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F(x) is NOT a crowdfunding. Have you ever got some inside news about the big companies how they progress with the development of something?.... I have no idea how you can compare a 'garage project' to a 'real project'

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It's not real yet. we have no phone. :D

I had google Real Project. But I came up short :(

Scamlets Jolla Oy in Area 5... at MWC. Can anyone confirm if this real project won't end up as a hang arounds over there? and if so, will FX be available for visitors and reporters?

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Just because Chen says it's real doesn't mean it actually is. Yes, I actually work for the company (not THE BIG ONE but still) that pushes actual Sailfish OS devices on the russian market (not B2C though *cough* yet *cough*). And yes, I know quite a lot about the development and software adaptation. Even something as fairly straightforward as customizing an android OEM phone with Sailfish OS and making sure everything is reliable and operating in a particular cases is quite a challenge for or a 100+ team of professionals. So yeah, haha.
What you're doing right here is promoting a project with almost no confirmable information about it from a guy who has failed in managing TWICE (you can blame whatever forces around these projects you want, but that's still a management failure) as a real project. It is not, it is vaporware (yet). Deal with it.

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So, why don't you share information about the phones where you work on??? I don't believe anything in that. There is no such thing.
Oh and also, Samsung S10 is also vaporware since it's not out nor confirmed. A new iPhone is also vaporware.
So that means everything is vaporware. Even the phones you are working on it. Grow up

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Is everybody crazy or what??? You guys seem like histerical children whining about something they want but don't have. Did Chen, or anyone else, asked for money to build something? Did Chen forced anyone to do a donation? He and his team are making a great efort and are trying to deliver something we all are expecting a long time ago. If it was me, and acording to all negative coments here, i would have given up already and stoped this project.

PS: just one more thing... the device runs and it looks amazing :cool:

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I could not care less if you beleive me or not. The peculiar fact is, that as a proof of existence of anything you're asking for text information and imagery. On the internet. Asking the guy with pretty advanced 3D rendering skills in his portfolio. In 2019. Nice move, wow smart.

Exactly, it's so awesome that you're finally getting the point! The only slight difference is that Samsung and Apple have the track record of delivering the product. So you can assume that S10 will eventually be out (but not neccessarily with *rumored* specs, these are still vaporware). Like that iPhone concept with a ring flash - you have nothing but rumors and renders to prove that version. Will you advertise it as the real thing on the message boards?

There is a great deal of vaporware products that were never shipped from the tech juggernauts like Asus or Dell, but you're not conveniently referring to them.

Well, one phone, Inoi R7 is already released and being used, all other options, and you got it absolutely right, is vaporware for the masses at this point in time. And this is exactly why you don't have any information about them.

Yeah, sure. So he says.

Here's the deal, if you have a questionable track record in delivering the products, but you're actually just an unlucky honest man, why would you make your freakin' third attempt in delivering the product to go all the same steps as two previous ones? Scarce updates, unreallistic, then postponed delivery dates, radio silence. That's either maddness/stupidity or that's the whole plan to end up binned.

Yes. And did not deliver. Twice.

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I give up... Waiting patiently for a great project to come. Even if doesn't come i congratulate Chen for the try

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Aren't there some ports for not officially supported devices?
So there were 100+ teams developing them?! :eek: Impressive.:cool:

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We're as official as it can get :D

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So besides android layer, what is so challenging compared to unofficial ports, that you need more than hundred people???

I would be surprised when the porting teams consisting of more than ten people and I would assume, that they do this in their free time.

Edit:
Ohhhhhh and nearly forgotten, how many employees does Jolla have? On the english wikipedia it is told, that there are just 50 employees.

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Something about 50 and Sailfish on Xperia X is still not so stable as on Jolla 1(For sure it useable as a daily driver). This is the main reason I'm still using Jolla 1.

