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aironeous 2013-05-11 23:20
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Found it
http://tech.qq.com/a/20130508/000091.htm

willi6868 2013-05-11 23:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1342927)
It's impossible to understand this 'english' of the spokesman at the beginning:D

Edit: Ok it's the bad acustics.. but nice to see the video :)

Edit2:
Marc doesn't glimpse the phone in this video :(

any other videos out there?!

shmerl 2013-05-12 02:44
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Just another N950 demonstrated.

ed00 2013-05-12 03:02
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Don't care about apps. And the last thing i need is something from Android. The whole obsession with apps will go away if there going to be fully supported browser and upgradable. Hopefully Jolla will give something close at least.

Ken-Young 2013-05-12 04:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1342854)
[...]
Instead it may hurt them. Because developers will port even less apps to Silica and instead saying "hey, you can install our Android version on your device" and then the endusers wonder why on earth he bought this jolladevice when none of the apps is using the swipeUI etc...

Personally I will not install ANY android apps on my device.
[...]
I think you're being unrealistic, if you expect popular apps to quickly appear on Sailfish phones. If you have an app running on Android and iOS, you're already supporting the vast majority of modern mobile phones. If you want to cover the market more completely, Windows 8 would be a sensible next platform to support. The next logical choice would be Blackberry. Even Tizen would appear on the list before Sailfish, since Tizen is backed by very rich companies.

You will have the choice of not installing Android apps, and by supporting Android there's a chance Jolla will be successful enough to keep providing you that choice in the future.

Dave999 2013-05-12 05:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1342922)
Great, we have another countdown. Keep it up!

mikecomputing 2013-05-12 09:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1342943)
Just another N950 demonstrated.
maybe IT IS n950 device they will announce LOL

mikecomputing 2013-05-12 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1342950)
I think you're being unrealistic, if you expect popular apps to quickly appear on Sailfish phones. If you have an app running on Android and iOS, you're already supporting the vast majority of modern mobile phones. If you want to cover the market more completely, Windows 8 would be a sensible next platform to support. The next logical choice would be Blackberry. Even Tizen would appear on the list before Sailfish, since Tizen is backed by very rich companies.

You will have the choice of not installing Android apps, and by supporting Android there's a chance Jolla will be
successful enough to keep providing you that choice in the future.
nope I still don't see anything positive with android support. Instead peiple will start whine when x/y/z android app still does not work ob.sailfish cause incompability.

kumary 2013-05-12 09:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1342973)
maybe IT IS n950 device they will announce LOL
With the updated hardware like snapdragon Krait processor, 2GB RAM, more internal memory, SDcard support, better screen, better camera, better GPU and better build quality... it will be fine :P

Cheers ;)

qwazix 2013-05-12 10:01
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In general, while I'd love to see some hacker creating compatibility mode like preenv or apkenv I am not convinced that it is good for Jolla and us users to be an official feature.

marxian 2013-05-12 11:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kumary (Post 1342975)
With the updated hardware like snapdragon Krait processor, 2GB RAM, more internal memory, SDcard support, better screen, better camera, better GPU and better build quality... it will be fine :P

Cheers ;)
They also need to move the CTRL key to the left-hand side of the keyboard. :)

Screen is pretty good on the N950. No over-saturated colours like on OLED screens. Build quality is also quite good. I agree about the rest, though I don't care much about the camera.

Dave999 2013-05-12 11:42
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They also need to add arrows to their standard keyboard...anything else?

Oh yeah, A n900 charger! not the new ones with very short cables. N900 cable length is a minimum if you are a vendor that cares about the customer!

What else?

marxian 2013-05-12 11:47
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The question is, who are Jolla appealing to with the official support for Android applications?

Joe Sixpack won't even have Jolla on his radar, so there's no chance of getting his money. He only wants one device, and if he cares about appz, that will likely be an Android device, or an iPhone.

The only people I see purchasing a Jolla device on the basis of Android support, are those that already have several devices lying on their coffee table. They are intrigued by the Jolla device, but are not quite willing to purchase one unless it provides the appz that they are used to having on those other devices.

