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I expect it to be somewhat crippled comparing to the native version. Or at least less integrated with the environment. Blackberry attempted to provide such Android VM as well, and it usually is always inferior experience. Anyway, it's only a fallback for someone really desperate, so they'll live with it. Normally you should avoid it.

Hacker

2013-05-08 23:29

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1342206)

Yeah, let them run Android whatsapp if they so need it.

And Tarek's OpenWhatsApp could be made available too, right? We should support open development, especially when it's this good.

http://openwhatsapp.org/

shmerl

2013-05-09 00:35

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No idea. In my perspective Whatsapp should be decommissioned for good, instead of supporting it ;)

jalyst

2013-05-09 02:59

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Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1342150)

Yea that's true and it's an option but Jolla should finally know how to provide it and not tell (somewhat) different things at every interview. :D

Um, they've been saying more-or-less the same thing for about 6-mth now, we'll know the full story in a few wks.
It'll be tricky to buy in many countries, but many others outside Finland/China should be able to get it online-only.
I just hope they provide decent support & warranty coverage for those sort of buyers...

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1342238)

I just hope Myriad's implementation is better than BBX's, the latter has been copping lots of flack, so if the former's better OOTB that'll be a boost to Sailfish's wider appeal.

jalyst

2013-05-09 03:31

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Is the stupid feed not working for everyone else?
http://beijing.thegmic.com/live/
Marc's not due to give his speech till 2pm Beijing time today
http://beijing.thegmic.com/agenda/

onethreealpha

2013-05-09 03:52

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1342259)

I just hope Myriad's implementation is better than BBX's, the latter has been copping lots of flack, so if the former's better OOTB that'll be a boost to Sailfish's wider appeal.

BB10 is using an old android build, which prevents most current versions of android apps from running. No word yet on when ICS/JB runtime will be released, but it's not a part of the 10.1 update cycle as far as i know.
Jolla have made comments which i have interpreted to say "near to native" with little or no noticeable loss of speed or performance, so I can only assume it's already fairly advanced from a development perspective

jalyst

2013-05-09 04:10

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Yeah that's what I've understood too but who really knows, I hope it's not a let down.
I see a solid implementation in that area, as a crucial way to get an edge over others.
What's the deal with the GMIC conference, are you able to get it up on your browser?

onethreealpha

2013-05-09 04:15

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no feed for me. just black screen.

Dave999

2013-05-09 05:34

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Why orange and green.? Orange just so cheep and fits geek phone perfect, not a premium device. The mean green machine might work unless they going for neon green which is my first thought when I think about the disco vendor jolla.

Please release solid colors.

jalyst

2013-05-09 05:42

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It's easy to criticise for attention or trollyness value, to provide constructive/substantive criticism is much harder, but much more interesting & invaluable.
Have to somewhat agree though, if it's only orange or green (which we don't know), then I hope it's not intense orange or green, make it slightly subdued.
Intense will appeal to some users but overall it's too polarising, if they want to appeal to a broader swathe of users they'll need to "dial it down"...
Ultimately it's just colours we're talking about, there's MANY other things that are way more important to most avg/power users, that's what I want to hear about.

Dave999

2013-05-09 06:02

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The color is more important than you think(except for you since I don't know your preferences)

If we look at the n9 I'm sure that black was the most sold followed by blue and last, pink. Now, orange is like pink in mu opinion. Very few customers, green is like blue with a bit more acceptance. Now, if the going down this road without a 'strong' pre liked color(black/white/grayish) I'm afraid they lose lots of potential customers.

Edit: n9 wasn't the best example since the flash drive differs :(

jalyst

2013-05-09 06:16

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So annoying that the stream hasn't been working, Marc's been speaking for about 20min+ now, only 25min left :/

shmerl

2013-05-09 06:38

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Stream is broken. I hope Jolla will repost the video later.

minimos

2013-05-09 06:42

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1342259)

I just hope Myriad's implementation is better than BBX's, the latter has been copping lots of flack, so if the former's better OOTB that'll be a boost to Sailfish's wider appeal.

In the recent interview to Technonation CTO Mosconi said that "There are no issues with performance [of the Android apps], we don't know yet how much faster they will be on our OS, but they should gain something in terms of speed".
So they expect to run at least on par with the original platform (which IMHO is not so surprising, considering Java+VM Android's nature).

Dave999

2013-05-09 06:51

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Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1342292)

But its not all about performance, usability is also important, many apps still uses back button and sometimes even menu. Not sure how that will be handled. Either way it would be nice to finally see it running.

jalyst

2013-05-09 07:55

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1342289)

Stream is broken. I hope Jolla will repost the video later.

If someone sees the most important talks from that conference posted, please share them here ASAP.

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Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1342292)

I'd be surprised if performance is actually better across the board.
Even if it is, I hope they're able to address more important stuff like:
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Seamless integration between the completely difference UX's (as far as that's feasible)
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A large subset of Android 4x apps being accessible at the device's launch with little-to-no issues

The Wizard of Huz

2013-05-09 11:22

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1342282)

Edit: n9 wasn't the best example since the flash drive differs :(

What do you mean by this?Different flashdrive?

Dave999

2013-05-09 11:39

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Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1342345)

What do you mean by this?Different flashdrive?

