Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Haven't been following too much tweeting recently but how many tweets have they tweeted during the last month?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

until they release a product, its all noise ...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Errrm? Jolla isn't just one person u *****. Easy enough to assign one or two people to do PR on the tweeting side.

While everyone else is working on the phone and os itself.. You would think you would at least have a little brain activity with all your "knowledgeable" arguments..

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Oh well, some of us have evolved....
Design, something Apple/Steve under-stand/stood very well and is a main part of a product these days. Functionality, as in a brick (?) just doesn't cut it today.

A good example is what the N9 team has done; a great design, that is different from other without being different for the sake of being different...
Also a UI that is essentially different and more functional than other UI's, like swipe and many others features.

A UI that works intuitively works better and is more pleasing to the user, that, combined with design is what it is all about.

Look at a Ferrari a Bentley, top design & functionality ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i believe you will be among the first to buy their product if they released it.. just like you have 3 N9... 3 N9?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Can this thread be kept more on essential matters please? Or may be it's better to open some more serious thread about Jolla?

Stskeeps and some Jolla folks on the IRC gave some feedback and basically they can't answer most community questions. (I'm not sure if they are going to answer any really).

The question of community site for Mer derivatives was raised, and there was no consensus whether such thing is needed. What do you think? Should be there a community site (something similar to TMO but without trolling and with moderation in development forums ;) ) for developers and users who are related to Mer derived systems like Jolla, Nemo, Plasma Active, Cordia and etc.? Is there a point in one site (http://opentablets.org may be?). TMO will become history at some point, so a new place is needed. But we don't want to end up in situation which existed with jumping between Meego.com forums, TMO forums, Nokia developer forums and etc.

Basically Stskeeps said this should be a community initiative. I.e. if community won't make such effort - the mess will ensue and no one will care to make such unified resource.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

For very superficial people this may be true. But then again, they won't know about a company like Jolla anyway. They'll just buy the model that's popular and that their friends have....

Functionality OTOH is what really counts for those who are more demanding. Functionality is what makes the N900 a so much better device than the N9.

So I still hope Jolla will do little more than apply a little polish here and there and focus on what's under the hood.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Silence. No ideas it seems?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, no one outside jolla/mer knows the bigger picture of that whole mer / jolla / nemomobile / other derivates thing. Kinda hard to make decissions with non existing facts.

A community driven effort would be best, but only if the community has a break even size where most stuff got handled by the community itself.

If it's only a small community, a commercial driven platform (with community support of course) would be best.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

most likely wait till december, Jolla's phone will be my next phone since droid and IOS is corralling people like sheep around me -_-, but besides that, i hope swipe ui lives in the Jolla phone. The Jolla phone seems to be the best kept secret.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

OMFG , dear lord this is ..huh woah!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The interface looks like MS tiles, they'll be sued out of their pants! ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think that it's a quite good idea to try to establish now a single point where to concentrate all discussions, etc.
Of course if at the moment there is not enough 'talk' about Nemo or Jolla (and I mean serious developer-level talk, not "I wish Jolla-phone has capability X") there might not feel a need for such forum, but I'm afraid that if this kind of things gets delayed, Jolla will build its own site, and Mer/Nemo its own, and Cordia its own, and the chance to unify the talking arena will be gone.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, Mer folks basically said they won't make it themselves, but I hope they can probably help out with information if the community will start such a thing. Also, don't mix up Mer and Jolla. While some Mer devs work in Jolla, Mer is really related to all Mer derived systems, not only to Jolla alone.

Yes, that's exactly what concerns me. Them making their sites is OK (i.e. for distinct products), but spreading the discussions and info resources all around is not so good. So what do you think will work. Should we cooperate with Opentablets folks? I think this kind of effort should involve all interested people. (I started a thread there: http://opentablets.org/topic/70-call-for-collaboration/ ).

