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You da man. Lets see how stocks perform! The ultimate decider!!

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Both Nokia and Microsoft are falling. Look at Google and Apple's stock. Amazon is... well, a mixed bag. So not exactly the best example there. Yet.

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You don't remember this? It was the old "Nokia on the bring of failure" thread:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...33#post1194633

I just remembered raising my eyebrows when I'd read it the first time and wondering how THAT would end up--just to see them QUICKLY backpedal as soon as they realized their error. :)

You are totally full of WIN and AWESOME for correct recollection! :)

Amazon, intelligently, vastly diversifies and makes sure to maintain a strong hold over their strengths regardless of how the other divisions and projects of the company perform. That has worked out pretty well for them, keeping them buoyant while branching out.

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Nokia to sell mobiles business; sell assets to MS and Huawei in 2013 :eek:

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I doubt that, but does mapping included in the mobile divisions or in services? The map is one of the greatest things at NOKIA atm(low end phones as well). That would be great for almost every vendor to get their hands on that, except possibly google.

Any estimations of how many people working with maps and related stuff at nokia. Where is the main R&D for this located?

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Maps should come under software solutions ;)

Nokia to sell mobiles business to focus on software and services

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Yeah, that's right, America is the only developed country in the world :rolleyes:

You still haven't explained why NOKIA didn't opt for Android for us inhabitants of the third world though. We may have to walk for days in our rags and bare feet just to get a bucket full of dirty water but we're not so desperate we want Windows Phones.

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Dumbramos, if you read the whole thread, you would realize that I said to qgil that I am device agnostic and had no interest in having any part in Lumias. Nice try to disinform.

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I have. They chose an up and coming platform, hoping to be the main player as opposed to one of the many players in android and they got exclusivity to certain things. Perhaps they should have produced both Windows and Androids. They wisely chose to focus on one and android wasn't going to treat them differently than other manufacturers. The problem with Nokia in the past was too many different devices and OSs, and not enough focus to excel in anything.

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Heyup Switch

I am told that if you skin a rabbit just right you can then sew the skin around your feet to make handy moccasins.

Where I come from we have lots of rabbits.

rgds

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Nokia RabbitSkin ® moccasins would've been better plan than betting on Microsoft's continual - over decade long- failure efforts on the mobile.




Hq and most of the work for mapping data is based in the USA (former Navteq units). Map end user software stuff is centered in Berlin. Smaller units at least in Finland, possibly in other Nokia locations as well.

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Interesting read: http://mynokiablog.com/2013/01/03/in...00-production/

So the N9 was running on the Snapdragon chip and the Lumia is really the fake N9 :D Elop seems to have scrapped it running on a Snapdragon chip so that he could make Lumia on it as well as discouraging a replacement of WP i.e. if Harmattan was running on a Snapdragon chip considering the limited availability of the N9, Lumia 800s would have been bought and had their OS replaced by many users...

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The stock is up, bucking the trend. Could it be the Nokia catwalk:)

http://www.gsmarena.com/aluminum_nok...-news-5284.php

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Hi uTMY,
Thanks for your invaluable advice, I shall hunt down a couple of rabbits forthwith.

As you can see below the city of my birth is extremely primitive. I used to wake up every morning sobbing wishing I'd been born in the world's one and only developed country
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...._Mary%27s.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...0_55904569.jpg
http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s...yond-morph.jpg Take a look ;-)
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/...bridge_cap.jpg
http://img2.photographersdirect.com/.../pd2889506.jpg

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@ Lumiaman

I was just reading TA's blog, I saw this and thought of you:
"Symbian was the bestselling smartphone OS in Latin America (which has more mobile phone users than North America) and the bestselling smartphone OS in Europe (which is bigger than Latin America); and the bestselling smartphone OS of Africa (which has more mobile users than North and Latin America combined); and the bestselling smartphones OS of Asia (bigger than North America, Latin America, Europe, Australia and Africa - combined)."

Here's something else you might find interesting:
"Nokia sold 103.6 million smartphones in 2010. Nokia GREW smartphone sales in 2010 by 53% from the year before. Nokia added 35.8 million new smartphone customers during 2010, compared to 22.4 million new smartphone customers added by Apple, 17.0 million added by Samsung and 13.4 million added by RIM."

This is quite an interesting blog post, it reveals Elop and the board new exactly the possible (imo inevitable) outcome of deprecating Symbian/MeeGo and adopting Windows Phone yet they carried on and did so anyway without even having a plan B.

