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tubbycricket 2007-10-16 09:30
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 82621)
There will always be someone who buys the current device a few weeks before it's replaced by the latest and greatest - unfortunately that person is you tubbycricket and I think you're just p1ssed that you fall into that category, it happens to us all at least once.

Without a doubt, your N800 will be supported for the next two major OS releases (Maemo 4 and Maemo 5, Chinook and Diablo, OS 2008 and OS 2009) and you will be able to take advantage of most if not all of the future planned services and software.

While I'm a little surprised the N800 is being superceeded within 12 months, concrete assurances have been given that it will receive continued support and I fully expect the life cycle for future Nokia Internet Tablets to reduce as competition increases and more inovative devices appear from other manufacturers. Virtually every consumer electronics device receives a 1 year refresh, computing devices even more quickly than that. The lifespan of the Nokia Tablets is not unreasonable as they will receive continued support.

If you're not happy with the N800 because it's been (or is about to be) superceeded (with what nobody knows!) perhaps the N800 wasn't the right device for you in the first place? :)
I like the N800, it serves my purposes well and I thought it had a lot of potential. But who wants an old and decrepit less than year old device, when they can venture out into the wild again with a new device with the same promises as the previous two. I'm just sad that when the new device comes out, the N800 will just seen as another experiment, and not a real consumer device, which I thought it would turn out to be.

TA-t3 2007-10-16 09:51
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
Oh come on. Nokia _did_ screw up with the 770->N800 transition, but there's no real reason they need to repeat that mistake. As I, and others, pointed out at the time, Palm managed to come out with new devices year after year and _all_ the old devices could still be used with 99.9% of the new software that came out (the exception was arm-specific software like e.g. TomTom navigatior, which would work only on certain PalmOS version 5 devices. In fact the rest (the 99.9%) still continues to run on _both_ m68k-based as well as arm-based devices, how about that for a platform change?)

Palm used to churn out a couple of new models every year, sometimes twice a year. Definitely at a higher rate than Nokia so far. There are still between 20,000 and 30,000 applications available for devices several (not to say _many_) years old.

Nokia is (because of the open nature of the software) in an even better position to do this right. After the 770->N800 mini-fiasco they stated that they will. If they follow up on that promise then there's no real reason why they couldn't in principle come out with new models all the time, without screwing the user base.

What I'm saying is, let's wait for the new device and see what happens. Only then should we cast judgement.

tubbycricket 2007-10-16 09:57
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 82631)
Oh come on. Nokia _did_ screw up with the 770->N800 transition, but there's no real reason they need to repeat that mistake. As I, and others, pointed out at the time, Palm managed to come out with new devices year after year and _all_ the old devices could still be used with 99.9% of the new software that came out (the exception was arm-specific software like e.g. TomTom navigatior, which would work only on certain PalmOS version 5 devices. In fact the rest (the 99.9%) still continues to run on _both_ m68k-based as well as arm-based devices, how about that for a platform change?)

Palm used to churn out a couple of new models every year, sometimes twice a year. Definitely at a higher rate than Nokia so far. There are still between 20,000 and 30,000 applications available for devices several (not to say _many_) years old.

Nokia is (because of the open nature of the software) in an even better position to do this right. After the 770->N800 mini-fiasco they stated that they will. If they follow up on that promise then there's no real reason why they couldn't in principle come out with new models all the time, without screwing the user base.

What I'm saying is, let's wait for the new device and see what happens. Only then should we cast judgement.
Having a Treo 650 enables me to understand your position very clearly. But the Palm products were very successful and mainstream as well, even non-professionals can be seen carrying Treos and such. Only time will tell if Nokia can introduce IT to the masses with new products without alienating their initial consumer base. I don't have blind faith, so I will wait and see if this IT stuff will take off or not. Still stinks that the N800 is being relegated this soon.

bergie 2007-10-16 10:23
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
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Originally Posted by tubbycricket (Post 82633)
Still stinks that the N800 is being relegated this soon.
Come on, with the recent price drops the N800 is more attractive than ever.

