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mscion 2010-05-03 11:35
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 638654)
I have now also found time to try out OO 3.2. The missing icons are due to openoffice.org-style-* files that were not upgraded by the above commands. To upgrade all the other openoffice.org packages that are already installed one additionally needs
Code:
apt-get install openoffice.org-style-crystal openoffice.org-style-galaxy openoffice.org-style-hicontrast openoffice.org-style-tango openoffice.org-emailmerge
(I guess only galaxy is really needed to get the icons back in the standard configuration.)



EDIT2: @qole, what about securing a version of all OO3.2 armel packages in sid in case it gets again withdrawn or broken in the next versions?


I second this!

rebhana 2010-05-03 11:49
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deny_winarto (Post 639873)
Ermm, actually no,
Yes, the gnumeric.desktop file is moved and no longer in MyDocs directory, but i don't see the shortcut in the app list..
So maybe something's wrong with my code :(
I have also installed gnumeric and a desktop file under .local and it does work, even when I give a nonexistent icon as in your above posting. Let's check whether you've really done what you say. What do you get when you type in
Code:
cat /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon/gnumeric.desktop
That should be now
Code:
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=gnumeric
Icon=gnumeric
Exec=debbie gnumeric
Type=Application
That should give a gnumeric app with a blank (blue) icon in the application manager (once you've rebooted, as I already said). If you replace the icon by an existing one, like ooo-calc (the ending .png is omitted) you should also have a special icon, but even without it works for me.

If still no - perhaps you haven't installed gnumeric yet? :p
That is most easily done with the Debian chroot terminal app (red swirl icon), by typing in
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install gnumeric
apt-get clean

suresh 2010-05-03 12:13
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
can some one help me please?

mscion 2010-05-03 13:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 638654)
I have now also found time to try out OO 3.2. The missing icons are due to openoffice.org-style-* files that were not upgraded by the above commands. To upgrade all the other openoffice.org packages that are already installed one additionally needs
Code:
apt-get install openoffice.org-style-crystal openoffice.org-style-galaxy openoffice.org-style-hicontrast openoffice.org-style-tango openoffice.org-emailmerge
(I guess only galaxy is really needed to get the icons back in the standard configuration.)
As to startup speed, I now get slightly above 1 minute when launched the first time, and when repeated around 45 sec. (time until the cursor appears in oowriter). With 3.1 it remained around 1 minute.

EDIT: The timings were for debbie. Curiously, in LXDE I get lower values - sometimes just 30 secs for repeated launches of oowriter.

EDIT2: @qole, what about securing a version of all OO3.2 armel packages in sid in case it gets again withdrawn or broken in the next versions?

Instead of "apt-get install ...all the extra files" you can just

apt-get install openoffice.org

and save some typing. Of course you'll probably get whatever else that may be missing.

The best time I got, assuming OOo is not opened" was about 35s to 36s to start typing. Rebhana, Just curious, is your n900 running at 600Mhz?

While using OOo writer I got a phone call. This disabled the
keyboard. Fortunately, I could still get out of OOo using the
stylus. But when I reopened OOo writer, the keyboard still did not work. I tried to use the fix keyboard icon but it did not help.
If I then shutdown the Debian LXDE and then fire it up again OOo writer with keyboard worked.
I also duplicated this by calling the phone with OOo writer running. Perhaps this should be a standard test (if it is not already) that any app should work if the app is running and a phone call is received.

It would be good if someone could check to see if they have the same problem. Is there a way to disable the phone when using
an app?

UPDATE: Apparently the phone disabling the keyboard may be a Debian LXDE problem. I also opened the Debian LXDE from scratch
and tried typing in ROXterm. It worked before the call but not after.
As another check I opened the xterm form maemo desktop
and I could type before and after receiving a call.

rebhana 2010-05-03 18:30
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 640305)
The best time I got, assuming OOo is not opened" was about 35s to 36s to start typing. Rebhana, Just curious, is your n900 running at 600Mhz?
I'm not overclocking, but I measured the time just until the cursor started to blink. It takes a few extra seconds until typed in text appears, so your values look consistent with mine.