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Hi Switch

:-)

Me too, I used to dream of upgrading my cave but now that Lumia has enlightened me I have decided I shall be sticking with my cave as it doesn't have any ....

rgds

ps. I am told that if you put what comes out of the rabbit skins on something called fire it apparently makes something called food.

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Thanks of thinking of me. The operative word is WAS,WAS,WAS. Symbian WAS the king. That same year Samsung and SONY ericsson abandoned Symbian. Why? Because unlike dysfunctional Nokia, pre-Elop board, they saw that Symbian WAS the king and it was time to run for the hills. Your little blog is another delusion.

Have you finished college or more advanced education?

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/20673..._platform.html


It's interesting that Elop joined Nokia at the same time, but unlike Samsung and Sony he chose WP.

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I'm rubber and you're glue...
whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you...

Yes. I graduated college... despite my behavior.

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U da man!!!

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July 2010 article, pre-Elop era again

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20037...ne_misses.html

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Motorola abandoned Symbian in 2008!!!!!!

http://www.zdnet.com/motorola-ditche...fs-3039539063/

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We can only speculate, my guess would be:

Symbian was too much under a competitors (NOKIA's) control whereas Google/Android was seen as neutral. I have read any third-party submission to the Symbian Foundation's code base needed NOKIA's approval and that was rarely given.

Symbian made hardware integration difficult, Android made it much easier and processors and RAM in smartphones had reached the level they could take up the slack of a less efficient OS.



In 2010 NOKIA and Symbian attracted more new customers than either Apple or Samsung. Not delusion, verifiable fact. In Q1 2011 Elop deprecates Symbian/MeeGo. Not delusion, verifiable fact. You should try working with facts, you'll struggle at first but I'm sure you'll the hang of it.

If you actually read and understood the blog you'd know Elop and the board had explicitly stated in a report they submitted to the NYSE there was a risk carriers, retailers and consumers would drop support for NOKIA's existing products once they announced their new Windows Phone strategy, they also stated once support for the brand had been dropped they might not be able to regain it. And so it came to pass.

I was sure Elop must have known that outcome was very much on the cards, now it's verified.

They also stated they were aware Windows Phone had already failed to gain any significant traction in the market.

They spelled out all the reasons it was a really crap strategy and then went ahead with it anyway :rolleyes:

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You are still not getting it? The board new that Symbian days were numbered and they brought Elop to make the transition. Nokia itself knew that Symbian was dying. They sold so many phones because they kept cutting the prices, but the end was written all over the wall. Everyone was abandoning it. Or perhaps you knew the inner workings of Nokia better than the leaders themselves....somehow I doubt it.

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I put a link there--everyone else can go ahead and read it and form their own opinion. Nice try at spinning the way it happened, though, but even the others reading the current thread pointed it out. It was a pretty fun re-read. :)

Oh God, I didn't realize how bad it was. Do you need donations or anything? I hope you aren't forced to eat the awful things that grow up from the ground in such a dreadful place. :)

They both ran for the hills! ...Toward which successful OS? Was it Windows Phone? Was it? How comparatively well did the Symbian-dropping companies do that DID adopt Windows Phone versus the ones that went with some other OS other than Windows Phone (you can name any competitor to compare to)?

No, the end was written on the press releases and statements that Elop made. Until then, Symbian was doing fine compared to all other competitors, even Android and iPhone until Elop's appalling public blathering about a burning platform, which I'd argue only turned it into a self-fulfilling prophesy rather than an accurate accounting of what, even now, still is far more popular platform than Windows Phone has proven itself to be.

You keep telling everyone else they're not getting it but it's pretty clear you're in a severe minority arguing for a platform of severe minority.

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hey guys, can you please tell me what OS is the best?

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Hey I call schenanigans, Dave is off off topic.

:-)

rgds

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This is a stock thread, not an OS thread. So quality is offtopic, but quantity isn't.

Anyway, from the articles I've been reading about Ubuntu for Phones the last two days, it seems that the consensus is that MeeGo was best. This from American tech bloggers. Funny, N900 and MeeGo keeps getting mentioned. Not the N9.

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Nice try to disinform again. Here is my response to qgil per verbatim:

"Thanks for the link. I own multiple devices and although I think Lumia is a good product, I am not fanatic to push for it. My main phone is still iPhone 4s, due to its resolution, typing ease, smoothness, and the fact that I can manipulate font sizes. With regards to Nokia phones, I like both Lumia and n9. Lumia is a great touchstone for simple masses, and n9 is good effort but still not good enough as I enumerated on numerous posts. I just don't like over saturated amoled colors."

