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Hence the "Sounds to me part" after the quote.
Sorry i forgot to put the legal disclaimer underneath :)

But nothing which says SIP video isnt possible either.. just that a VOIP account is required.

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well, yes, could be sip, jingle, skype, whatever... they don't say. - they only say that normal (non-voip) video calls won't work.

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The problem is that no - it doesn't work well. There's a problem with developing / releasing qt software, because garage compiles apps for a different version and users cannot easily test them / they cannot be moved to proper repositories. That means basically no new qt apps until 1.2 is released. (unless you want to have fun setting up old scratchbox, but what's the point - 1.2 is coming...)

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Haha dont worry dude :) Tell him PR 1.2 will come out around the time IPad can multi-task :D it will give you time till fall:rolleyes:

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Twitter-Tweeting-Ephemeral-Fleeting-FlügenWeb-Späcecode-TwitZöne-*** Möde-Check Ze Tweets-Check Ze Tweets-Check Ze Tweets! Und also e-mail! 1.2

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Well I was really embarrassed the other day when my friend whips off a good ol' N73 and said he wanted to finish off his remaining credits on it (for some stupid credit plan of the serviceprovider) and he tries makin a video call and frankly, i dint realise the feature wasn't there. I had a feelin Nokia wouldnt have done such a thing (Giving the front cam and all.... Anyone would think so). However I made him believe his phones gone nuts.... Now i feel soooo stupid. I just hope nokia does something about this.I know it isnt a very useful thing (rarely used by anyone) but frankly, it would just make the n900 haters shut their mouths rather than pinpoint, u dont have this or that. And well, it just popped to my mindthat, can someone try for, like makin some plugins that will make IRC / IM with voice and webcam enabled??? Would be AWESOME :)

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The E71, E66 & E63 got updates today so ours should be on the way

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techinically it was friday but...i updated my e63 today

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yea well our update will be released after apple releases their iphone 4g lol

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nice one! :))

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BTW I don't even have an n900 and i'm anticipating this firmware with bated breath

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I love that comment. Lmao

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I have waited for 3 weeks. So freaking tired now

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I think imma just use my nokia e70 til the update comes out lol

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I think everyone here ranting and raving about the next firmware update need to look deeper into what Nokia are upto, may i suggest to everyone reading this thread that they have a look at the one i started and read ALL the peoples comments there and only then you people might just realise a few things.
It looks like there is NO firmware update for Maemo as Nokia are working on a new platform/os for the N900 which will probably be the next "update" the N900 will get. It seems apparent that Maemo is being discontinued and THAT is the very reason the Maemo update everyone is ranting on about is probably never going to come. If only people would explore this community much more than they appear to do instead of jumping on the the wording of a thread that means everything about a future update they then will learn just what is happening in the world of Nokia.

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just a thought.... if they're not releasing this 1.2 update, then why would Nokia bother releasing the 1.2 SDK?

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Yes i know what your saying and for me also its very confusing but if you read these links you will be a lot wiser... please do and let me know ok.....

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...or_my_N900_.3F


also read the thread i started

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49651

maybe then you might understand more as to what is actually going on with the N900.

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@abill_uk


I read that thread of yours before and after crashdamage pointed you to the wiki, I thought things would be clearer for you. But, you seem to have misinterpreted it somewhat.

PR 1.2 will come. There's no need to assume otherwise or proclaim so.

There is a talk of PR 1.3 also which was mentioned by one of the Nokians.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=561617&postcount=4

The applications are now being built against the new PR1.2 SDK clearly to get them ready for the upcoming PR1.2 update.

What the wiki DID NOT say is that a proper release of Meego will come(definitely) to the N900. It may or may not, but there has been no official word either confirming it or denying it.

An extract from the wiki in reference to


Please take a better look at the wiki before making such claims. Otherwise such posts would simply lead to more FUD for newcomers/uninformed people and we'll be back to where we started from :p
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...t=cleaning+fud

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Texrat says Nokia wants the update as much as we do; I believe it.

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In the world we live today its all about money and Nokia dont seem capapable of telling whole truths in any way here, rather they like to play games with people and not call a spade a spade, also if you read what i said
Originally Posted by james174 View Post

just a thought.... if they're not releasing this 1.2 update, then why would Nokia bother releasing the 1.2 SDK?

