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Also not for the FB. The whole notification / feed UI is incomplete compared to #N9, where they were all compiled to one screen.. and where each the notifications where active elements from which you could get to the "content" directly. The Twitter feed that is accessable from the Notifications view shows only 10 latest tweets. And interaction with those is nowhere close to being comparable to Tweetian or QNeptunua in N9.

I hope the future updates of OS fix these issues. Atleast Tweetian port is at works to become availble to Harbour, soon ;)

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Of course it's ok to compare Jolla to N9, especially if N9 happens to be the phone you have been using for the last two years ;) And now finally get it replaced with a new one. The comparisons makes a lot of sense, because however DOA N9 was and made sure by Nokia that it won't have a future. it still had most anything one would need to have in a smart-phone. And it performed well enough for my needs at least.

In regards to the UX the paradigms (in SailfishOS and Meego) are not that far from each other. Some things Jolla has taken further and implemented them better and UI with Swipes and gestures is very fluid and easy to use. At least looking it from Meego/Harmattan world.

Many features that were implemented well in N9 are nice to have in Jolla too. Of course, Jolla is different and modern beast, and I'm not wanting it to be "just another Meego", but, instead, a new smart-phone with its own identity and nature, both of which it definately has.

After using Jolla for week now (queur #39), I must say that it is better than I expected in many ways. But it's clear that the fortth-coming frequent updates in SailfishOS are needed to complete the device feature-wise. In order of importance IMHO it needs to have:
1. Simpler and more interactive UI for Feeds / Notifications with Calendar and social media services (some things from N9 design could be "ported")
2. External calendar sync and managment with contacs and emails when using e.g. Google acc, CalDav, CardDav or .ics
3. Landscape mode to the whole native UI (and apps)
4.Maps offiline usablity with turn-by-turn voice navigation (N9 had this, but only for car)
5. Qwerty + extra battery OH.

Cheers.. ;)

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No it doesn't. I have a Google acc setup but no calendar(s) do appear in Jolla Calendar app.

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No exact figures, but my experience is that IM eats battery at rate of 5 to 10 percent per hour, if the phone is otherwise idling (night). However I have both Google and plain XMPP (OpenFire server) online at the same time, and using 3gdata too.

I'll do a test next night with just good wifi and plain xmpp server, but so far IM online battery usage seems to be on the level of N9. Eg. not too good, and you'll be struggling to get through the whole day if you keep fiddling a lot with your phone.

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Unfortunately, I don't think that this can be fixed. Where would they put the content to be visible without making the whole UI crowded with messages from FB, Twitter etc.? This is a weakness of the "one vertical home screen". In N9 Nokia could allow the apps to put a lot of content to events screen because user could just swipe left or right (to go to app launcher or open apps). Jolla on the other can't let the notification screen to have a lot of content because user would always need to vertically go over all the posts before getting to open apps and app launcher.

Or am I getting this wrong? Does anyone have any ideas how to make Sailfish notifications at least as good as N9 ones?

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looking at the ambience feature more indepth is seems ambience is simply more than a theme, but rather a phone profile and that theme is part of that profile.

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The events feed is on a seperate window. The icons on the lockscreen are just an indication that something has happened - to view the actual content, you need to open the events view by swiping up from the bottom of the device.

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I was wondering how Sailfish OS compares with the Ubuntu OS that, as I understand, was working on the Nexus? Seems that, barring anymore progress with Tizen, that Ubuntu would be Sailfish's biggest competitor.

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As WooT says the notifications is on another window. i don't see why that could have a similar feed to the N9 with message and email notifications where they currently are. Given the real estate free on that page I half expect it to be that way in the near future. The current twitter native feed looks like a proof of concept that could well be expanded.

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Tweetian Beta for Jolla is out. Looking forward to its release.

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Unfortunately until someone figures out how to support itunes (or some kind of fake mass-storage) on the device, I guess you will have to bug Apple to support common protocols. And especially ask them not to break things like the existing 3rd party mtp apps.

You could still try this : http://www.android.com/filetransfer/

I know it says android file transfer, but it actually is an mtp app as Android these days has dropped mass-storage too. But I have been told the latest OS X update broke it. (I cannot tested it since I do not run/have broken-by-design software/hardware)

Otoh you could run an ftp/http server on the device and access things like that. At least http and ftp is something that Apple will not break.

