Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

LOL I guess mr gerb didn't even look at the link in question. Apple is in free fall. The last 6 months apple has shrinked by 30% while Nokia has increased by 30%. Granted Nokia could only go up from the position they were in, but that doesn't explain apple.

Unless apple doesn't launch something fresh next year instead of yet another infinitesimal upgrade, they are gone. I'm not sure the death of apple will be a good thing for Nokia though. Right now Nokia is nicer than apple, nicer to the wallet and cooler hw. Nokia is much better bolted together, software and hardware, than any android phone. I think android camp has more to gain if apple should die than Nokia have.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

4.21 dollars now :D

I have to link to this article http://msn.fool.com/investing/genera...rd-advant.aspx

It misses the all so obvious. Apple is hardly doing any R&D !!!! For the last 5 years they have only reiterated existing design, and the existing design didn't need any R&D to start with. Apple is a engineering and design bureau, a production and marketing/logistics bureau. But they are no R&D bureau. Nokia is almost opposite. They have failed in everything except production/logistics. They have used way too much money in unfocused R&D. But they are getting better each day. Apple is still surfing the wave from the initial iPhone splash. That wave is loosing momentum fast, and apple will sink like a rock. Maybe in 20 years they can do a new wave when the others have developed enough new fancy technology, but lack the brain power to utilize it properly commercially.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I think apple is smart, milking while it can. And they have been milking the crowd for a while now. But I would never write off their creativity. They always rise to the occasion. They are making a mistake in staying a niche company. They need to expand and license. But that is not their model. That is why I think windows has a good,chance....

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Helsinki ended at 3.2 € :D
As far as I remember they have done that exactly two times throughout history. After the initial rise and fall came the iPod. Then the iPhone. Some will include the iPad, but Android and MS will get past already next year.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Wrong. I looked. 4-8% isn't a downfall, and besides, the AAPL stock was overpriced. It'll decline more for AAPL, but NOK is almost flatlined with a slight spike up to $4 USD. I see AAPL hitting a new "low" of about $200 - which is still worth more than $4.

They have cash reserves that most countries would love to have.

Actually, Apple failing now will help RIM if they launch BB10 to more acclaim. Apple failing will not help Nokia. Nokia and Microsoft are so intertwined, it'll take Microsoft to start to succeed to hit a new high instead.

Dude... the Death Star is nicer than Apple right now.

Only on contract for the most part.

Disagree. Android is gaining for many reasons, Apple defections isn't really one that adds to the list in a significant way. Same for Nokia - they're not benefitting from any Apple exodus at the moment.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Been using Lumia 920 for a week now. Great phone. It does heat up when charging but no other issues. Nokia maps are great, email fantastic, keyboard best after apple, and I love the large tiles and font. The call quality is soooo much better than N9. It will do well.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Apple trying to build their own death star. Release next year. If it's fail. They are doomed. They are also trying to patent it, not sure what disney says about that.

http://justbiglee.files.wordpress.co...star.jpg?w=580

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Yea, take a patent on that rounded circular shape.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Any update on this?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

This is a dead thread

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

This is a dead board. Ask dave999999

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

NOK1V:Helsinki, €, 1Y bounce.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...8b46dafc5d.png

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

This is a dead company.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

That is where you can make big money. Bet against what the General public thinks. High Risk, high reward. I'm not saying you should buy, just saying I might.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

These are dead people

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Nice!

http://mashable.com/2012/12/27/nokia-lumia-phones/

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Always looking for negative news........what a negative person.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Lets look at some important findings:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-201201-201252

WP has 2.7% now. And it is going UP UP UP :D

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Or more to the point this is easily interpreted as how the hell have Microsoft managed to deliver so BADLY, ONLY achieving a maegre 2.7% in a WHOLE year, despite BILLIONS in advertising.

Against a backdrop of Android increasing share by nearly 14% from an ORDER of MAGNITUDE more than Microsofts ENTIRE share in the last year.

Apple retaining a relatively stable position with a rough average of around 40%, telling here is the iPhone 5 / ios6 changes were obviously not widely welcomed.

The slight decrease in Apple over time is also virtually insignificant considering how much the competitor android has gained and still more than Microsoft has managed to gain during the ENTIRE time frame.

The result is that Microsoft (and by association Nokia) have resoundly managed to achieve the sum total of MAINLY IRRELEVANT in the new wave.

WELL DONE.

