Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Windows Emulator
or
Wine Is Not an Emulator

You decide.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread but we don't know yet what equipment Jolla is going to use, how big the screen is going to be, how powerful and what type the processor is.

Just for sake of discussion for the new Jolla phones if we could have a wine like thingy for windows phone 8 and ACL for android plus qt and html5 why not?

How about this kickstand on a Jolla device?
http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/09/02/r...ures-included/
or have it be part of a case shipped with the phone and the case also has this as part of it http://www.redferret.net/?p=32993


Really wish my N9 had a kickstand so I'm kicking around ideas on how to machine myself a new case with kickstand for the n9 since I'm a student in machinist class and I'm making fast progress in Mastercam.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To my knowledge, Jolla have not explicitly stated what architecture they will use in their handsets.
Given that the core os has builds for both arm and x86, either could present as an option.
HTML5 may still present as an option through qt webkit and there may be a strategic reason for the 2013 release target if there is a plan to provide application compatibility with the likes of BB10 which will release around the same time.
It owuld be interesting to see if the android compatibility layer that is planned for QNX/BB10 could be ported across to Mer.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Mer has builds for MIPS too. Conspiracy theories emerging? ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To avoid confusion I already said above that it doesn't emulate the CPU instructions. It does emulate Windows behavior though, while not being Windows. So while it's not an emulator of the CPU, it is an emulator of Windows (which can't run on non x86 archs). Emulator can mean different things, not only emulating some CPU architecture on another.

Sorry for offtopic.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

When do we expect official news from Jolla? There's so much rumors ATM, I decided to ignore it all and wait for the next official preff release or such.

Any ideas when that could be?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Reading through this thread, and seeing some outcries about Jolla being vaporware company I think some people do not realize how much time does it take to design & manufacture a device + code a decent UI for it. Give them time, dammit!
If they manage to show us something good or even release a product before x-mass I'd call it a great achievement. Also, I'd rather wait to see something polished and thought-through rather than some rushed product, to satisfy impatient part of the market...
And agreeing with benny1967 - let's wait for some official news.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It surprised me somewhat that they made some vague announcements before creating a site and etc. That's unusual to say the least. They might have wanted to attract some attention, but it creates confusion at the same time. Well, at least they did manage to capture attention.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, It won't be before Iphone 5 announcment but before end of the year. remove christmas week. This gives you a window on around 55 days. Just pick a day.

Jollamobile wont release a phone, they will release a concept ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

so I can finally make use of my old PS2?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The android compatibility layer is already available on PlayBook 2.x and while I don't like Android apps, it very much works out of the box.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Came back after months to this thread. Sweet.
Was starting to miss this community after being swallowed by the Android monster :(

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

OMG!

I can finally have my pocket sized Silicon Graphics Workstation. I'll start making FX for Jurassic Park VIII right away.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, but: it's a Un^H Linux system, you know this. :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

China, mips... has sense... :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So with the current situation of the Vivaldi and I would have no problem offering OT for general forum use.

I had originally envisioned OT to be more general OpenSource OS on mobile devices anyway. I would be happy to add sections and work with the community to provide what is necessary.

-Maze

EDIT:
I guess I should mention that I am the one that put together and runs OpenTablets.org
Current thread: http://opentablets.org/topic/70-call...page__pid__588

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Couldn't agree more, all the off-topic banter is a joke....

Would've been nice if we heard back from Jolla about that*, council forwarded the link to Jolla, but we only hear about this now from you :rolleyes:
Why not address each point they can't answer & explain briefly why they can't, & for the remainder they can given a more substantive response, what's the problem?
There's no rush for them to answer ANY of it yet, we understand it's still an evolving situation, perhaps they need more time before they can address it all properly.
But in that case they should at least communicate that....

*or via the council if they really thinks that's necessary, instead of just responding directly in the document.

As I understand it the council's allowed to use maemo.org, but there's still come question over trademark etc, & if it will ever be released.
Stemming from this discussion, a dedicated thread's been started to determine a name for the NFP entity that's now being created.
Once that name's decided we can register a domain based on it, create a community site, & perhaps even sub-sites for all MeR derivatives & NIT.
At the moment most are going for Aeolos, see explanation, but maybe something relating to MeR is better :confused:

The more I think about it though.....
The more I think we should adopt a more descriptive name than these weird mythological names, & names derived from MeeGo (e.g. MeR).
One example = openphablet.org
It doesn't necessarily mean a portal for phablets, it's just a conjunction of phone & tablet, meaning a portal for open phones & tablets. Or perhaps OpenDevices.org?
Problem is, obvious names like that are almost always taken, so we're going to have to be more abstract, but not necessarily back to mythological names.
I'm not against mythological names per-say, but 1st I think we need to agree on whether we want everything lumped together (as asked below), then we can decide on a name.

BUT, do we really want all MeR derivatives & NIT on the one site, maybe some derivatives or NIT aren't happy with that, would it create too much distraction/noise?
Isn't it possible that some derivatives will become very different, even "under the hood", at which point it makes little sense for them to share the same community/resources?
Anyway, it's best to continue discussing all that here, this thread's about Jolla...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That was actually the first domain I wanted, but its already taken

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, lot's of domains are taken. Something like mobilitylibre.org is available, but it's not as catching as opendevices.org

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

cross posting here.. I still want to see this used some how

TMO

Talk.MOS.Org

MOS = Maemo operating systems

Then the "old too much orange" jokes can still be valid?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Best-off keeping it in the other thread only rather than splitting the discussion.
This thread's only about Jolla....