If and when a new maemo-based tablet ships this will mean that consumers can choose between two devices running exactly the same software: a cheaper one and a more expensive one with some additional hardware capabilities.

Tuxedosteve 2007-10-16 10:30
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
I know quite a few people who've been buying N770s simply because they're so cheap.

TA-t3 2007-10-16 10:46
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
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Originally Posted by tubbycricket (Post 82633)
[...] Still stinks that the N800 is being relegated this soon.
If it's left to rot, yes. Doesn't have to be that way - what if we started to think "Oh no, CF Martin came out with a new guitar model already, and I've just put my savings into this brand new D28! Outdated already!". It's not exactly the same (most of those guitars don't run any software, for example..) but it's still a valid analogy - Nokia could in principle put out a couple dozen devices, each with a combination of features so that you could just look up your preferred combination in a matrix and select the right device for you. (That would be an improvement of the current phone situation, where it's more like "If you want bluetooth and 3G then you have to take the camera and MP3 player too.")

Rebski 2007-10-16 10:57
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
My issue with the N800 lies in its unfulfilled software potential. If the N810 acts as a catalyst to make that potential available then I can have no problem with it. However if it is denied to the N800 then I shall be justifiably fuming. But we have been promised that this will not happen.

As for hardware differences, if they provide overwhelming functionality then I shall have to get one and take the second hand eBay hit on my N800. If I can manage without it then I get even more use from what I have. So, either way, this is a win win situation.

Besides, I knew when I bought the N800 that I was an early adopter of a whole new form factor so I walked into this with my eyes open, resigned to suffer the fate of all early adopters. I wanted what the N800 promised last May and not next December. As to whether the N800 has delivered on its promises is another story.

Personally, my interest in what Nokia does is tempered by anticipation of MID ‘s from the likes of BenQ and Elektrobit. The present situation is very much wait and see. What Nokia announces tomorrow is only the first of many such events over the coming months. These are exciting times.

speculatrix 2007-10-16 11:35
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
One reason for buying a device which is linux based is precisely to avoid the problems of vendor obsolescence. For example, Sony dumped the clie line of palm compatibles, causing the more specialist software to dry up, and Sony also closed down various support and developer sites.

At least with the linux based devices like the Zauruses and Nokias it is possible to keep it up to date yourself (at least where the applications don't need a specific bit of hardware). For example, there are still people running antique Zaurus 5xxx devices with cutting edge distros like Angstrom.

Now, that's not to say I think Nokia are particularly good at supporting devices which aren't current - they are driven far too much by marketing and sales and seem to think that they sell appliances whose purpose is frozen at the point of sale, not computers whose use grows with their customers, and therefore Nokia have tended to fix and enhance only devices which are currently in the retail channel, rather than legacy products.

So, I'd rather have an obsolete Linux device (zaurus, nokia etc) than an obsolete windows mobile device!

Texrat 2007-10-16 12:48
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
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Originally Posted by tubbycricket (Post 82633)
Having a Treo 650 enables me to understand your position very clearly. But the Palm products were very successful and mainstream as well, even non-professionals can be seen carrying Treos and such. Only time will tell if Nokia can introduce IT to the masses with new products without alienating their initial consumer base. I don't have blind faith, so I will wait and see if this IT stuff will take off or not. Still stinks that the N800 is being relegated this soon.
Curb your cynicism. The only thing the N800 is being relegated to is a lower price.

sondjata 2007-10-16 12:50
Re: Why no details on the N900?!?!?!
 
All I know is, I'd like the IT to be able to make cellular phone calls. I'd be mighty happy for that. Yes I like my Gizmo, but increasingly I'm finding that my needs would be served better with a single device and the iPhone is definitely meeting those (even with its closed environment). About now the only thing keeping me off the iPhone is MaemoMapper. Seriously. If the iPhone sprouts GPS and some kind of MaemoMapper capabilities, I'm gone.

I'm waiting for the next IT and in the meantime I'm thinking of replacing my old phone with a iPhone knock off from China.


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