Quote:
While using OOo writer I got a phone call. This disabled the
keyboard. Fortunately, I could still get out of OOo using the
stylus. But when I reopened OOo writer, the keyboard still did not work. I tried to use the fix keyboard icon but it did not help.
If I then shutdown the Debian LXDE and then fire it up again OOo writer with keyboard worked.
I also duplicated this by calling the phone with OOo writer running. Perhaps this should be a standard test (if it is not already) that any app should work if the app is running and a phone call is received.

It would be good if someone could check to see if they have the same problem. Is there a way to disable the phone when using
an app?

UPDATE: Apparently the phone disabling the keyboard may be a Debian LXDE problem. I also opened the Debian LXDE from scratch
and tried typing in ROXterm. It worked before the call but not after.
As another check I opened the xterm form maemo desktop
and I could type before and after receiving a call.
There is a useful little app to quickly switch off phone and go to "tablet mode" (forgot its name).
Have you also tried OO outside of LXDE (from the application icon)? Or is that what you meant by the other check using "xterm"?

qole 2010-05-03 18:32
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Easy Debian needs approximately 0MB in rootfs.

EDIT:

Also, if you lose keyboard in LXDE, put LXDE on top and then hit the power key. Dismiss the power key menu by tapping outside the menu, on the blurred LXDE window. You should be able to type in LXDE now.

Is that trick not in the wiki? It should be.

mscion 2010-05-03 21:08
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 640905)
Easy Debian needs approximately 0MB in rootfs.

EDIT:

Also, if you lose keyboard in LXDE, put LXDE on top and then hit the power key. Dismiss the power key menu by tapping outside the menu, on the blurred LXDE window. You should be able to type in LXDE now.

Is that trick not in the wiki? It should be.
Ooops! I forgot about the "trick" For some reason the "Fix LXDE keyboard" didn't work and I didn't think to check the wiki. Thanks again.

DrSteve 2010-05-03 21:23
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Can I delete the image and reinstall it (without having to do anything else) with the "Deb Img Install" shortcut, if I ever just want to start over?

How safe is apt-get autoremove these days?

rebhana 2010-05-03 21:24
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 641219)
Ooops! I forgot about the "trick" For some reason the "Fix LXDE keyboard" didn't work and I didn't think to check the wiki. Thanks again.
So the power key trick works reliably even when the "Fix LXDE keyboard" fails? Can you confirm that? Then we should perhaps say so in the wiki where the two possibilities are mentioned on a par.

qole 2010-05-03 21:25
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
DrSteve: Yes, you can just delete the image and reinstall it. Make sure you "close" the chroot first, however!

Not sure what the apt-get autoremove comment is referring to. Inside the chroot? Or in Maemo? It would have no effect on the image file...

DrSteve 2010-05-03 21:26
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSteve (Post 641254)
Can I delete the image and then reinstall it (without having to do anything else) with the "Deb Img Install" shortcut, if I ever just want to start over?

How safe is apt-get autoremove these days?
Sorry, ignore the second question, I'm working from a list and fat-fingered the copy-paste.

DrSteve 2010-05-03 21:33
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Thanks for the info. I tried installing ms tt core fonts and it failed, had tried abiword and it did the blank screen thing, so I removed it and will do the Squeeze workaround later, but in the meantime I've got all these packages apt-get keeps telling me autoremove can take care of. Was thinking I might just blow the image away since all I really care about are OO, Gnumeric and R (which works like an absolute dream, let me tell you!). These last two installed perfectly, so I'm done experimenting.

rebhana 2010-05-03 21:33
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Apropos autoremove: I noticed that there is one package in the new image which apt-get says could be removed by apt-get autoremove: libdrm2. Is there a reason to keep it?

rebhana 2010-05-03 21:35
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSteve (Post 641272)
R (which works like an absolute dream, let me tell you!).
What is "R"?