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Why... but why... QNeptunea would have been better....

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Doesn't help. The OH Ambiances (even if shown in My apps) aren't shown in Gallery or Ambiance view. They are in the device and packages are installed (confirmed with pkcon in bash shell), but not functional. Tried sevaral times uninstalling, rebooting and in different WiFi networks.

Only thing I haven't tried is reseting then device and starting from factory set up. Don't see how that would help cause I've only anabled dev mode, but done nothing expect browsin the system with pkcon, pkmon, etc..

Also getting OH's to be recoginzed always requires many reboots, taking them out, plugging again, and even removing battery also.. but still they (SnowWhite and TheFirstOne) can't be used as Ambiances.

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I think the Event Feed was one of the real killer features of the N9 (and I am unhappy neither Identi.ca/pump.io works anymore, nor instago ever), so if that would work similar in Jolla, I might consider getting one.

I returned two Nexus 4 cause they had no Event Feed, and I don't like how I have to switch around through apps in my Nexus 7...

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It wouldn't clutter whole UI. If the Feeds view is used (and Twitter is already parttially there working this way, only limited) and there are many items in the screen, it can be scrollable like email view. And you can always pull left or right to access the Multitasking screen and get to launch other apps. So no need to scroll all the way down (look how Twitter feed is already implemented).

Also Notifications telling e.g. "3 Twitter mentions" can already be tapped, but they don't open Twitter client but browser. (a native app handling these streams would be optimial, but Tweetian type client is ok, too)

The same interactivity should be on the Home screen too, now it just shows practically the same info that is in the Feeds view, but without no way to interact whit those items.

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Hmm, maybe you have a hardware issue? Either NFC chip or its antena is broken or the metal leaf switch at the hole (rear right, small hole below a screw, next to the battery) is not working properly.

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Yes, thats's how I see it, too. For example, Ambiance enables to setup sound profile alreaydy, and hopefully other stuff later.. ;)

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I was refering to Feed screen mostly, it's fucntionality isn't yet as good as it could be. Also th,e screen where it's told "something has happened", could support some interactive elements, too. Maybe the Calendar alarms, missed calls, and messages etc. should go there. Can't test all these yet cause I have no SIM card in the phone and Calendar sync doesn'ẗ work for Google / CalDav accs.

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Yes, that's what I was thinking. It's only now limited in that the Twitter and FB (and other feed sources like RSS etc) don't work or only partially. Tapping a feed item should open a relavant app, in relevant position and let user to interact with it. Opening them in browser or web view is not sufficient. Optimially if I have two Twitter clients, it should be possible to specify in settings the app in which I want the content to be opened.

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Yes I tried it few days ago and it's nice and very promising. Waiting it to get feature complete and hoping it gets integrated to Feeds screen as an optional choice for diving in to Twitter stream, Unless there is going to be more system-spesific native solution to make Notifications and Feeds more interactive ;)

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I am starting to fear the same. I see no physical defects in the device in those areas. And the OH's eventually get recognized, and the relevant Ambiance packages installed, but still they cannot be used in the UI.
As I said, I've contacted JollaCare thru zendesk days ago, but haven't got any reply. I hope that this is not how support is going to work in the future, thinking that in very short time there will be tens of thousands of more new users with there new devices needing Care and Support ;)

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I have used Qneptunea in N9 and just love it. The Tweetian is pretty much the same, but lacking some features.. The Jolla implementation hopefully has all those usable thru slick native UI, cause using Twitter with Jolla web browser is far from optimal.

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oh agreed, but then again a mac is what I'm using (for now) , mainly because I stupidly allowed myself to get 100gb of photos trapped in iphoto.
If I could get them out without months of setting up events etc, I'd move on

I digress though!

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For the browser specific discussions (since there can be many issues), see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91890

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I had the same problem and it was fixed by doing a full reset of the device after backing up my data.

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since it sounds like the dalvik VM is executed as a single task (Android apps get frozen when you go back to the home screen), can you run multiple android apps at the same time (of course, only one would run and the rest would be frozen). point is - in the home screen, will you see cards for the multiple android apps? or only a single android app at a time?

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Droll,

From what others have posted, only the most recent android app is shown on the multitask view. You have to be within an android app to use their recent apps soft button which shows all the recent android apps.