Yes i know what your saying and for me also its very confusing but if you read these links you will be a lot wiser... please do and let me know ok.....

so untill YOU know just what the heck is going on its going to be a wild guessing game for everyone but the board in Nokia that makes the final decisions.
I can tell you one thing for sure here , the N900 IS without doubt Nokia worst nightmare because people keep jumping on the bandwagon and offering better and better and untill the problem with developers are well and truly sorted out this is going to happen. So IF Nokia decide to end Maemo or they dont what REALLY matters is end user satisfaction because right now there is probably 75% of N900 purchasers either totally peed off or have sold there device already. Looks soooo good for Nokia aye !.
All anyone wants is something that seems impossible to obtain... THE TRUTH.

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That was a very interesting read, brought to light many things I was unaware of, so thanks for that.
Now reading through I saw 2 sections which refer to 1.2 being a reality. They are:-

Why should I report bugs for Maemo 5, everything is marked as WONTFIX or will be fixed in Harmattan ?
[edit] Is Nokia still working on bugs fixing for Maemo 5 ?

Since its launch date on November 22, 2009, Maemo 5 (official platform and applications) has received 552 patches (as of April 5, 2010)

Upcoming release : PR 1.2
Source : http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/

What are the officially-confirmed major feature in future Maemo 5 release ?

- PR1.2

1. QT 4.6
Source : [Confirmed by Qgil, Trolltech, etc.]
2. Live wallpaper
Source : Bug 3910
3. Customizable single menu, no more "More",,
Source : Bug 5349

- PR1.3
1. QT Mobility

Source : Urho Konttori (Nokia)

Now the last bit refers to Urho Konttori saying QT Mobility will be available in PR 1.3!!??!!
Urho Konttori is the project manager for Freemantle applications at Nokia.

Now if hes already talking about PR 1.3, and again being the app project manager, does this not convince you that 1.2 is going to be a reality?

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75% is too high even for a guesstimate :p

Yes, the TRUTH will come later. Whether its good or bad only time will tell. Lets not get ahead of ourselves on that one.

and Abill its not about playing games with people. Have a look at this - http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re..._realistic_.21

Its understandable and acceptable that certain topics are out of public domain for now. That's how businesses work all over.

That is why I appreciate Nokia officials at least having a presence in the community.

@james174
Have a look here for details of the upcoming PR1.2 :)
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2

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James thanks for reading that as it is very confusing and somewhat derogative in some parts, my guess is Nokia have no choice but to carry on with this untill they sort out there outsources in the development world they use.
I would like to think that whatever happens we will end up with Nokia's so called "flagship" in the true sense because i am sad to read that people have already sold there device because of all the uncertainty surrounding it when all it would have took was a clear statement from Nokia as to what IS happening with the N900.
I want to be very wrong in my thoughts personally and only time will tell.
The main problem with the N900 is it lacks the basic functions of a mobile that everyone is already accustomed too and people in the world today get let down very easily it appears and really do give it some with wild accusations etc ha well i live in hope James as i know you also do that we all end up with the basic functions we are all used too and live with in a mobile whatever lol.
Its kinda like fish and chips but someone forgot to put the chips in with the fish hmmmmm lol, thanks anyhow and i guess we have no choice but to wait because one thing for sure i am no way selling my N900 after paying £500 PLUS £78 import fee's as i bought it from ebay via the states.
I will for now change my name to "confused" and go get a headache pill lol.

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[QUOTE=un-named_user;605032]75% is too high even for a guesstimate :p

Yes, the TRUTH will come later. Whether its good or bad only time will tell. Lets not get ahead of ourselves on that one.

and Abill its not about playing games with people. Have a look at this - http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re..._realistic_.21

Its understandable and acceptable that certain topics are out of public domain for now. That's how businesses work all over.

That is why I appreciate Nokia officials at least having a presence in the community.

Well at least between you , james and myself we are at least having a real REAL down to earth SENSIBLE debate about the future and the expectations of the next update, i will for sure read all the links you post as its good reading for sure ! may i say thankyou for your sensible discussion and maybe we can all have a pint together when we have got this N900 sorted out ha ha.

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http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re..._realistic_.21

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2[/QUOTE]

These links i have already read through before and the question i keep asking myself is , why is Nokia taking sooo long to implement at least some of these for now because for some people they are a must, ie:ussd is probably the most urgent throughout the world.
Nokia are not exactly what i would call a peoples company as they hide far too much and are too slow at most things it seems.
Why are they waiting now nearly 2 whole months since the last minor update to implement the most important issues at least mearly for customer satisfaction than anything else ! because right now they are rather peeing more people off then ever before with this one i have to say.