DrSteve 2010-05-03 21:41
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
It's an open-source interpreter for the S language. Very very powerful statistical programming environment (I'm an econometrician). Data exploration, file reshaping, fuzzy data file joins, statistical analysis, you name it.

mscion 2010-05-04 12:00
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
At the risk of revealing my noobyness (I am sure I have already done this!)
what does "fremantle" mean?

mscion 2010-05-04 12:17
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 641256)

Have you also tried OO outside of LXDE (from the application icon)? Or is that what you meant by the other check using "xterm"?


So the power key trick works reliably even when the "Fix LXDE keyboard" fails? Can you confirm that? Then we should perhaps say so in the wiki where the two possibilities are mentioned on a par.

I have tried OO outside of LXDE but it is not, as of yet, set up the way I like. I like the Debian LXDE so I alway open OO from there.

xterm is on my maemo screen. It is just an xterminal.


Also, I repeated the phone test and, again, the Fix LXDE keyboard did not fix the problem. But the "trick" worked. So either I messed things up or they are different.

qole 2010-05-04 14:27
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
mscion: "Fremantle" is the code name for Maemo 5, the OS that runs on the N900. "Diablo" is the code name for Maemo 4.1, the OS that runs on the N800 and N810 (the N8x0) tablets.

I'll look into the Fix LXDE keyboard problem. Who wants to bet it is a localisation problem?

rebhana 2010-05-04 14:43
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 642453)
I'll look into the Fix LXDE keyboard problem. Who wants to bet it is a localisation problem?
Always those aliens... Actually I haven't experienced this problem yet, I should try whether I can provoke it.

Perhaps, however, it is another case in favor of "su -" ? :rolleyes:

mscion: Can you reproduce the keyboard problem when you start LXDE from the xterminal with "sudo debian su - user -c xephwm5" ?

mscion 2010-05-04 15:23
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 642492)
Always those aliens... Actually I haven't experienced this problem yet, I should try whether I can provoke it.

Perhaps, however, it is another case in favor of "su -" ? :rolleyes:

mscion: Can you reproduce the keyboard problem when you start LXDE from the xterminal with "sudo debian su - user -c xephwm5" ?
I tried your suggestion.

Unfortunately this problem did not provide evidence in favor of "su -"

It would be good to try it yourself to verify.

mscion 2010-05-04 15:29
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 642453)
mscion: "Fremantle" is the code name for Maemo 5, the OS that runs on the N900. "Diablo" is the code name for Maemo 4.1, the OS that runs on the N800 and N810 (the N8x0) tablets.

I'll look into the Fix LXDE keyboard problem. Who wants to bet it is a localisation problem?
Thanks. Btw, speaking of "codes", is "localization problem" a code for the user with the problem!

qole 2010-05-04 16:17
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 642453)
Who wants to bet it is a localisation problem?
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 642492)
Always those aliens...
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 642595)
Thanks. Btw, speaking of "codes", is "localization problem" a code for the user with the problem!
No, since I only speak English, I forget that others have their devices set to non-English language settings, and this can cause problems. The keyboard hack at LXDE startup caused quite a few problems for some users, because I assumed that everyone would have a dialogue box titled, "Information"... :(

So always keep your eyes open for bugs caused by non-English text...

rebhana 2010-05-04 19:40
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 640305)
While using OOo writer I got a phone call. This disabled the
keyboard. Fortunately, I could still get out of OOo using the
stylus. But when I reopened OOo writer, the keyboard still did not work. I tried to use the fix keyboard icon but it did not help.
I also get this behavior, but how did you even get to the fix keyboard icon when the keyboard is disabled since Ctrl+Backspace is also disabled? I had to use the shortcutd app which lets me access the task manager through the camera button. Then I can get to the Maemo application manager, and after pressing the fix keyboard icon I get the "Information" window of LXDE without LXDE. When I then maximize LXDE from the task manager, the keyboard indeed is not fixed. But this is anyway such an awkward procedure compared to the power button trick that I think the fix keyboard app could just be thrown out.