More telling is the longer term chart

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200851-201252

Since this tends to suggest that customers and developers are gravitating towards the more open platform, can Nokia please stop their useless strategy based on a legacy dinosaur that is Microsoft and move once again back into the light of relevance.

rgds

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Awesome!

http://247wallst.com/2012/12/21/the-...ops-of-2012/3/

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Some good news, S40 appears to be doing quite well right now by hovering around the 15% mark in world wide stats.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200851-201252

I can see now why Nokia keep repeating their words of how they are impressed with the Asha sales.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

2.7% isn't reason to celebrate.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

if they are reaching 3.0% before 2014. Can we celebrate?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Yay party at 3.0%

Specc and Lumia to bring the drinks.

rgds

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Yeaaa PARTYYYYYYYYY :D

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

They're never going to buy us drinks, are they?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

I wouldn't hold ya breath!

:-)

rgds

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Wish they'd release sale data for China. 703 million subscribers is like twice whole population of US. If they hook them on Nokia brand with low-end smartphones this could be HUGE. As long as quality is there NOK should do good. Saturated markets like US (which obviously has more but 'borrowed' dollars to spend) are for MSFT to reach, like Xbox, though I didn't see a single city in China covered by their Nokia Transport app (Fremantle run so excuse me if that isn't the case):/

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Nokia had China in the past and they slowly lost it. Now they simply can't compete with the android phones even in price. Chinese brands like Huawei have also gained a strong footing. It's not like Nokia isn't trying but their products either just suck or they simply are not popular nowadays.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

http://www.zdnet.com/nokias-china-mo...le-7000008422/

Nokia won the fight on carriers which many people in this thread assumed to be crucial to success. Twice of the population (whole, how many <7 yos get a smartphone?) of US are registered phone users of this carrier alone. Naysay all you want, people overlook facts all the time - see TomiAhonen

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Yesterday I sold my last nokia stocks and took a small hit. I don't want to be in the boat when Q4 results are presented. I simply have no clue how the stock will react. Might buy a small posts again if the figures looks right, like they can make some progress.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

To reuse the overused (that Elop guy has a way with memes) metaphor:

People running from a burning platform don't just dive from rowboat. You sue big Oil or row until exhaustion. HUGE (aapl huge) company is behind you making waves, wait for xbox effect or ms lost it, to google docs. lol, still can't make any .doc look right with it, definitely killer for ms lol

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Woops

Attachment 30390

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

The 920T is available on China Mobile on a $62 per month contract, likewise the 920 on China Unicom.

The national average annual salary for a city dweller in China is now around $6800 (around $567 per month).

As $62 is more than 10% of the average monthly gross salary of a city dweller (who presumably make considerably more than China's rural citizens) I doubt this offer will get too many takers, in fact to me the whole deal has the smack of a gesture about it.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

This isn't "naysaying" it's looking at past figures. If that is naysaying then so be it

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_12960107.htm

what you are doing though is projecting future results based on a carrier deal to stock a phone. Let me ask you what did the second largest US carrier, AT&T's deal, do for Nokia? Did it change the balance in the US? Not really. Now look at the actual numbers, most of China Mobiles subscribers are still on low end 2G, only 11% are on 3G, these are not the smartphone crowd, expecting them all to switch to a Lumia 920T or even a Nokia is wishful thinking especially when China Mobile will now also offer its own branded phones for a fraction of the cost.

If the consumers do not show interest in a phone then there is only so much a carrier deal can do, your own linked article says as much too and the US AT&T deal has already shown it.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Anecdotal I realise but a friend of mine just popped in from a couple of weeks round trip through Hong Kong and then Tokyo.

What surprised him was the mix of phones in use.

The iPhone was no longer the obvious one being used and the primary one by a clear margin was the Galaxy Note.

He didn't see a single Windows phone during his entire trip.

just saying

rgds

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

In that whole market aapl is happy to announce 2m sold iPhones 5. 920 is going to the managers and well to do ppl. The fact is there is no cheap iPhone and there are 610/710 Nokia phones AND asha. If people get to know a good brand (harder to break than Berlin wall) they will get hooked on it. I have my phone for over a year and a half (22 months exactly), first one to survive that long. And very happy it is N900. The quality is just uncomperable to others (friend from office got his iPhone replaced 3 times already)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Best part is it is growing/raising all the time. So many articles on reddit how US workers get less and less each year. All US population having an iPhone still makes less than a half of a single chinese carrier subscribers. Nokia cutting in is a big deal

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 

Do you really think salaries are going to grow fast enough in China that this deal will become affordable to a significant percentage of China Mobile's subscribers within the time frame of the 920 being a relevant device?

You say NOKIA are 'cutting in'? China Mobile (who are by far the biggest carrier) were part of the MeeGo working group! So how do you think NOKIA cut out in the first place?