I think the latter group are relatively small in number, though they are over-represented in the tech-blog bubble. Android application support will get Jolla a few more column inches on Engadget, but that's about it.

nokiabot 2013-05-12 11:48
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Acl shoudnt be given offical priority i think .
Coz its hypying the already overhyped.
May the native apps devlopment go down?
Its always nice to have functionablity with usability though
jolla or golla shoud have anounced that thing after device launch at least as a installable file that emulates fart apps.

Dave999 2013-05-12 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1342989)
The question is, who are Jolla appealing to with the official support for Android applications?

Joe Sixpack won't even have Jolla on his radar, so there's no chance of getting his money. He only wants one device, and if he cares about appz, that will likely be an Android device, or an iPhone.

The only people I see purchasing a Jolla device on the basis of Android support, are those that already have several devices lying on their coffee table. They are intrigued by the Jolla device, but are not quite willing to purchase one unless it provides the appz that they are used to having on those other devices.

I think the latter group are relatively small in number, though they are over-represented in the tech-blog bubble. Android application support will get Jolla a few more column inches on Engadget, but that's about it.

agree. average kebab-Joe with only one phone should def not buy the first jolla device. This is a "demo" device with so many holes to fill by skilled devs like Marxian and many others. I doubt even the most hardcore hacker will be satisfied. This is a TOY! Don't buy this as a working tool or your only device. I'm pretty sure its working for very few...

Android, well. If you want android you have android devices. To me its not about running actual android devices but taking a first step to remove restriction when it comes to Ecosystems.

nodevel 2013-05-12 12:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1342927)
It looks like they have changed the icons.
Now they have interesting shapes, but during those few seconds I couldn't notice if there is any particular pattern...

EDIT: OK, the pattern seems to be - an icon has X sharp corners (0<=X<=4) and 4-X round corners. :)

Artyom 2013-05-12 12:49
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the canceled jolla disc phone: :P
http://o1305.hizliresim.com/19/d/mzvzd.png

nodevel 2013-05-12 13:12
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So, this is how SailfishOS icons should look like (at least in Jolla phones). An interesting choice.
I wonder if different types of apps are supposed to have different shapes.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8842/icons3j.png

EDIT: This is just my artwork, nothing official, but check out the video where they have exactly these variations.

willi6868 2013-05-12 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1343001)
It looks like they have changed the icons.
Now they have interesting shapes, but during those few seconds I couldn't notice if there is any particular pattern...

EDIT: OK, the pattern seems to be - an icon has (0-4) sharp corners (X) and (4-X) round corners. :)
Yea also noticed it but I think they should be more 'MeeGoish' and should have a consistently style in the whole system and not look so different to each other :rolleyes:

EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1343011)
So, this is how SailfishOS icons should look like (at least in Jolla phones). An interesting choice.
I wonder if different types of apps are supposed to have different shapes.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8842/icons3j.png
Where did u get it from? Or did u make it by yourself? :D

Edit2:
They should choose the style of the last two icons but round the corners off :)

nodevel 2013-05-12 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1343013)
Yea also noticed it but I think they should be more 'MeeGoish' and should have a consistently style in the whole system and not look so different to each other :rolleyes:

EDIT:


Where did u get it from? Or did u make it by yourself? :D

Edit2:
They should choose the style of the last two icons but round the corners off :)
I did it myself. I should have mentioned it in my post :)
However, I doubt they would change it in the last week before announcement, plus it seems they have put some thought in it.
I tried searching for some official icon guidelines, but didn't find anything.

The last two icons resemble the design of Nokia 7600, Nokia 6670 and Nokia 7610 (I remember myself wanting this phone so bad, but my SX1 was better :) )

nodevel 2013-05-12 14:07
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Sorry for that many posts, but I just got another idea regarding the icons.
The third row of icons and the last two icons in the fourth row show something what is called 'teardrop design' which plays nicely with the water theme of Jolla/Sailfish. I think that it would not make much sense to just make this theme and not expand it beyond the menu icons.

My guess is we might see this theme in hardware design of the Jolla phone - probably not as radically as in the aforementioned Nokia phones, as it would steal screen space, but at least symbolically.

What do you guys think?