rebhana 2010-05-04 20:16
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Btw, what about including the information about the power button trick in the startup information window in place of the information that this window is a technical necessity?

mscion 2010-05-04 20:34
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 643170)
I also get this behavior, but how did you even get to the fix keyboard icon when the keyboard is disabled since Ctrl+Backspace is also disabled? I had to use the shortcutd app which lets me access the task manager through the camera button. Then I can get to the Maemo application manager, and after pressing the fix keyboard icon I get the "Information" window of LXDE without LXDE. When I then maximize LXDE from the task manager, the keyboard indeed is not fixed. But this is anyway such an awkward procedure compared to the power button trick that I think the fix keyboard app could just be thrown out.
That was certainly a circuitous route! In my case the Ctrl+Backspace
was NOT disabled so I could easily get to the FIX keyboard. As a guess, it might be something subtle with how you've redone the key mapping. Or perhaps this a manifestation of the "localization problem" qole mentioned as your keyboard is not US.
Anyways, for me, the FIX keyboard has not been useful so far. That
is not to say it may not come in handy as an option in the future. Btw, I've discovered a second "trick" that qole might want to include in the wiki. If all else fails, instead of tapping the power button once. Hold down that same button for a few seconds. Wait a little bit and then press it down again. Amazingly it fixes everything!

rebhana 2010-05-04 21:43
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 643269)
That was certainly a circuitous route! In my case the Ctrl+Backspace
was NOT disabled so I could easily get to the FIX keyboard. As a guess, it might be something subtle with how you've redone the key mapping. Or perhaps this a manifestation of the "localization problem" qole mentioned as your keyboard is not US.
Anyways, for me, the FIX keyboard has not been useful so far. That
is not to say it may not come in handy as an option in the future.
I just had a loss of the keyboard without a phone call and there Ctrl+Backspace was not disabled. Provoking it again by phone call, Ctrl+Backspace was again disabled.
Quote:
Btw, I've discovered a second "trick" that qole might want to include in the wiki. If all else fails, instead of tapping the power button once. Hold down that same button for a few seconds. Wait a little bit and then press it down again. Amazingly it fixes everything!
I also tried your second trick. It switched my phone off. That certainly fixes everything! :p

EDIT: This "trick" had a funny side effect: When I launched LXDE next time after this hard shutdown quite a few things had changed: All windows started without title bar and located in the upper left area so that everything else was covered, and, to make it even worse, Ctrl+. didn't work any longer so that I couldn't move those windows away from that position :eek: Fortunately, everything was back to normal after a shutdown and restart of LXDE.

mscion 2010-05-05 10:51
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 643414)
I just had a loss of the keyboard without a phone call and there Ctrl+Backspace was not disabled. Provoking it again by phone call, Ctrl+Backspace was again disabled.
Did you try the Fix Keyboard app when you lost the keyboard
without the phone call?

Dousan 2010-05-05 14:59
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi qole creativetone brought up a good quistion in the Mypaint fremantle thread about touchscreen pressure sensitivity in LXDE. Is that possible to do so you can use it in Gimp and Mypaint inside LXDE like you can in the Mypaint for fremantle 0.7.1?

rebhana 2010-05-05 17:09
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 644385)
Did you try the Fix Keyboard app when you lost the keyboard
without the phone call?
Unfortunately, no. But I know it worked previously for me. I'll check at the next occasion.

qole 2010-05-05 17:18
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
I have yet to figure out how to get pressure sensitivity to work inside Gimp on any of the Maemo devices. Unless someone gives me some hints, I don't know what to try next.

And it is even less likely that it will work in LXDE, since it is running in a lightweight nested X server that probably doesn't transmit the pressure values. But I could be wrong...

