (n900 means the N900 headset that came with the phone)

Can't make heads or tails. BB10 has autodetect? Or is it something else and Lumias/Pops still have the old Nokia standard?

btw the Nokia standard was the sane one. Wiring the ground (3 cables) to the tiniest pin of the plug is insane, and almost impossible to do by hand.

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Is there a way to lock rotation per application? Lock some apps in portrait and some in landscape?

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check my post on page 90...

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Its not good if the android apps crash, its not good if the Jolla enginneers has to fix Android/Dalvik compabilty related bugs or implement Q/Y/Z functions like camera, gps or whatever support in Android layer.

Reason I say that is: This time is needed for native apps, bugfixes in native OS and so on.

Just my opinionjust to clarify my last post.

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Good point! Even if I should be blamed for starting that discussion.

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There's now a thread for such diversions, see discussion in there:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91915&page=5

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I use memotoo.com (European based (France), which was a must for me back then, as well as now). Worked fine on my N95 and on N9 using SyncML. Given the availability of Buteo on Jolla, my guess is that it will work, albeit with a bit of hacking until Jolla gets a GUI for the configuration.

Memotoo supports the *DAVs as well, which is what I use in Kalendar on the desktop. The free variant is for trial-purposes only (no SSL for example) but the €12/year I've been paying for the service the last 5/6 years were worth it, imo.

There are similar services no doubt, but I'm content enough not to feel the need to shop around.

I've no experience with Exchange on my devices. Microsoft can eat my shorts. (Disclaimer: I work as C#-dev at a MS-centric company :eek:)

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I noticed too that the touchscreen is maybe a bit more sensitive than in N9; you cannot quite use it with nailtip like you can some Lumia devices but only very slight touch is required to register on the device.

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Holy Dooley, I'd never have picked that given the usual content of your posts. :D

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That's because you judging people from the post and people also judging phones and OS they never used. The user experience can be top notch for some or useless for some. Thats the cool thing!

If we all meet in real life there would be a few cool sup-rices :D

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I would say that it's normal and expected behavior. All devices that I was using during the winter time in the open had some slowdowns in refresh rate.

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Wow, that is weird. I have an old pair and a new Nokia-branded pair in cyan to match my N9. Both pairs work on N9 with the adaptor, but the old pair can be made to work just as headphones by holding/taping down the mic button (makes sense electrically). Letting go of the button after the N9 has detected headphones muffles/filters the audio.
The new pair though can't be tricked, and are noisy, as you have in your test. Which is weird and implies some additional electronics is going on inside the mic/button widget.
Anyway, hopefully they "just work" on Jolla. I'll report back.

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I have seen several videos of sailfish and lots of apps and they have three indicators top left of the screen. I feel the usability is not the best since that corner is the hardest to reach with one hand. Whats your thought that have held the device?

Like in this awsome Epic CusteSpotify video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P86L0XaTM8w

My suggestin would be that if you started the swip in the middle of screen you swipe within app and if you start at the side of the screen you ship the OS. Much more fluid. If jolla read this: please add this as standard for your app guidelines.

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dave, you don't need to tap on these dots ever

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You dont have to press those dots you can use gestures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n-Ca1o33t4