Mer however already has a site, but it's probably not reasonable to host all Mer derivatives related stuff there (like developers and user forums). At least that's what I understood from Stskeeps. Mer site will concentrate on the core only, which mostly pertains to Mer vendors (such as Plasma Active, Jolla, Nemo architects and designers and so on).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You want a site that essentially bans me? Pardon my silence.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I want a constructive site for developers and users who might come for help. Something akin to a community site like Mozillazine:
http://forums.mozillazine.org
http://mozillazine.org

It's moderated. And it's really helpful to users and developers alike. Off-topics and non constructive stuff are given a separate section there, so it doesn't distract from the content.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There is a community initiative with a scope to include Maemo and all of its derivatives called Hildon Foundation. We have a promise from Nokia that maemo.org will be transferred and a contact point in Nokia for hosting, the trademark, the contract with Nemein, and the transition of maemo.org from Nokia. There was a suggestion from Reggie that we can keep the forum if Nokia handed over maemo.org and we're trying to get further details from Reggie on how we do that. There are still a lot of loose ends, but there is an effort.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

For a start, if you want to be inclusive using the TMO site itself, may be someone can create a Mer related section (with subsections like Plasma Active, Nemo, Jolla and etc.) here on the forums at last? Jumping around Competitors section and some various threads about Mer and Nemo in Meego/Harmattan buried behind Harmattan stuff is really annoying. I personally don't use Maemo per se, and interested rather in Mer derivatives. But there is no dedicated subforum for it here.

I.e. I propose to add such dedicated subforums (if forums support such level of hierarchy):

Talk > OS / Platform > Mer > Plasma Active
Talk > OS / Platform > Mer > Nemo
Talk > OS / Platform > Mer > Jolla

Thanks.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I already made a similar proposal for such changes along with classification of applications in this thread.

However, I didn't receive many feedback and nothing has yet been implemented.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

New article about Jolla in finnish http://www.tekniikkatalous.fi/ict/jo...lkalla/a833455

Somewhat slightly interesting new stuff:

-Jolla organisation has no fixed structure. They arrange new team structures every month on the basis of what needs to be done. Everyone working for Jolla has the same basic salary + plus bonuses according to how well the teams have operated. Says that this system has worked very well so far.

-Mentions Valve as an example of corporation that Jolla has taken inspiration from for management style.

-They have started hiring marketing people. Could mean something about release getting close, on the other hand maybe it doesn't.

-Price point for Jolla phone is going to be such that everyone who wants one will be able to get one. Possibly marketing BS, but my guess has been that it will be mid-price device all along anyway.

-Funding situation good. Have funding for manufacturing the first product. IIRC before they were saying only about having money for finishing the development and design of the first product.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There is also mentioned how they hire people: they don't look at CV of a person they consider hiring but instead look at the quality of code the person produces. It is said that they look at Mer community and its contributors and their code.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Say.. wasn't there a site out there called InternetTabletTalk.com for general stuff like that once? You know.. before Nokia essentially turned it into a narrowly focused site for Maemo alone? Just saying.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, hope that is not true. Otherwise the product will be ****ed. CV is one thing, code is one thing, You dont need a great coder if he is plane stupid when it comes this and that. Sure CV means nothing and code means nothing. But toghter, its powerfull. Or they might communitcate their buissnis plan in code :D

Joke company. where is the phone?

Anyone know if the hire people on a regular contract or if it's on time of material or per project?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i prefer to se a new fresh site without all trolls from TMO and alsi a mobile optimized forum. Seriously TMO is crap and to much offtopic stuff for those intrested in development. Almost very new thread created is hijacked by trolls anyway. So restart FRESH to make DEVELOPERS and endusers take back fresh dorums from TMO trolls!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It would be good if we could reuse some of the maemo.org infrastructure, and finally extend it:
Not just "accept" other projects, but actually make it so that the NIT are only a part of it, at the same level as other mer derivative projects, or even other mainline linux based handheld projects.
The forum sections would need a complete restructuration.
The name would need to change, as it would be too exclusive to keep maemo or Hildon in it (even if it can be managed by the hildon fundation).
InternetTabletTalk (as dan suggests) could do, but it's a bit too forum focused..

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I also don't think that Hildon name is relevant anymore (as well as Maemo). They are already historic and don't really apply to the new developments (such as Mer for example).

Starting a fresh site is good, unless TMO can be thoroughly cleaned up and restructured, plus better moderated to stop pollution of threads with offtopics and trolling.

