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eson 2016-06-07 14:36

Re: Jolla C
 
I was thinking about some sort of cover for the Jolla C, and found this...

https://img.conrad.de/medias/global/...B.EPS_1000.jpg
https://www.conrad.de/de/bugatti-boo...z-1387348.html

...could it be suitable, while waiting for the real thing?

bluefoot 2016-06-07 19:20

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1507056)
Not really; if anything, Dalvik has at least one additional abstraction layer over a "native SF app".

My experience is completely contrary to yours, anyway.

Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

@MartinK

Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.

Win7Mac 2016-06-07 19:22

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eson (Post 1507151)
I was thinking about some sort of cover for the Jolla C, and found this...

https://img.conrad.de/medias/global/...B.EPS_1000.jpg
https://www.conrad.de/de/bugatti-boo...z-1387348.html

...could it be suitable, while waiting for the real thing?

Are there any other Intex/Aqua phones with same size?

szopin 2016-06-07 19:25

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1507185)
Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

@MartinK

Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.

That's because the whole OS is a browser

edit: love how your experience trumps everyone elses, here a vid of iOS (so quick and instant) reddit app launching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE9J75POtYE
0:19-0:22 to get the initial screen, 2 second on Jolla with quickditt, totally slow and useless and on non-anecdote level, bluefoot waits 5 seconds for the quickditt to launch (sure, no idea if it has more features, but surely trumps sailfish, it's just slow I read on a forum)

edit2: android variants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9YzB5j1_64
0:24-0:29 (though at least the main window is loaded by 26, so 2s as SFOS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6UPDCEIyI
0:06-0:11 (main window again at least displays in 1-2 seconds)

KylliOrvokki 2016-06-08 06:24

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eson (Post 1507150)
Is the party hackable? :rolleyes:

It's (not) surprising how one can get to places just by asking nicely. :)


Opening apps in Jolla and general use is quite fast even with Jolla 1. Based on "much" feeling with daily use with 3 phones. Iphone 6 plus and Jolla 1, SailfishOs port on Oneplus One.

Default browser is "slow". How much optimization is default browser lacking compared to Firefox? etc.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/E10s

eson 2016-06-08 06:33

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1507187)
Are there any other Intex/Aqua phones with same size?

Donīt know for sure, but if there is, they're probably not accessible from Europe. Intex is an India only company, as far as I know.

abranson 2016-06-08 21:56

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1507185)
Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

@MartinK

Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.

Any actual link to the details though? I'm not just citation needing, I'm actually interested to see some technical details of your problem, if there are any available. I've asked around people running Sailfish on 4-core phones such as the Fairphone 2 if they've seen it be limited to 2-cores like you said, but they don't really. Everyone seems to think that Sailfish apps perform better than AD.

I don't see the point in downplaying Sailfish for Ubuntu Touch or vice versa. They're practically siblings, and need to support each other if they're going to stand the slightest chance against the big players. They're both so similar that they can share app sources, and they're targeting different markets so they needn't feel threatened by each other. This bickering is futile.

KylliOrvokki 2016-06-09 06:57

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abranson (Post 1507278)
Any actual link to the details though?

Following Nexus 5 port progress I remembered this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=383
Maybe this is what is referred here?

r0kk3rz 2016-06-09 08:15

Re: Jolla C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KylliOrvokki (Post 1507212)
Default browser is "slow". How much optimization is default browser lacking compared to Firefox? etc.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/E10s

SFOS Browser has been using E10s since the beginning, so now that its close to being used in Firefox by default we might see some more progress on optimization of it.

romu 2016-06-09 08:28

Re: Jolla C
 
I've got an iPhone 5S with iOS 9.3. And to be honest, I hope it would be way faster than the SFOS stock browser, it's not stellar.

IMHO, the major concern about the SFOS browser is it runs a totally outdated Gecko engine and more and more websites are just not browsable.


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