Sorry... :(

Dousan 2010-05-05 17:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Don't be sorry it would just be an extra bonus and who knows maybe somebody knows how to. If not it's still one great app :D

andyph666 2010-05-06 03:04
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
So I've reinstalled a lot of stuff with the new v3d image or whatever the latest one is. I've gotten the no disc space message. I've done localepurge, deleted /usr/share/docs to get some more space. Is there anything else I could do? How would I increase the image size to 3.5 or 3 gb? Thanks.

wmurpht 2010-05-06 17:26
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaii (Post 546804)
2. In open office, I opened up Styles and Formatting on a spread sheet, and now it is stuck on that screen...like permanently, even if I restart the phone :S Any shortcut or secret way to get out of it?
I have the same problem, when I start open office from the desktop and open a document i am stuck with Styles and Formatting and cannot get rid of it. When I start open office from LXDE and open a document I do not have this problem, but it doesn't seem to address how to close Styles and Formatting when starting open office from the desktop. Any body have any hints on how to close Styles and Formatting? I would rather start open office from my desktop rather that having to go into LXDE first.

Thanks

qole 2010-05-06 17:42
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
wmurpht:

Run "Set Deb HW Keys" and then you can toggle the Styles and Formatting by pressing Fn (blue arrow) + Shift + "=" (top row, second from right). This is mapped to F11.

That should be in the wiki, probably. Maybe under FAQ?

(EDIT: After trying it a few times, it seems to work best when you press the Fn key and then rock your finger down to press the Shift key as well; it doesn't seem to work pressing Shift first)

rebhana 2010-05-06 20:13
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyph666 (Post 645641)
So I've reinstalled a lot of stuff with the new v3d image or whatever the latest one is. I've gotten the no disc space message. I've done localepurge, deleted /usr/share/docs to get some more space. Is there anything else I could do? How would I increase the image size to 3.5 or 3 gb? Thanks.
You could use a memory card to make an ext2 partition and copy the contents of the Debian image into it and having that mounted. If you make an ext2 or ext3 partition on a memory card, you should also make a small token FAT partition to make Maemo happy, I've been told.

mscion 2010-05-06 21:04
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Hi qole,

minor stuff:

I noticed that from the Debian LXDE that the My Documents folder cannot be moved with the stylus. Is that by design? Is there a way to do that from some option on the tool bar or right clicking. I checked the wiki but didn't see anything. Anyways, I was just trying to move the icon away from the tool bar because they over lap a little.

Also I am not able to create a folder on the Debian desktop using a "right click" with the stylus. On the other hand, if I open the My Documents folder I can make a New Folder in that window with the right click using the stylus. Is this how it is currently set up to work?

qole 2010-05-06 22:29
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
mscion: That "My Documents" icon is an LXDE thing. I don't like that you can't place it where you like on your desktop, either. If anyone knows a way to place it elsewhere (or maybe just get rid of it altogether), could you tell us how?

rebhana 2010-05-07 08:28
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 646791)
Run "Set Deb HW Keys" and then you can toggle the Styles and Formatting by pressing Fn (blue arrow) + Shift + "=" (top row, second from right). This is mapped to F11.

That should be in the wiki, probably. Maybe under FAQ?

(EDIT: After trying it a few times, it seems to work best when you press the Fn key and then rock your finger down to press the Shift key as well; it doesn't seem to work pressing Shift first)
I've expanded the corresponding info in the wiki and linked a FAQ item to it. Please check!

mscion 2010-05-07 14:09
Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 643414)

EDIT: This "trick" had a funny side effect: When I launched LXDE next time after this hard shutdown quite a few things had changed: All windows started without title bar and located in the upper left area so that everything else was covered, and, to make it even worse, Ctrl+. didn't work any longer so that I couldn't move those windows away from that position :eek: Fortunately, everything was back to normal after a shutdown and restart of LXDE.
rebhana, qole: Not so funny. LXDE should always be shutdown before turning off the N900. Sorry about that.

wmurpht 2010-05-07 15:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 646791)
wmurpht:

Run "Set Deb HW Keys" and then you can toggle the Styles and Formatting by pressing Fn (blue arrow) + Shift + "=" (top row, second from right). This is mapped to F11.
No luck being able to toggle the F11 keys after starting open office from the regular desktop. Going to install latest image tonight and see what happens.


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