Focus on hadnsets or tablets in the name is probably not good, something like Open Devices would sound better. Or if you think it should be more about the software side, may be Open Mobile or something?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm still a bit sceptical whether jolla will be able to deliver a feature rich and bug free platform with its limited manpower. The N9 was kind of a mixed bag in that regard.

Certainly hope so :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

QT5 beta release
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_5.0
^I see some wayland there

Linux is the sheeeeeat bay bee. I seen estimates on the web that it would take billions to re-engineer linux from the ground up.

Off topic:
I've decided to learn how to navigate/use linux after quitting learning unix for a brief period back in the late 90's (and perl), I'm picking back up where I left off.
I'm currrently running Debian on a 3.2ghz 6 core 64 bit customized ibuypower desktop pc having fun with WINE and Winetricks installing windows applications on debian lol. Makes me want to get a galaxy note 2 and install ubuntu on it and then wine and have a little pc I can use to create CNC tool paths.

I'm at the last 20% of my machinist class training but I decided to take a few weeks to learn Mastercam (which is a windows program) so now that I have Wine hopefully I can install Mastercam home learning edition from eapprentice.net and design parts at home after school.
I wanted to back engineer the cheapo yellow plastic cover/case I have for my N9 by measuring it and then redesign it in Mastercam to add a U shaped kickstand and then machine it out of aluminum just to see if I can do it as a class project. I was thinking of engraving QT at 20 thousands of an inch on the back with the camera hole in the center of the Q. I'll start a separate thread when I have the first attempt at reproducing the shape of the case in Mastercam.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

is there any Infos about the OS... or any Screenshots?
i only read (in german news), that Jolla want to release the Smartphone with the "new" UI this wall. And a another news write, that it will support Tizen and Android Applications? is it true?

any infos about the hardware?

my n9 is the third time broken, now i get my money back from amazon, because there cant send me a new one :(
Now i have to buy a Smartphone from this time up to release from Jollamobile.

i hope jollamobile will release many more news on 8.9.12 this year on the hackday in finnland.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

no there is no android support. Again that is fF
alse or bad translations and rumors.

for the 100 time: jolla will use Mer core and Qt!

and about tizen its more vapoware than jolla atm...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you^ on Tizen being vaporware
http://youtu.be/rJ1y7CpIaVA
http://youtu.be/nkfd-2cLq-g
http://youtu.be/x3bpBIHobqQ

Tizen image and flashing instructions
http://tizentalk.com/

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Won't work. :) At least not with any usable speed. Wine is not an emulator - it can't run x86 Windows applications on an ARM architecture. You would need Qemu to emulate a complete x86 processor on your ARM device and a lot of other tweaks.
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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yep, Wine doesn't emulate the CPU. It does emulate Windows though :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wine Is Not an Emulator

IIUC they just want to implement the APIs, not emulate the OS. But as they try to support more apps the line is getting blurry ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

its just a toy/prorotype IMHO

I still doubt samsung will use it in the end, they are to much in bed with google and microsoft, and if they dont use it why would other? In case of meego/qt we already HAS consumer products running it. Jolla may have little bigger chance sell with meego+Qt than those trying core tizen. In that case they better cooperate wit team behind bb10 both could win on that in case of more qt apps. Also webos team is better choice than tizen IMHO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This is a concept for the Intel phone about a year old.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah i have zero trust on Samsung making Tizen to anything bigger Nokia made MeeGo.
Jolla gathering more twitter members in 6hrs than the year old Tizen was kind of showing in that. No, it's not the facto number to measure OS success, but it still tells something about it's popularity.


The media space Tizen is getting is way less than Maemo or MeeGo got and the developer interest seems to be lower. It's not like Maemo/MeeGo had huge interest compared to the big guys anyways.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Of the CPU. It emulates Windows by supplying DLLs natively built for various OSes. I.e. providing the API is "emulating" the OS to some degree. Not 100% exactly though.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To summarize: There is a difference between simply providing DLL's and emulating instructions for software to run on.

Details: Yes, it provides DLL's natively built for various OS's. The problem, as has been explained earlier, is that it is NOT an emulator and does not emulate the x86 instructions needed to run x86 software to MAKE those Windows calls. You can ONLY make WINE run on x86 hardware (reasonably fast, depending) or on EMULATED x86 hardware (always, ALWAYS slow!).