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Only the last used Android app is visible.

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It's now over a week of use and I must say the honeymoon is coming to an abrupt end. Using Firefox (which often crashes) means battery life is poor. Last night the shuffle play on the music app refused to move away from selecting tracks from 4 out of over 200 albums, Deletion of email seems impossible. They do sometimes delete if marked as read first. There is not option to delete from server and mark all read is not possible. SO now My email is full and I can't spare the time to delete individual message.

One thing about the UI that I find irritating (and this is mainly because I am an N9 user, is the swiping from the side when the home screen appears. I do this instinctively to get to the feeds screen, but of course it is not there. All I get is at ambiences screen. How often do you change the ambience? For what is such an easy motion to make single handed (far easier than swiping up from the bottom of the screen) why assign such a dull option. I think the notification screen (when and if it ever become useful) would be better served with a side swipe. (excuse the pun).

It would be nice if there was an officially communicated way of reporting errors. Am I the only one confused at what the process is now?

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Send a mail to care@jolla.com (mark as 'bug report' or something) and it'll get to the right people.

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@jolla care
Please have a look here.

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I have sent an email and silence. Seems little sense in sending more down the same hole.

Having said that I have sent another couple of mails and also collated my various tweets and issues posted here to carE@jolla.com

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As a former N9 I understand you well and I tend to do the side sweep as well. Nevertheless, I think the event feed gesture is good as it is, because now you can access the event feed from where ever you are. Inside the apps the side sweep is already in good use and I wouldn´t change that.
Still, it would be nice if in the future we could assign at least some of the gestures ourselves + I hope the event feed changes to the one they showed in the demo videos.

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Love this app.

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I agree that Ambiance shortcut with side swipes is a waste of useful and easy gestures. One does not change profiles every 30 seconds, and Ambiance can already be changed quite easily from the pulley menu (which seems much more convenient for that).To me, it looks like Ambiance was chosen for this side swipe because nothing more important to the UI was necessary: core functions are already covered by the up/down swipes and the side swipes from application view.

What I'd lke is to use side swipes in the multitask view to show more than 9 apps. Just like the N9 has a vertical scroll in this view, the Jolla could have multiple pages horizontally arranged (with the Sailfish dots on top to indicate which page is being shown).

The maximum of 9 covers shown is an old concern about Sailfish and Jolla sailors have often argued that 9 is most often more than necessary, that they usually use less than that. They also added that anyway it's easy to see from icons which apps are open but not shown as covers (well, I'd like to see a screenshot of that by the way to see how the icon is altered to show an app is open but not previewed in a cover). Yet, the large majority of the videos we see since November 27th show Jollas with 9 covers shown. It means that people do use 9 apps simultaneously (or more), or at least they want to keep them open. To be honest I'm not surprised at all because I often have in between 8 and 11 apps open on my N9 despite its more limited hardware.

tl;dr
Give us horizontally arranged pages of the multitask view so that we can side swipe from it to show more than 9 covers. Ambiance may be useful, but not to the point to access it with the two most easy to perform gestures. Pulley menu is perfectly appropriate for it.

Yes, turning pages with swipes from outside the screen might be confounding considering in apps we turn pages from the inside, but it's definitely worth it.

Hope some Jolla or community dev agree, and find a way to achieve these two challenges: multiple pages in multitask view, and side swipes to turn pages instead of accessing Ambiances.

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This got me thinking... is there any way to put the phone on silent/beep only without going through ambiance? Pretty much the volume up/down that the N9 has and that you can do without entering your phone password.

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You have the pulley menu for Silence Sounds on the home screen. No beep mode. Then when phone is locked the home screen appears and you can use the pulley menu to silence sounds without unlocking. All other options take you to the unlock screen.

There is no "lock now" option, that would be a useful addition to the pulley menu, although you can pull the whole screen down that does not lock the phone is you have a time delay on the lock.

You can set so you can see notification when locked too. Swipe up from bottom displays them. If this is not set then the swipe up takes you to pin entry screen.

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I am sure it make more sense to send bugreports to care than not to!

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True, was having a truculent moment :)

3 mails sent today and 3 acknowledgements :cool:

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What kind of email account are you using IMAP/POP/exchange ?

Emails deleted from inbox are moved to trash folder, if you want to permanently delete them remove them from trash folder.