Are you related to Furloughed Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf? You and him share a lot when it comes to stating facts

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So you like the N9? Saturated colors same on L800 or N9... Oh I see to official Nokia staff you say you like the N9 but here you call it a taliban phone... What a hypocrite...

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Oh my, we have another Minister of Information here.......this was prior to the pr1.3 update, we were all hoping for improvements that didnt come. Another proof that Jolla cant hack it, and it became a classic Taliban phone. Full of promise, all dressed up, but too reeeetarded to go anywhere.

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Well you were ******ed at that point already so stop spreading FUD about pr1.3 etc etc...

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Its a dead product so who cares anyways. Nobody wanted it. Should have been aborted prior to launch, if you ask me.

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Uh oh:

Attachment 30475

http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Pre...mScore+News%29

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@Lumiaman

ooo

The facts are not looking so good for you Lumiaman.

Actually Lumiaman the reason I am here is because I like Maemo (or more correctly a decent attempt at a nearly proper Linux) on Nokia hardware, it is not a dead product as far as I am concerned, it still continues to meet my needs.

I have no particular issues with Nokia and if they are able to make a successful WP8 phone then good luck to them but I am seriously miffed that they chose to do so at the expense of my requirements and I very much doubt they will succeed anymore than Microsoft accomplished with Zune, or any of the other WPn flavours.

I do believe that the industry has moved on from Microsoft and it is only application infrastructure intertia and quite frankly, distasteful patent tactics that is allowing them to slow the hemorrhaging of any semblance of mindshare.

rgds

ps. In case you hadn't worked it out, not being from a third world country and all that, the reason I am not going to upgrade my cave is because it doesn't have "Windows".

Just thought I'd spell that out for you.

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while TA will cry that symbian app store was the greatest (in terms of size he might even be right) it was the most tiresome for devs. so many symbian versions (s30/40/60/v3/v5) even if one Nokia phone had a good app it was EXTREMELY unlikely devs spent extra 3x more work to support all keyboard layouts/screen resolutions etc. Fragmentation was killing symbian from start. iOS with single form/design factor was killing it, elop could release 20 memos, wouldn't hurt it as much as that single fact did. NOK control or APPL... discuss if you want, but APPL didn't make it less controlled to win.

You should also take these numbers with a bit of salt. TA gives numbers for Q4/Q1, while a slump is visible this way, the slowing growth (thanks to the greatest failed and superbly marketed concepts of N97/mini) would be much more visible with monthly data. Feb announcement is 2 months into the failure Q1. Q4 might look good (which TA abuses to make his point) but was also slowing down rapidly. The memo wasn't an unsupported leak. A lot of people with instant access to the data decided a change to strategy was vital. If Q2/Q3 released devices were a hit you'd not see any big change in sale figures. People still buy good products. Blaming it all on Elop is good narrative for TA, fact is few flagship devices were very sub-par and NOK was getting out of touch (I do agree memo had some part to it, but definitely not as that guy is proposing/interpreting)

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Yes, live in pink Tomi's world where everyone was happy with Nokia and the words 'burning platform' came out of nowhere. It is not that every analyst was scared of how fast sales were dropping (from June/July so by the time Q4 hit the praised Tomi growth was FAR FAR FAR below expectations). solution to stopping the train of NOK fanboys (were there any at the time or were all expected to be rebuyers, hence his deductions about stopping a train of users out of Nokia is just as misleading) leaving to other platforms was in Tomi's pink history: stick to your 'best'

Yeah. Nokia failed symbian products had nothing to do with it. Tomi's crazy sounding calling Elop idiot 3-4 times, ****** 2 more, calling for investigation 10+... so professional... aside from lunacy in his post judge his appraisals: Symbian as top app market, lol. Nokia going further downhill (how many as Tomi is now, discussed 'burning platform'? somehow consensus at the time was NOK was losing massively to iOS, people discussed the strategy not the whole pink world Tomi is painting currently, everyone knew Symbian was dead). I am yet to see how TA replies to overwhelming 920 adoption, so far he claims it is astroturfers and deletes comments that tend to point his weaknesses. Buy his book, definitely best nostradamus rerelease around

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Oh my, switch hitter and utmy got slam dunked.....oh my

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On the good front, Nokia stock is up to $4.2

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Is this a good thing?

Nokia Oyj Stock Sell Recommendation Reiterated (NOK)