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

there is an hackevent with jolla+devamo 8sep if i remember right?, lets hope they give small updates in some way :)

and then if all goes well there will be Qt 5 release in november and hopeffully some more info from jolla there too.

but i doubt we will see any announcement this year but in the meantime we can play with nemo/mer on n9xx ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

By the way in case anyone missed it QT5 beta was released a couple days ago.
Since Jolla encourages us to use and contribute to Nemo I think this guy's post in the Nemo thread is worth bringing up here as the link he gives is about Nemo guys discussing with pictures how to design the UI to make it better than swype or anything else out there.

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While you might be right, it doesn't instill confidence to build up your reputation and then make people talk about it for an extended period of time without seeing trickle of evidence or a release. It DOES start to resemble many similarly failed, shady or vaporous things along these lines in the past and I think it can be understood why people are beginning to think this way, even if you're right--which you might very well be.

I'm to understand that InternetTabletTalk.com is still owned by this forum? :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Samsung dominated last week, nokia this week, and Apple next week...After that is all jolla.

JOOOOOOOOLLLLAAAAA...TROOOOOLLLAAAA

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

sometime google links still point to InternetTabletTalk.com addresses, event for recent subjects, so I guess the domain is still nokia's or something close.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

internettablettalk.com is re-routed to tmo so its still nokia's property...

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Jolla, Made in Finland eventually?: http://suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/talo...npanon-salossa (sorry, in Finnish).

Short summary: Jolla thinks about assembling phones in Nokia's old factory in Salo. First phone will be assembled in China by some OEM but it is possible that they would also have production in Salo later.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Finnish newspaper has interviewed Jollas CEO Jussi Hurmola, and they write that first Jolla phone is intended to come to markets this autumn.

Article here in Finnish:
http://suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/talo...npanon-salossa

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I read the longer print version earlier today. Its mostly article about new finnish high-tech startups and how they are building their business. Jolla was the one they chose for the cover and started the article with.

Only new tidbit was the possibility of making phones in the future in Salo. I got the impression that there were no current plans. Something along the lines of "If we are succesfull, then we'll grow and start manufacturing in Europe as well". He also said that manufacturing stuff in Europe would be good for marketing/corporate image.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Has anyone made a list of what they'd expect from a Jolla phone feature-wise? Being based on GNU/Linux is nice, but it could still repeat all the mistakes other systems make at the moment... and be yet another boring clone.

I thought about my current usage patterns and guess I'd expect (as many as possible out of):

• file exchange (both directions) via USB
• file exchange (both directions) via bluetooth
• FM radio TX/RX
• SD card slot
• standard compliant UMTS features such as MMS and 3G video calls
• built-in syncML support
• framework for instant messaging that can be extended by third party applications (like N900)
• framework for file sharing that can be extended by 3rd party applikations (like N900)
• multitasking without restrictions
• home screens with widgets, like symbian/maemo
• hardware keyboard
• self-contained, no dependency on any specific cloud service or PC software (like itunes or zune)
• free software can be deployed in various stages (like -dev, -testing)

Other things that people think are necessary?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

BT w/ PBAP.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Copy and paste everywhere! AND I MEAN EVERYWHEEEERE!


and a keyboard like n900 or better OC. and if they cant handle that ARROW-keys on the onscreen keyboard!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Swirl to zoom everywhere! AND I MEAN EVERYWHEEEERE!

pinch to zoom is so 2007

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

sync, sync, sync, on open/standard interfaces.
I want calendar, contacts, im logs (including sms), mails and all to be syncable with standard (ie, of my choosing) services.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You're all expecting way too much, folks.

What do we know? Well, we know that Jolla have signed a distribution deal with a Chinese retail channel. Also, in the most recent interview, they talk about capturing a part of the Chinese market. It's pretty clear that Jolla are looking at China as their target market, and that has obvious implications. That means there is no chance of a hardware keyboard, certainly not as their launch device. Trying to sell a device with a hardware keyboard in China would be like selling ice to an Eskimo.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Hope jolla launches a phone like the leaked N9 qwerty keyboard. Now that's sexy

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I don't know about Chinese, but you can write in Japanese on a normal QWERTY keyboard just fine (you write the words phonetically and select the correct written version; to write "a cat", you just write "neko" and it automatically changes it to 猫, the kanji for cat). This is how the Japanese write long texts on their PCs without the need for a 1800+ kanji keyboard. :)

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Yeah, but Japanese has the advantage of a standard phonetic syllabary (along with the Kana characters to go with it; and a Kana keyboard is pretty doable, it seems). As I understand it though, Chinese dialects have extreme variations in pronunciation of words, and moreover, there's no standardized way to even write the phonetic form of words in China (though I may be wrong about that). The real advantage of the Chinese writing system is that it allows you to write a word without worrying (or even knowing) how to say it... :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You know what they say.

Prepare for the best, expect even better.

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This is what people are expecting in a phone.

From http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple...ly-low_id34229

"Additionally, the study found that 19% of smarpthone users bought their device based on price, but the top key factors in determining the satisfaction level with a device banked heavily on performance (33%), followed by physical design (23%), features (22%), and ease of operation (22%)."