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Couldn't agree more. It's a shame how they take so long to solve small problems. I'm selling my Xperia X excatly for that reason and looking for a Jolla C

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I would not exactly call them "everything is reliable and operating", though :D

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The same I wouldn't say about my officially supported Xperia X :p

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Yes, and that was the biggest mistake you could possibly have made. I like using the TOHKBD I bought from someone else who didn't like it and I'm even grateful you guys made it (it's one of the only really cool uses the TOH concept ever got), but when you take into account that at no point in time have all of the keys ever worked the way they should without requiring you to press really hard on the center keys or the top row to make them register at all, and when you take into account that the connection between the keyboard and the device itself also drops fairly frequently, there is simply no other way to describe it than as a really poor and highly unreliable physical keyboard that's a hard sell even to enthusiasts. I almost forgot to mention that the TOH is 1mm too large, so it doesn't fit as snugly as it should. I am saying nothing whatsoever about Dirk's other way too large yet pretty expensive novelty TOHs that nearly fall off when you pick the phone up off the table. Or Dirk's green TOH material that turns into blotchy yellow when touched by human hands.

You're free to criticise this project however you want, but please don't insert yourself into the comparison because your product is not even worth comparing to a pipedream.

Sent from my TOHKBD Jolla Phone

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First of all, I'm really sorry that you didn't have the best experience with TOHKBD.

The problem with key presses is a cause of "not quite perfect" key peg position/length, that presses on the metal dome. Unfortunately for us this silicone part is being made with the injection molding process which is super expensive if you're "trying things out" so each iteration of the design was a *really* heavy hit on our budget, so we've basically made two attempts, trying to figure out the right length with some off-the-shelf trickery and CAD simulations. Unfortunately I've failed to make it perfect due to the lack of funds and, most importantly, experience and I'm the one to blame for all the UX issues, I'm sorry.

When we were figuring out if we would be able to make a Moto Z Mod with our layout it was the first thing on our list to invest in.

But to say that we would rather spend all the money we were trusted with on some perfectionism exercises rather than work with all the limitations considered, but deliver - that type of decision is exactly why people don't trust crowdfunding anymore. I'd rather be an incompetent industrial designer that realises his mistakes and iterates on them than a crook. But that's me.

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What I don't like on this whole discussion is, that we don't discuss the product in the way it is planned, but we pick on each other like little children. There is no reason for being rude and unfair.

I have bought the TOHKBD at the time Dirk and his team offered it. And do I like it? No! For me the biggest problem aren't the keys but the balance of the device.

But that's just one aspect. The truth is, I never expected TOHKBD to be perfect. I was happy, there were some crazy guys, who just tried it. And I never regret having bought TOHKBD.

That said it makes me sad to see the same guys speaking all the time of vaporware and accusing Chen to be dishonest.

To be clear I don't know Chen personally, nor do I know if he is a honest guy or not. But I think we should assume that he is, as long as the opposite is proven.

And NO, the two projects, you are talking about doesn't prove something like that. Youyota wasn't the project of Chen (I've also lost some money there), even so he made the mistake not to be very clear on that, from the early beginning.

The Moto Z Mod was cancelled and all funding was repaid, as far as I know. So this speaks definitely for Chen! Not having success with a project isn't something I would accuse somebody. It's much worse not having tried it.

And PLEASE, I and some others have already written, there is no need to warn somebody about anybody, because this isn't a funding campaign. So we have nothing to lose and can just wait and see if there will be a product or not.

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Well said!!

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One sec please ..
I have to get supplies
get comfy, sit back enjoy the show here.

ok I'm ready...
you guys can continue now..

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I think the device is postponed.

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You think too much... And No. It is not...

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Most project are. Nothing bad. It just happens. Most Phones too.

How do you know?

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On that, I agree wholeheartedly.

But this? Really? How do you know?

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What happens here is a remarkable example of human behaviorism. Pavlov would be thrilled. It is like theres a dog but instead of teaching it to learn when it is gonna get the bone, you just show a picture of a bone, not even a real one, and then leave it there. Wheres the bone? Was there a bone? Is there a bone? I would really like a bone! Bones are like this! Or that? Why am I thinking of a bone? Who said that?