Morpog 2013-05-12 17:37
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I think it's a good thing to have different shapes, cause not every shape fits for every icon. For cutefox I would maybe choose this shape.

http://abload.de/img/cutefox-sailfish-prot65bcv.png

aironeous 2013-05-12 18:01
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OK we have a real cross platform browser alternative to flash now.

From: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05...announce_orbx/
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Mozilla and Los Angeles, California–based graphics software company Otoy have jointly announced ORBX.js, a new JavaScript library which the companies say can deliver full 1080p, 60fps digital video in a browser window using only web standards–based technologies.

"It is a remarkable achievement to see a high performance video codec rivaling H.264 that runs entirely in the browser," Mozilla director of engineering Vlad Vukicevic said in a canned statement.

The library is said to work on any modern browser, including those running on mobile devices – provided, that is, they offer "fast JavaScript" and support WebGL. Those criteria are likely to exclude many built-in smartphone browsers, but recent builds of such downloadable mobile browsers as Google Chrome, Firefox, and Opera should fill the bill."
--


So IMO if Sailfish phones use this and the web starts getting on board with this then I can ditch my flash requirement. Also if you read the article it can be used for virtualization too.

Video http://allthingsd.com/20120530/otoy-...-to-the-cloud/ <---- oops that's a year old

Native versus Otoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88bK4O0aPnU

Techcrunch phone and tablet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3NKhfjKU0

Recent with Nvidia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRdSxZtUpFk

120fps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iWi9aywkPI

Website http://render.otoy.com/

Download demo for Winblows Linux or Mac http://render.otoy.com/downloads.php

If you grab your N9, get on wifi, use firefox and go to http://render.otoy.com/gallery.php and pick any of the non video items the pictures look really good.
The video however, though high resolution is very slow to load and plays choppy. I'm guessing because they don't have enough rendering power yet, they are probably getting overwhelmed and maybe the choppy playing has something to do with the N9 as it plays beautifully on my 64 bit linux desktop in firefox.

So testing with

N9 = works only with firefox browser. Opera, qmlbrowser, stock browser, UC browser does not work.
Video plays choppy but high resolution, pictures look very good.

My desktop - running plasma DE on mex from http://linux.exton.net/ on a 64bit 6 core amd 3.2ghz and nvidia gtx460 with latest 319 drivers in firefox results = looks very good.
Video still loads slowly I think they are underpowered right now.

Dell d630 running kubuntu 13.04 and windows 7 using firefox videos and pictures looked very good but download is super slow. They need more of them 33,000 dollar nvidia towers.

I'm going to ask some HTC one owners over at the XDA forums to try it out and see how it plays on that device.

Morpog 2013-05-12 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1343051)
I think it's a good thing to have different shapes, cause not every shape fits for every icon. For cutefox I would maybe choose this shape.

http://abload.de/img/cutefox-sailfish-prot65bcv.png


Or rearranged like that

http://abload.de/img/cutefox-sailfish-prot7al7k.png


or like that

http://abload.de/img/cutefox-sailfish-protmhl85.png

nokiabot 2013-05-12 18:24
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Mozillas innovation seems promising .
Another one on board

shmerl 2013-05-12 18:55
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I don't think there should be any enforced style for icons.

gerbick 2013-05-12 18:55
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Flash is way more than just video.

shmerl 2013-05-12 18:58
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Flash is on its way to the grave so forget about it. For video we have video tag. JavaScript decoding is needed only as a fallback for crippled browsers. I'd like to see a decent VP8 decoder in JavaScript, but for mobile it's too bad though. Performance will be too inferior, since hardware decoding will always be faster.

sillieidiot 2013-05-12 19:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1342901)
So now we are arguing about whether or not having android apps is good for sailfish.
Well I can tell you that there are quite a few apps I need that are not on my N9, but they are on android.