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Thats the spirit! Not to give up.
When I first came to the site, all I saw through the posts were people becoming so frustrated / angry / heartbroken cause answers were not appearing.
But looking between the lines, following little snippits of possible facts, double checking statements and looking for proof, things started giving me hope, and made sense. I started shrugging off the negativity as I too was ready to sell up and move on. I completely understand why you wrote that statement. Its easy to overlook the obvious, everyone does it, we're all confused. If Nokia just gave an official statement of what was coming up in the coming days/weeks/months no-one would have to play the guessing game. So dont kick yourself, just accept Nokia does things in ways no-one understands, but as a team.... We'll suss it. We always do ;)

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Yes, but only because they want to kill overclock: they can't even try to sell us a new model in less than 1 year if n900 oc works nice 800-1000 mhz, yeeees, with shorted lifetime... of two years... that lifetime is more than the one they want: New N9, with a xxxxmhz is out, before end of 2010, but we have n900 with the same (even more) xxxxmhz.
Yeah, "don't overclock, else WE'LL not be able to fry your n900 launching N9"

(they CAN stop oc, remember, proprietary drivers LOOKING FOR OC UNITS COULD "CRASH" WHENEVER THEY WANT)

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I absolutely agree with you here 1000% and i CAN confirm i talk sense in that direction because i was a pcb cad design engineer and only too aware of the damage caused by heat.. look at my reply on the Why does Nokia give us such a low default 600MHz? topic ha... anyhow never a truer word said there !
If these guys only knew they are dealing with a multi layer pcb when overclocking they would think twice before frying there device lol.

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So then we're NOT agree abill... I mean:
For me, a device lifetime of 1-1.5 years IS enough since I know n900 will not be a Nokia-supported device much more than PR1.2... if even PR1.2 is real.
So I can "safely" overclock... when fried, here we go Android...
But N9 will not have more-power-enough compared to n900OC to make me feel I need it before leaving Nokia.
So our dying overclocked n900's agony will be too much time-long for N9 success.
They need FRY OC UNITS NOW, or just STOP OC CAPABILITIES NOW, else N9 (with MeeGo 1.0 "when MeeGo 1.2" for months, WE KNOW IT) will shrink.

[PS] Sorry again, I'm doing my best when writing english, very hard to explain myself in your mother-language, I can't even choose the right words to say what I want to say

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PR1.2 has been cancelled as the 1 person left in Nokia working on it has been on long term sick, all development is now going to the N910 which will be running Meego and is to be launched at the beginning of June.....or July.....or August.... :)

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Maybe the next firmware will be next week, look on this nokia countdown "nokia connect":):):):)

http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/

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HA HA HA a guy with a sense of humour hehehehehe

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This PR1.2 is becoming a HOAX slowly.

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It will come guys, id rather have a stable PR1.2 than a rushed one.

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If Nokia drop support for our N900, and maybe also Pr 1.2 isn't real, then why should Nokia users keep trusting Nokia and dishing out large amounts of money to buy their products just for it to be absolute in a couple of months?
This is my first Nokia phone in a number of years, if they drop support for it, I'll surely be buying from a different brand, for myself and for the people in my company, so I doubt how much Nokia will benefit. Also i believe that Nokia should keep us updated and well aware on whats happening regarding our phones and updates, rather than leaving us waiting and just speculating.
Another point is how do they expect to compete with Android and iPhone when they're not developing new applications, games, etc. for Maemo? and if they are developing them, still how do they expect to compete if they're moving at such a slow pace? Don't get me wrong, I love my N900, it's just I'm not satisfied with their service, Even messaging them for problems, support etc, they take ages to reply and then just reply telling me that they don't provide support for my location, then why do they sell them here?...

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sorry my 'english', but comes PR1.2 not out before in juni? ...like MeeGO 1.0... is it/they (Maemo5 PR1.2 and MeeGO 1.0) same or samelike or ...is Maemo5 PR1.2 like MeeGO without Moblin?

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By the time Nokia decided to let PR1.2 out, MeeGO will be out on the next device. And PR1.2 might be the last!

I really hope it coming out very soon in this month.

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jake, meego is nothing to do with PR 1.2
Meego will take a long time before it is anywhere near usable.

Just hold and wait, and update will come when it comes......

(Now really that could be the end of this thread maybe?!)

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Yes know that all! ...but I think so when we must (only) wait so long and nothing see... sometuhing cause (???) for/to it must be.

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Where did all the skeptics come from? Anyone thinking PR1.2 is not coming is either delusional or dumb. For crying out loud...even a buglist and manual of PR1.2 was released! It is a confirmed fact, the only question is when. My guess is next week.