The less you give, the more you give, cause the capabilities of human imagination are endless and they will fill empty space. Antonius the great, who went ro desert to get rid of the devil, had to fight hardest because in the desert when you are alone your brain starts to fill the space.

There seems to be a burden build in history, which has not yet been properly dealt in each mind. I just wonder why Chen bothered to share anything on this forum - at least if he knew what would happen.

Hope this ends well for all.

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Haha.
Maemish my man!
nailed it with the "bone phone"
Hahaha.

Hm
Got me thinking though ...
I should do a fund raising start up...
I think it will be a tremendous success ..
The "catapp"...
Cats are insanely popular on the web...
My target audience (fanatical cat lovers) is HUGE.

I calculate it will be a massive success.
Unlike my "Cat Milk" protein drink...
It was problematic from the get-go...
First everyone thought the product was meant FOR cats.
Second ...it was hard finding milking machines small enough to fit cats that stayed on.
Standard size milking machines instantaneously suck so much they threaten to mummify the cats on the spot.

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Naturally I expected a "thanks" from you catbus .
:D

Hm...
cat buses ...

Damn.
Someone has already built a fully functioning cat bus for people!

https://technabob.com/blog/wp-conten...7/catbus-1.jpg

But!
Not one yet for cats!

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And how do you know this? Where did you get this info from? Are you one of the employees? I really want to know. You seems to know many things about this phone.

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Let them talk. They say these things just for someone to say if it's true or false. Let them wait and see for themselves

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Life experience. Usually never claim to know things (as some other)

I’m more of a hang-around to see what that team building and follow the flow of the thread.

What do you think of next news letter. Announcement and shipment ready?

News letter next week anoucment week after that an then some show room at mwc.

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Wrong.

But yeah. Let’s wait together.

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He's not crazy technically... If the kayboard mod barely made it to production, a phone is a whole different ball game with many hurdles to clear. Postponing by 1 quarter already happened. No updates in over 2 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if he's right. I hope not, but he might be. don't get your hopes up

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Thanks for the reply and the explanation. I do appreciate what you did especially considering you started from scratch, it just ruffles my feathers when some people start and keep on riffing on someone who doesn't actually need to prove anything. There's nothing to lose here, even if it is a very elaborate joke, all anyone did was waste a few hours bickering back and forth, which would have happened regardless of the topic.

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I was mostly not talking about an official postphonement but an internal within the project. If that will be officially seen or not is unknown.

But to me it doesn’t matter I can wait if the product will be nice. I’m not looking for a new phone atm anyway.

EDIT: my post doesn’t affect active topics. Awsome :D

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The faster this phone gets out the better. It's losing relevance as we speak. That said qwertys have lost nearly all relevance today anyway. I hope this phone Sparks life into the form factor again

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How can this lose relevance when it's main feature is a not relevant feature of today?

It's pretty unique today so...given that it actually exists. Be available and find the way to customer hands i don’t see any reason to hurry :D

owhat do you mean?

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What does anybody think about WebOS/LuneOS? Maybe I'm just stuck in the past, but I haven't given up the notion that it was the best OS to date. I actually bought a Pre 2 and a Veer (again) recently...

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Well you can think you are stuck in the past ...
but LuneOS is not quite "in the past" just yet...
Their team is still motoring on.
I keep an eyeball on these alt os's , plasma, touch, maru, lune, etc.
see where they are at.
Lune is alive and well in fact ...
Lune just released last november their Stable Release called Doppio
https://forums.webosnation.com/luneo...ml#post3454959
It is on my "to do " list for trying it out on my nexus 5 actually.
I haven't really had time to play with it yet.
Looking forward to it though.

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I’m fine with that. As long its not Sailfish. Jolla using community and give very little back. Not even tiny refunds. Hope Chen stay away from russian OS.

I think we might looking at a newsletter week...