Bankofamerica app would be great because right now it takes me more than 5 minutes to log on and find my balance using firefox.
Firefox is my only option because it has flash and many of the interactive elements of websites use flash and I can't sit there and run around making a list of all the websites that do and don't use flash I just need it to work. If someone is asking me if I can afford something I would very very much want to have a BofA app so I can answer in less than 2 minutes not almost 10 minutes like it is now using FF on my N9.
<SNIP>
why don't you just change your UA to IOS? then go to BofA? that's what I do, way faster than firefox. i just use that for most sites nowadays, since pretty much everything is optimized for it. it does kick you to the mobile site a lot though too. and if you click on a youtube link, it works in our video player. it's just other flash items don't work.

but i agree, we totally need flash. and a faster browser

gerbick 2013-05-12 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343066)
Flash is on its way to the grave so forget about it. For video we have video tag. JavaScript decoding is needed only as a fallback for crippled browsers. I'd like to see a decent VP8 decoder in JavaScript, but for mobile it's too bad though. Performance will too inferior, since hardware decoding will always be faster.
Be that as it may (re: Flash on the way to the grave), enjoy that video tag when DRM steps deeply into HTML5. It'll happen whether you like it or not for the most part. VP8 does actually have a chance to avoid this though - the recent patents (submarine or not) wins have pushed MPEG-LA to the side for now.

And my statement still stands despite what you've stated. Flash is much more than just video. Most Linux lovers/users refuse to see beyond that; can't blame them though.

Either way, HTML5's canvas is not an answer or replacement. jQuery and JavaScript has become what HTML5 cannot deliver. And this ORBX.js announcement further seals that as a fact.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sillieidiot (Post 1343069)
but i agree, we totally need flash. and a faster browser
Actually, we don't need Flash. We need something that works well. HTML5 and JS ain't there fully yet. Not bit for bit.

But it's actually getting there. Just not fast enough for me.

Morpog 2013-05-12 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343064)
I don't think there should be any enforced style for icons.
I don't think it will be. Just like in harmattan. In harmattan almost every developer followed the icon guidelines (more or less), which is/was a good thing, as it adds consistency.

On sailfish it seems to be even better when you want to follow icon guidelines, as you can choose between 9 different shapes instead of just one.

Morpog 2013-05-12 22:01
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http://abload.de/img/jolladay79huja.png

aironeous 2013-05-13 00:08
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If you're thinking of getting the GS4 or the HTC One and putting sailfish on it, here is your side by side comparison review.
http://youtu.be/QATGs4kzfl4
It's a full hour with lots of hands in the camera but it is thorough.

jalyst 2013-05-13 05:59
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So according to this @25.18, it sounds like they're back-peddling on a official launch for 20/05?
http://v.qq.com/page/v/a/8/v0012qi03a8.html

Damn this is nice*, Android hw is so far ahead nowadays that I find it really hard to see how Sailfish is ever going to attract the masses :-/
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/13/s...ed-waterproof/
I mean we still have only rumours of one other OEM being involved in the Alliance, I hope Jolla's device is a catalyst for many more jumping on in the next 18mth+.

*Would prefer slightly higher res. for a screen that large though, especially for an OLED-based screen

mikecomputing 2013-05-13 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1343066)
Flash is on its way to the grave so forget about it. For video we have video tag. JavaScript decoding is needed only as a fallback for crippled browsers. I'd like to see a decent VP8 decoder in JavaScript, but for mobile it's too bad though. Performance will be too inferior, since hardware decoding will always be faster.
About HTML5 Videotags. If you think that means, "peace love and understanding" you're wrong.

It is still a mess with the different videocodecs fomats and DRM in similar nightmare.

Thats why most site still uses flashvideo.

mikecomputing 2013-05-13 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1343145)
So according to this @25.18, it sounds like they're back-peddling on a official launch for 20/05?
http://v.qq.com/page/v/a/8/v0012qi03a8.html
hmmm... but have they ever SAID 20th?

willi6868 2013-05-13 12:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1343219)
hmmm... but have they ever SAID 20th?
YES via Facebook...

And they also said SailfisOS will work on N9.. :D

tissot 2013-05-13 12:50
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Jolla has been sending invites to the press. May 20 it is then.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/05/13/j...-may-20-event/

willi6868 2013-05-13 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1343226)
Jolla has been sending invites to the press. May 20 it is then.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/05/13/j...-may-20-event/
Just wanted to share this : http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/13/jolla-love-day/ :D

Quote:
There’s also a cryptic graphic in the corner, noting “I am the other half”.
What do you think what this means?! :rolleyes:

mikecomputing 2013-05-13 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1343227)
Damn just should post that link :D


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