I meant that the size of the drive comes with different sizes(64GB or 16GB) and that affect the decision and not just the color.

youmeego

2013-05-09 12:52

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i hope there are some inportant apps at the launch day for jolla phone

Sorrow

2013-05-09 13:03

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I guess they will make big phablet and a N950-like (I mean screen size) qwerty device.

Though I really hope to see N9-like device.

m4r0v3r

2013-05-09 14:24

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if the jit works well along aside of dalvik vm then we'll have a decent device with decent applications, what am wondering if how will they have stuff like back buttons, I mean you can implment the home button with a swipe or flick or whatever there calling it, but just having a random back button will

A. look ugly
B. meh
C, will it break uniformity? over the system?

I get people hate Dalvik because it's so much slower etc etc etc, but the thing is after using it for a few months it doesn't seem to be that much of an issue, I haven't faced any real slow downs, and Dalvik VM along side its JIT is working very quickly.

So really I think Dalvik is a good thing. Just depends how they implement it over there own UI

edit: and if you really want to write code natively there's the NDK for that.

mikecomputing

2013-05-09 14:48

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https://twitter.com/smabacke/status/332200947818323969

wolf23

2013-05-09 15:13

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waiting for port, nothing more :D

Morpog

2013-05-09 15:29

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1342380)

.... what am wondering if how will they have stuff like back buttons, I mean you can implment the home button with a swipe or flick or whatever there calling it, but just having a random back button will

A. look ugly
B. meh
C, will it break uniformity? over the system?

Just do it the Google Nexus way with onscreen keys for navigation.

Rugoz

2013-05-09 15:44

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Actually I would love orange, in particular if its aluminium, it doesn't look cheap at all (and I would never have bought a cyan or magenta n9). But they should probably offer black and white as well.

jalyst

2013-05-09 16:07

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Originally Posted by wolf23 (Post 1342399)

waiting for port, nothing more :D

You could be waiting for a very long time, & it'll probably never be completely polished/finished, compared to Sailfish for Jolla or other OEM's.

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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1342409)

Colour is such a subjective thing, that's why it's the least of my concerns...
I could deal with it having pink & purple poker-dots, so long as it's innovative/competitive/class_leading in some sw & hw areas :)

shmerl

2013-05-09 16:59

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They'll probably provide sensible color options including classical ones. It surely isn't the main concern.

mariusmssj

2013-05-09 17:15

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1342423)

They'll probably provide sensible color options including classical ones. It surely isn't the main concern.

This should be obvious that they won't have only 2 colours. 99.9% sure that there will be a classic black one as well, possibly cyan and red.

m4r0v3r

2013-05-09 20:33

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Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1342406)

Just do it the Google Nexus way with onscreen keys for navigation.

Sure but I quickly learnt they take screen space, which isn't nice. I mean I currently use PIE controls, and I don't want to have a ROM without pie on it.

jflatt

2013-05-09 20:35

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1342417)

I could deal with it having pink & purple poker-dots

Is that the color you turn when you get stabbed with a fireplace poker?

Jordi

2013-05-09 20:41

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Tomi says in a tweet that Blueberry was not available for the keynote but he hopes that for May 20, they will have it...

Dave999

2013-05-09 20:52

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That new CEO isn't fun at all on twitter. I want that Marc Dillon back already. Can't wait for the next CEO change.

Morpog

2013-05-09 22:46

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http://abload.de/img/jolladaywwlzd.png

shmerl

2013-05-10 00:27

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imagemagick script anyone?-)

Hacker

2013-05-10 04:03

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1342380)

. . . what am wondering is how will they have stuff like back buttons

What about a specialized swipe gesture like BB10 uses for "back" on Android ports? It works really well, you just swipe diagonally up and left from the bottom right screen corner (or just below). But really, any specialized swipe would work, and would have the added benefit of not eating up screen real estate with virtual buttons. Plus, swipe control is more flow-y.

Given that Android compatibility is a key strategy for both Sailfish and BB10, what are the developmental blocks? I mean, BlackBerry would be better served getting 4.1/4.2/4.3(?) compatible Android solution to market ASAP and so would Sailfish. But Google may want to keep an advantage by staying one Android version ahead.

The real question is, can these software companies (Sailfish and BB) keep up with Google's update cycle because I'm not sure what, if anything, keeps them off the lead lap of the race. What I AM certain about is that being off of the lead lap results in a noticeable and potentially serious software disadvantage.

So, is it technologically feasible for a company to keep its Android compatibility current with Android itself???? Can/does Google do something to handicap the Android compatibility of companies like Jolla and BB to keep them at least one step behind?

Enquiring minds want to know . . .

onethreealpha

2013-05-10 04:52

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Originally Posted by Hacker (Post 1342504)

Well it's interesting to note the g00gle have apparently pushed back Key Lime Pie at the request of OEM's because they're still struggling to implement ICS and JB across their current hardware portfolios.
Given this, it allows a bit of breathing space for the likes of BB and Jolla to ensure their sh*t is in a heap with regard to VM/emulation.
I am surprised that BB is running such an old version of android on their player. It severely restricts application compatibility as well as requiring old apk's that will be missing a lot of more recent functionality.

Dave999

2013-05-10 05:04

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Seriously? If you can't run the latest it's really not needed at all. I had no clue that BB only ran old stuff. How old?

sillieidiot

2013-05-10 05:27

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i think the android player in BB is 2.3

onethreealpha

2013-05-10 05:39

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